Wow LOL
Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players
there
is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
Quote: gary55I love the NAME of THIS forum.
Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players
there
is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
I LOL at your post
Quote: gary55I love the NAME of THIS forum.
Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players
there
is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
Are you sure you posted this in the right forum?
Also, what about VP over 100% return, promos, giveaways, real Omaha or 7 stud poker...
Quote: gary55I love the NAME of THIS forum.
Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players
there
is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
PLEASE!!!!!! Convince casinos of this!!!!!
Quote: gary55Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players there is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
This has been proven time and time again to be an untrue statement in this very forum. There are people here (and some formerly here) that make a living getting the edge on machines. No, they will not tell you all of their plays. Just because the aren't willing to share "everything" does not mean that they don't get an edge...they just want to keep being able to get that edge.
Craps with 100x odds is 0.06 against the player, throw in some tips and some booze you can make it 1 percent against him.
A few slot machines seem to be temptingly positive at times, a few VP games are technically positive and the casinos try to chase off the greedy hogs.
Remember one thing: when the Gaming Board ordered the defunct casino to exhaust its Jackpot Account by radically altering the payout on some slots in the bar/restaurant a great many "sharpie gamblers" flocked to the place day and night often playing in teams, but most of the prizes were won by locals who worked in law offices near the court house and just popped in for their regular lunch, idly playing the VP machines just waiting for the food to be delivered. The sharpies knew about 'the edge', the regulars just went there for their lunches and won most of the prizes, putting the sharpies to shame.
Quote: gary55I love the NAME of THIS forum.
Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players
there
is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
Damnit you know the secret!
Quote: gary55I love the NAME of THIS forum.
Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players
there
is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
I'm ahead $10k over the last 12 months playing single line quarter video poker. I must just be real lucky.
Maybe it would help if you knew that this forum isn't about gambling with an edge, but Gambling With An Edge.Quote: gary55I love the NAME of THIS forum.
Outside of REAL Texas Hold Em vs other people and maybe EXCEPTIONAL Black Jack Players there is NO SUCH Thing as gambling with Edge.
IE: Capitalized, it's the name of a radio / podcast that the Wizard used to co-host., and THAT'S what we're talking about.
http://www.gamblingwithanedge.com
Quote: DJTeddyBearMaybe it would help if you knew that this forum isn't about gambling with an edge, but Gambling With An Edge.
IE: Capitalized, it's the name of a radio / podcast that the Wizard used to co-host., and THAT'S what we're talking about.
http://www.gamblingwithanedge.com
I am glad that is what you are talking about because that is different then.
This thread had several BS retorts.....guys consistently beating slot machines etc etc yea yea yea
About the only guy that made sense was the guy who pointed out I forgot to include Ohama and Stud poker
but i thought that I had implied that when i said in games vs other people rather then against the house.
I STAND BY MY OP.
A Great Video Poker Player and I mean a Great One MIGHT be able to play to a stand off and earn
comps. If you want to look at that as a win ummmmmm maybe.
All of the casino games where you play against the casino are designed with an edge for the house. There is nothing wrong with this, after all casinos are businesses not Non profit organization.
Is it possible to beat the casino constantly in such games? Only if you find a bug or glitch in the game/game design. And no one who have such knowledge will go to brag about it in the forums. Also he cant win way too much - the casinos will notice and fix the bug.
Quote: lotteryguyI second the OP.
All of the casino games where you play against the casino are designed with an edge for the house. There is nothing wrong with this, after all casinos are businesses not Non profit organization.
Is it possible to beat the casino constantly in such games? Only if you find a bug or glitch in the game/game design. And no one who have such knowledge will go to brag about it in the forums. Also he cant win way too much - the casinos will notice and fix the bug.
You keep thinking that, it's better for the rest of us.
Quote: GWAEYou keep thinking that, it's better for the rest of us.
Its Just AMAZING that so many of you are takeing them to the cleaners yet they are still in
business and their buildings are often lavish.
Professional roulette, let it ride and craps players ? There's a Bunch of them you bet ya.
Ummm lets see what part of my OP didnt you get ?
Real Poker...Exceptional and I mean Exceptional Black Jack Players Period.
I Might Maybe Maybe Include a GREAT video Poker player playing to a stand off
and getting comped stuff but the later won't make any real money per se.
Quote: RigondeauxThis forum is very easily trolled.
You have to humor these people...sometimes.
Lots of people believe the Earth is flat too, doesn't make them correct.Quote: gary55I STAND BY MY OP.
If you want to educate yourself you should consider how many casino games have an RTP that varies from one wager to the next (for any of a wide variety of reasons).
what is rpt ? And if u are calling no edge on the odds on the pass line in craps true edge i rest my caseQuote: MathExtremistLots of people believe the Earth is flat too, doesn't make them correct.
If you want to educate yourself you should consider how many casino games have an RTP that varies from one wager to the next (for any of a wide variety of reasons).
I've never been into advantage play at all, and even I can recognize RTP as "return to player". If you can't figure that one out, I don't think you should be commenting on the possibility of advantage plays.Quote: gary55what is rpt ?
And more pertinently, why nobody else should pay any heed to those comments. Just like someone who thinks large metal objects can't fly even though they've never heard of lift.Quote: DocI've never been into advantage play at all, and even I can recognize RTP as "return to player". If you can't figure that one out, I don't think you should be commenting on the possibility of advantage plays.
I can't believe you guys fell for this. Just agree with the OP and move on. You are all getting kobolded.
I think that's too charitable. If he doesn't know what RTP is, why do you think he'd know what holecarding is?Quote: IbeatyouracesIn defense of gary, I truly think he's taking about beating games straight up without some kind of angle, i.e. holecarding.
Quote: MathExtremistI think that's too charitable. If he doesn't know what RTP is, why do you think he'd know what holecarding is?
That's the point. He doesn't know about ANY angles.
Better than getting beholdered, I suppose.Quote: AxelWolfYou are all getting kobolded.
it is more commonly called roiQuote: DocI've never been into advantage play at all, and even I can recognize RTP as "return to player". If you can't figure that one out, I don't think you should be commenting on the possibility of advantage plays.
it is more commonly called roiQuote: DocI've never been into advantage play at all, and even I can recognize RTP as "return to player". If you can't figure that one out, I don't think you should be commenting on the possibility of advantage plays.
it is more commonly called roiQuote: DocI've never been into advantage play at all, and even I can recognize RTP as "return to player". If you can't figure that one out, I don't think you should be commenting on the possibility of advantage plays.
Le roi est mort, vive le roi!Quote: gary55it is more commonly called roi
The trolling is just absurd lately
Sometimes people come in not realizing how proper this place is. Jumping on one's case the minute they enter the door is only going to ensure it's just y'all talking to each other all the time. In many of the cases, sure, a troll is a troll. But not few members here had a rocky start and went on to become mainstays. It's worth what little hassle it is to weather what silly posts there are to find those quality posters.
You seem to be tolerated, at times noted by Mods as a 'go to guy'. Why do you spend so much effort denigrating new posters? I would think you had your hands full, all the positive plays, all over the country. Are YOU the secret Mod? Just 2F...Quote: WizardofnothingReally think the ban hammer needs to come quicker for trolls or maybe make the forum harder to sign up for. Or let's go to a private section
The trolling is just absurd lately
I am busy- so far this year I flew over 52k miles and drove another 18k. However some of play plays require sitting and tapping the spin button on a machine this I can surf the forum - or I am flying and in the air with wifi- or researching on the Internet/ very little percentage wise of my time is ACTUALLY running the play- most of the time it's not even myself playing it
Good answer, I know what you meant to write, I think.Quote: WizardofnothingBecause I like people that contribute not people that spew nonsense or theories about the world being flat
I am busy- so far this year I flew over 52k miles and drove another 18k. However some of play plays require sitting and tapping the spin button on a machine this I can surf the forum - or I am flying and in the air with wifi- or researching on the Internet/ very little percentage wise of my time is ACTUALLY running the play- most of the time it's not even myself playing it
You like positive contribution, that is to be commended.
But you seem overly intent in crtisizing others, particularly new posters that maybe haven't figured out the 'rules of the road' on this highway. I have been guilty, multiple times, of doing the same.
I do not question your mileage, or your ability to figure out a positive EV play, pls do not misunderstand. I just wonder, have wondered many times, why you are one of the 1st in line to question the viability of some new poster here on the forums. I did that, I tried to quit that, I am not a moderator.
Best of, I don't want to say Luck, Best of good fortunes to you in your endeavors.
Yes, that is what I wanted to say.
I state that its virtually impossiable to gain edge in casino games (save 2 or 3 games) without
"cheating" and that is trolling huh ?
IF a complete newbie read your posts they would come away with the implied impression
that every 4th or 5th guy in a casino is beating the house. You can't write this stuff.
And a lot of it is casino specific plays that are useless to you.
Quote: gary55wow you guys are something else.
I state that its virtually impossiable to gain edge in casino games (save 2 or 3 games) without
"cheating" and that is trolling huh ?
IF a complete newbie read your posts they would come away with the implied impression
that every 4th or 5th guy in a casino is beating the house. You can't write this stuff.
Yet, you are absolutely 100% wrong. Every game (that I can think of) in a casino is beatable, under proper conditions. I'm not sure why someone would have the implied impression we're saying that 20-25% of people in a casino would be beating the house....or anything like that at all.
It's not like an AP walks into a casino and just starts playing because he knows he's going to beat this machine. There's something behind it. I can't walk into every casino in Las Vegas and expect to find something beatable at every single one (at least, something worth my time). It takes time and research, testing, figuring out how everything works. Usually there aren't proper conditions to play. AFAIK, aside from bonus hustling (like UX or a progressive), FPDW or other slightly +EV low denom games, or blackjack.....you can't just walk into some random ol' casino with the expectation to find something playable.
I think you've added a little extra into what you've actually read. I don't remember reading any AP on here talking about living the high life making a whole bunch of money.
Saying everyone in here is an ap is like making a statement in a strip club that there are a lot of strippers- although not everyone in the club is - there is going to be a higher concentration of them
Just my 2c.
His name is Robert Paulson.Quote: FaceHis name is Robert Paulson.
(I need to watch this movie again, soon)
Quote: gary55wow you guys are something else.
I state that its virtually impossiable to gain edge in casino games (save 2 or 3 games) without
"cheating" and that is trolling huh ?
IF a complete newbie read your posts they would come away with the implied impression
that every 4th or 5th guy in a casino is beating the house. You can't write this stuff.
No, more like every 5th guy on this forum is beating the house. No one said it is easy to beat the house, but merely that it is possible to on many games under the right circumstances.
It raises a good question, which is "what are the games that actually are unbeatable via legal methods (that is, without cheating)?" I think you have to exclude marketing promos because any casino game is beatable if someone in marketing gives back more than you'd expect to lose.Quote: bigfoot66No, more like every 5th guy on this forum is beating the house. No one said it is easy to beat the house, but merely that it is possible to on many games under the right circumstances.
For example, assuming you're not using polarized or see-through Pai Gow tiles (both of which happened), isn't Pai Gow unbeatable?
Quote: MathExtremist..For example, assuming you're not using polarized or see-through Pai Gow tiles (both of which happened), isn't Pai Gow unbeatable?
If it is, I'm most certain it won't be posted publicly anywhere.
Well even if it were, I don't know that it would be the best investment to get good at beating a game that only has a dozen or so tables in the country, but stranger things have happened. Let's suppose Pai Gow is unbeatable under circumstances that you are reasonably likely to find in a casino without you actually causing those circumstances. What other games are unbeatable under the same criteria? For example, if you consider that a flashing 3CP dealer is a reasonably likely circumstance, 3CP doesn't go on the list...Quote: IbeatyouracesIf it is, I'm most certain it won't be posted publicly anywhere.
Quote: MathExtremist
For example, assuming you're not using polarized or see-through Pai Gow tiles (both of which happened), isn't Pai Gow unbeatable?
I think in the California casinos the house never banks at Pai Gow tiles. The bank just passes around between players. So maybe if you're just better at tiles than everyone else in a non-casino banked game it's beatable?? The house still takes a cut of the winnings, so I don't know... just spitballin'....
