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MrV
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June 25th, 2021 at 6:49:45 PM permalink
I wonder whether the stickiness that happens to dice when certain sanitizers are used by the crew to clean them can lead to an advantage play for dice setters?

While I'm not into dice setting myself I've read a lot about it and one of the goals is to try and grip and roll dem bones so they basically mirror each other when flying through the air.

Seems to me that a sticky surface would allow a dice setter to squeeze the dice together while tossing them, keeping then together til they hit the felt.

Dunno.
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June 25th, 2021 at 7:41:56 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I wonder whether the stickiness that happens to dice when certain sanitizers are used by the crew to clean them can lead to an advantage play for dice setters?

While I'm not into dice setting myself I've read a lot about it and one of the goals is to try and grip and roll dem bones so they basically mirror each other when flying through the air.

Seems to me that a sticky surface would allow a dice setter to squeeze the dice together while tossing them, keeping then together til they hit the felt.

Dunno.



sounds logical imo - i hate using anything but the purell brand because of that specific thing

these companies are placing oils into the the sanitizer to make it different and gives me a residule sticky feeling after
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June 25th, 2021 at 8:48:47 PM permalink
If the dice remained stuck at the end, would it be a valid roll ?
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AlanMendelson
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June 25th, 2021 at 11:36:04 PM permalink
At Red Rock before Covid a player allegedly applied a sticky substance to dice before throwing so the dice would land showing hard 10.

The sticky substance was discovered when the stickman gathered the dice AFTER the roll.

During the roll... dice hitting the table and wall... the sticky substance was not strong enough to keep the dice together.

Only when the dice were placed face to face did the sticky substance work.

You'd need super glue for this scam and a casino that couldn't separate the dice would call no roll.

At Red Rock the stickman must retrieve and turn at least one die after each roll to check for sticky substances.
onebok
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June 27th, 2021 at 10:29:38 AM permalink
Whatever effect the sanitizer had would be for one (the next) roll. The dice would have to land perfectly level for the result to be
non-random, assuming the dice weren't separated when reacting off of the back wall or much earlier upon initial collision with
the tabletop.
Nowhere near a high advantage play/roll.
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July 14th, 2021 at 8:14:29 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I wonder whether the stickiness that happens to dice when certain sanitizers are used by the crew to clean them can lead to an advantage play for dice setters?

While I'm not into dice setting myself I've read a lot about it and one of the goals is to try and grip and roll dem bones so they basically mirror each other when flying through the air.

Seems to me that a sticky surface would allow a dice setter to squeeze the dice together while tossing them, keeping then together til they hit the felt.

Dunno.



And I wonder if someone, with intent, answered with enough information, if you could be found guilty of sadistically giving rise to someone committing a felony in answering your question.

https://www.google.com/search?q=NRS+465.085+instructing
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ChallengedMilly
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August 17th, 2021 at 6:09:10 PM permalink
Use one of those super hydrophobic fluid/gels on the dice so that a seven becomes say, statistically 1 in 40 rolls instead of the current average of 8. Place on all numbers and whatever weird side bets that maximize profit.

It's have to be insanely quick drying though, 30 seconds or less. Depends on how much you can risk getting yelled at for not rolling fast enough.

Realistically you'd have to perfect this technique on a home game.
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August 18th, 2021 at 12:54:48 AM permalink
It's hard to bet on people who are gonna consistently throw horn numbers unless you bet horn bets too.
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August 19th, 2021 at 1:18:57 AM permalink
True. But If they are consistently throwing horn numbers get those throwers on a crapless craps table. The payout for buying the 2 and 12 have less than a 2% house edge, if itís a vig thatís only paid on wins.
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September 14th, 2021 at 8:28:57 PM permalink
Playing on one of the electronic tables this week while staying at the casino, and ended up hitting 33 non-7 numbers in a row with multiple won points. I noticed that the dealer didn't say anything to me if I threw short and due to how weirdly sticky the table was, I could somewhat regularly toss in such a way that one dice tumbled a lot but the other dice pretty much fell flat. Obviously he should have been warning me + forcing me to toss against the wall, but it was super early in the morning and I'm betting pretty low stakes. Still, I could see an actual dice setter with a perfected toss making some serious money at a weak dealer's expense at random weird times during the day on a specific weirdly sticky table.

Interesting enough I also went on some 11-13ers throughout the day, and witnessed a few including one dice setter that consistently rolled 20-25 before 7ing out. He was using 5-3 set and it seemed to be working, tossing from the middle of the table to this right.

As we know exploiting weak dealers in card games does in fact work to create advantages, so it wouldn't shock me with the right conditions it can be done even in craps.
AlanMendelson
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September 14th, 2021 at 11:30:15 PM permalink
Somewhere I read that the electronic tables do have some sort of sticky surface that keeps the dice from bouncing off.
onebok
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September 15th, 2021 at 10:51:15 AM permalink
The table I've played on had areas near seams where a thin plastic film was unsticking from the surface it was adhered. Years ago, I'd
used acrylic sheets of 5/32nd inch thickness which had a very thin plastic film that protected it from scratches and which rolled up just
like the film on this craps table.
My guess is that this film acts somewhat like a cushion but quite different in physical characteristics from that provided by fabrics like
felt and microfiber. For example, it may have a tendency towards friction or "stickiness" when more of the flat surface of a die contacts
this film.
The thick acrylic base of the table surface itself may influence the bounce characteristics of dice (think of the difference in physical
properties between a 1/2 inch thick fir-plywood and fabric versus a 1/2 inch of plastic and plastic.)

In practical terms, by lessening the rebound of the dice in somewhat peculiar ways, a die will stop dead in its tracks more often than
on wood-with-fabric surfaces. That may explain why the dealers may make fewer demands to hit the back wall than usual.
AlanMendelson
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September 15th, 2021 at 10:56:28 AM permalink
I havent played at the Rampart casino in a couple of years but their tables were so long and they were covered with a burlap-like fabric that grabbed the corners of the dice so it was almost impossible to get to the back wall. The dealers there said nothing about hitting the wall.
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