Aiming 1-3 inches from the BW?
Quote: WizardI just hope to keep the dice on the table. I think my success rate is at least 90%.
I once kept the dice on the table 18 times in a row.
Quote: Dyvan13So fellow dice experimenters, how far from the back wall do you aim? In my opinion, the best way to toss is to aim right in front of the bumper so the dice have a chance to bounce upward and hit the wall below the pyramids and hopefully settle down. There is just too much randomness involved when the dice land 6+ inches from the wall and tumble all over the place.
I view dice setting "for entertainment only". Still, why do it without trying to succeed?
Personally I think there are 3 things that must occur for me to believe there is any chance at all to get "influence"
*hitting below the pyramids with low kinetic energy; to have them "die" after landing being best
*finding a good table, in a good position, as far as size and bounciness. A long table shooting from the end of it? No chance.
*not throwing with the dice in contact with each other when they land
I wonder about this last point. I never have and never will take a dice control course, but from what I can tell the techniques taught have the dice together in the grip. This causes them to "explode" when they land almost every time it seems. A grip without the dice being in contact, using one hand of course? I can't do it and maintain a believable degree of control. I think realizing this has me pretty cooled off on the whole thing, seldom do it anymore.
Quote: odiousgambitI view dice setting "for entertainment only". Still, why do it without trying to succeed?
Spot on! I figure giving it a try can't make things worse and who knows, maybe the improbable happens and pigs will learn to fly and hell will freeze over.
As to the OP's question, I try to get within 2" on the wall. I rarely succeed but when I do the dice never bounce back more than a couple of inches. My thinking is that the table structure attaching the playing surface to the wall results in a dead zone that absorbs most of the kinetic energy. The angle of impact doesn't seem to matter much.
Quote:*not throwing with the dice in contact with each other when they land
I haven't thought about that before. Once I master getting them to consistently hit in the dead zone (ha!) maybe I'll try some variations in that regard.
Thank you.
Quote: GWAEI don't believe in dice setting at all but for some reason I set my dice to hard eight every throw. I don't line up the sides just the top. Unless there are idiots around me then I have 7 on top.
I don't believe in it either, but I do like to line up the dice to show a pair every time...doesn't matter which pair...why do I do it as a Non-DI believer, because like squeezing cards in PGP or Baccarat, it adds to the fun of the game.
That's what we want you to think.Quote: GlenGDoesn't physics win 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time?.....Dice setting, so silly
Quote: WatchMeWinHey , Im all about rhythm and flow, consistency, and energy ... with conviction and lots of spin baby!
You talkin' "dicks" or "dice?"
Either way, players hit the back wall.
'Successful' dice setters are simply lucky.
Well done sir, well done. lolQuote: MrV...Either way, players hit the back wall.
Quote: Dyvan13So fellow dice experimenters, how far from the back wall do you aim? In my opinion, the best way to toss is to aim right in front of the bumper so the dice have a chance to bounce upward and hit the wall below the pyramids and hopefully settle down. There is just too much randomness involved when the dice land 6+ inches from the wall and tumble all over the place.
2-3" from the back wall will give you nothing positive, because when the dice hit that wall they will randomly fly anywhere.
Concentrate on the COME area around the end of the word, just before the DP line and the dice will bounce and land near the back wall. keep dice tightly together will most likely achieve the best results.
Quote: Laymedown
Concentrate on the COME area around the end of the word, just before the DP line and the dice will bounce and land near the back wall.
Thats an invalid roll then..dice have to hit the back wall every time.
Quote: GlenGThats an invalid roll then..dice have to hit the back wall every time.
I'm going to give laymedown some leeway here. I have seen many rolls that either barely hit the back wall or just abutted it with not a peep from anyone at the table. I would say any roll that is deemed ok by the staff is ok. If the dealers disallow it then it was not ok. If there is a challenge at an actual casino I will count every roll that the staff deems a legal roll, even if I notice it does not hit the back wall.
Quote: SOOPOOIf there is a challenge at an actual casino I will count every roll that the staff deems a legal roll, even if I notice it does not hit the back wall.
Thanks. That is as it should be. I don't want to anybody debating whether a roll counted or not. The dealers shall be the judge. Any error in their judgment can cut both ways.
Quote: GlenGHopefully that casino has a good crew then.
You must work in Casino Montreal, well known for being sticklers for this crap. But if not, let us know where, so we can steer clear of your casino.
The table, nap, felt, micro can all effect the bounce including the dead cat bounce. Don’t need the hassle of an anal retentive stick or box in this area.
Quote: DeMangoYou must work in Casino Montreal, well known for being sticklers for this crap. But if not, let us know where, so we can steer clear of your casino.
God forbid the crew is watching out for players attempting to cheat the rules of the table.
And I have never been to Montreal, actually never been to Canada at all. I do speak a little french, so one of these days. Maybe next year when the Golden Knights play the Canadians.
Quote: GlenGGod forbid the crew is watching out for players attempting to cheat the rules of the table.
You forgot the second part of my post. Not surprised. And where the mean and nasty dice crew you talk about, work.
Quote: DeMangoYou must work in Casino Montreal, well known for being sticklers for this crap. But if not, let us know where, so we can steer clear of your casino.
The table, nap, felt, micro can all effect the bounce including the dead cat bounce. Don’t need the hassle of an anal retentive stick or box in this area.
Shooting dice is like riding a bicycle. once you get the hang of balancing mastered it's all good from there. We learn to adjust just like a bike riding down a bumpy hill, or a road full of pot holes, or dirt, we also tend to adjust our speed according to red lights ahead of us, cars pulling out from driveways, etc.
We adjust under the conditions. Craps is the same way.
Just learn to get a natural feel for the dice and then the rest is easy starting with choosing your favorite dice set to discover trending numbers.
Quote: SOOPOOI'm going to give laymedown some leeway here. I have seen many rolls that either barely hit the back wall or just abutted it with not a peep from anyone at the table. I would say any roll that is deemed ok by the staff is ok. If the dealers disallow it then it was not ok. If there is a challenge at an actual casino I will count every roll that the staff deems a legal roll, even if I notice it does not hit the back wall.
In my experience, most crews will let it slide once or twice, with a warning to please try to hit the back wall sir (or ma'am). If you did it over and over again, they would absolutely take the dice from you. I've never seen it happen, because most people oblige and throw a bit harder. Usually it's not any malfeasance in play, just inexperienced or non-dexterous shooters.
Quote: LaymedownThe height from the felt to the chip tray is a good visual Probably 16" height as compared to the felt to wall, visually measure the same distance 16" and use that area as your landing area for the dice allowing them to bounce towards the wall for best results. After a while of shooting dice, you will gradually find the perfect roll.
Hello. The only thing which will improve is your ability to keep the dice on the table. These continued attempts to sell "coaching" or "training" are to most of us beyond funny. Beyond funny is sad. We all hope you continue to win but in all honesty, the prices for these seminars are offensive. Take care.
Quote: NokTangThese continued attempts to sell "coaching" or "training" are to most of us beyond funny. Beyond funny is sad. We all hope you continue to win but in all honesty, the prices for these seminars are offensive. Take care.
Reading comprehension? Who is selling what?
Quote: MrVYou talkin' "dicks" or "dice?"
Either way, players hit the back wall.
Now that was a silly question.... of course I was talking about 'dicks'. Something that is apparently on your mind a lot!
Quote: DeMangoReading comprehension? Who is selling what?
It's a set up to sell a Dice Influencing seminar. Not as sophisticated if you have your guard up as I do and hope you will. With prices around $800.usd for basically nothing, well we know who might fall victim to this.
Quote: LaymedownYeah? Who's selling what? NokTang are you paying for something that should be free?
I'm not paying you or anyone else to teach me how to throw winning numbers on a dice table in a casino with fair dice. Teach me how to slide dice or change in crooked dice and you might have something. Otherwise, it's all hype and again, very childlike attempts to convince people the naysayers are wrong and thinking positive and paying for a seminar is justified. Focus on people's gullible trends and often it sells. Here however most have been down the road and around the bend and know "dice influencing" is a mere scam attempt by those who think we will pay them to show us. Just show us. We'll bet the big money at your table, you can bet small so as not to get any "heat" or be back roomed.
You will have the best of both worlds. The rushes and thrills of playing and the money to go along with it.
You will be a craps GOD. And with that, you can take your craps career in any direction you want.
If you consider all the stuff I said, in order to keep everyone from making up BS claims all the time and wasting good members time, money and energy, members oftentimes put guys like you to the test with a challenge.
Enough with the talk, let's get rolling. Make it worth our time(put up or shut up) and prove you are not like all the other fools that came before you with the same type BS.
I'm sure one day soon I will step up my game. Right now I have a confidence issue with my wife barking down my throat when I try betting black chips on my rolls. It's just not gonna happen at this time, but I'm trying my best.
I like you guys on here, your support has really helped me step up my game to betting higher amounts with confidence.
It's a good thing to learn all aspects of a game that you intend to play more than 3-4 times per week.
I've read many interesting articles on here from all over the different threads and I absorb quite a bit of that information quick. I appreciate many members also who take time to explain even the simple stuff that i'm missing out on.
AxelWolf, That's what I meant when I said stuff about meeting other shooters at the tables. If there is enough interests, we can make a ton of cash from many casino's
Quote: LaymedownRight now I have a confidence issue with my wife barking down my throat when I try betting black chips on my rolls.
Just leave her at home. Problem solved.
Quote: LaymedownRight now I have a confidence issue with my wife barking down my throat when I try betting black chips on my rolls.
Just leave her at home. Problem solved.
Quote: Laymedownwe can make a ton of cash from many casino's
a ton of cash is going to be very hard to carry.
Home Depot is having a sale this week on wheelbarrows.
I'm just trying to be helpful.
Quote: LaymedownRight now I have a confidence issue with my wife barking down my throat when I try betting black chips on my rolls.
Quote: LaymedownShooting dice is like riding a bicycle. once you get the hang of balancing mastered it's all good from there. We learn to adjust just like a bike riding down a bumpy hill, or a road full of pot holes, or dirt, we also tend to adjust our speed according to red lights ahead of us, cars pulling out from driveways, etc. We adjust under the conditions. Craps is the same way. Just learn to get a natural feel for the dice and then the rest is easy starting with choosing your favorite dice set to discover trending numbers.
Yikes, what a pile of steaming road apples.
Quote: ontariodealerso you make nines at will but don't bet black because your wife gets mad.........see ya
I never said I make nines at will, but I do throw quite a few of them as compared to the other numbers.
ontariodealer, you met my wife this past weekend on our visit to Fallsview.
She's a conservative gambler. That's why I don't play much when she's playing.
I know I can bet at a $100/$500 level in total confidence but she is not comfortable with aggressive betting.
In the 18hr's of weekend play at the Fallsview tables (Saturday 2:am till 8am and 5pm-10pm)
I've managed to cashout $1000.00 in profits along with an additional $500 chip from Wife's profits betting conservative.
Sunday we gave back about $500 but still had a great time at that casino.
We've always had issues with aggressive betting.
If it was me, I triple bet the minimum and Jam by double pressing my wins for 3 in a row.
4/10 I'd start with 15 each and jam to 25 then to $50 collecting a $100 chip every win
5/9 I'd start with 15 and jam both 5/9 to 25 each then to $50, then to $75 collecting a $100 chip every win and press the rest.
6/8 I'd start with 15 and jam both 6/8 to $30, and continue jam to $90 collecting a $100 chip every win and press the rest.
One day i'll make it happen. Baby steps.
Quote: LaymedownI never said I make nines at will, but I do throw quite a few of them as compared to the other numbers.
ontariodealer, you met my wife this past weekend on our visit to Fallsview.
She's a conservative gambler. That's why I don't play much when she's playing.
I know I can bet at a $100/$500 level in total confidence but she is not comfortable with aggressive betting.
In the 18hr's of weekend play at the Fallsview tables (Saturday 2:am till 8am and 5pm-10pm)
I've managed to cashout $1000.00 in profits along with an additional $500 chip from Wife's profits betting conservative.
Sunday we gave back about $500 but still had a great time at that casino.
We've always had issues with aggressive betting.
If it was me, I triple bet the minimum and Jam by double pressing my wins for 3 in a row.
4/10 I'd start with 15 each and jam to 25 then to $50 collecting a $100 chip every win
5/9 I'd start with 15 and jam both 5/9 to 25 each then to $50, then to $75 collecting a $100 chip every win and press the rest.
6/8 I'd start with 15 and jam both 6/8 to $30, and continue jam to $90 collecting a $100 chip every win and press the rest.
One day i'll make it happen. Baby steps.
Conservative gambler? I thought what you were doing wasn’t gambling? If you have an advantage on the casino in the long term than there is no gambling involved.
I’m not sure if LMD will see this as I might have been blocked by him at this point lol.
Gambling is gambling yes, but when you have an opportunity to give yourself an edge, it's really not gambling.
Example: If you know you can throw nines, then it's obvious you will bet nines. $25 pays $35.
The gambling part is when you take the $10.00 and play other numbers like hard ways or props.
The proper thing to do is press press press the nines with the extra but then that's just boring.
On a math point of view vs. dice setter's point of view, simply remove one of the sevens from the dice combinations to give yourself a better understanding on how much of an edge is available to you.
Another example: An average dice setter can easily roll a trending number at least one time before a seven sometimes two or three times giving them a huge advantage of the casino.
If you run a simulation on a Dice set + Trending number + Amount of repeats vs. seven outs you will find the results to be quite amazing thus giving you a very nice edge to bet what you like in confidence.
On another note, let's just assume the edge is there 100% of the time.
How would you deal with it.
A) Would you buy in for 10k and go for the gusto
B) Bet conservative and win $200-$500/day on a low key?
Myself, I prefer to do both but know when to do choice A when the time is right. (Usually on a busy weekend preferably) It would be pretty stupid to try and break the bank on a week day.
Quote: LaymedownThe proper thing to do is press press press the nines with the extra but then that's just boring.
So boredom is why you're not a millionaire?
You just said “an average dice setter can easily roll a trending number at least one time before a seven sometimes two or three times giving them a huge advantage of the casino” your exact words. This means that if the dice setter has the long term “huge advantage of the casino” then you are not gambling. The casino never gambles since they have the house edge, they are guaranteed to win in the long run. In your scenario you have the same advantage that a casino has so you aren’t gambling. Therefore you should be betting as much as you physically can since you can’t lose in the long run.
Quote: GlenGSo boredom is why you're not a millionaire?
Maybe I am, GlenG.
Assuming I was a millionaire, What do you think I would do at the craps table?
Quote: LaymedownSo True. But keep in mind, Casinos want winners too, if casino's had 100% losers noone would gamble. I've had pit bosses tell me this.
This retort literally makes zero sense...
