nickolay411
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February 29th, 2016 at 1:44:21 PM permalink
So I'm shooting dice position SL1 at Bally's 2 nights ago when all of a sudden the pit boss makes a comment that I need to backup, that my hand is too far over upon release.

I told him I wasn't anywhere near the center line of the table. He looks at me and says "No, your hand has to stay behind this line"

He pointed at the left side of the Bounding Box that encompasses the prop bets. I make a quick stink about never hearing this rule before.

The pitboss asked me where I played that allowed me to shoot closer to the center. I said everywhere. And he said "well not here"

Anyway, a lot of players took down their odds and place bets after the fiasco. Sucks for them because I went on to shoot another 10+ throws before sevening out.

Has anyone else been told that your hand cant cross left of the prop bets. Honestly this is the first time I've heard this.

Edit: To clarify, This wasn't on my first throw as I had already made two points. He also had me back up on 2 more occasions until I was in SL2. He seemed much happier then.
wellwellwell
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February 29th, 2016 at 1:52:50 PM permalink
Common rule.
Explained to me once that it is game protection. A shooter could scoop up chips from the prop area after releasing the dice.
I see it called all the time. Especially on me.
All you can do is back up and do what they say or leave.
nickolay411
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February 29th, 2016 at 1:54:35 PM permalink
I guess I was just lucky I had never been called out before for it. Good to know. Thanks!

Edit: I didn't even think bout scooping up those prop bets! Good idea! lol
TheWolf713
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March 3rd, 2016 at 9:38:57 PM permalink
Yeah I've heard it broken down before and it's understandable... But if your hand is over the prop bets, you must be very very tight on the stick man.
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MathExtremist
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March 3rd, 2016 at 9:53:42 PM permalink
It's not just the prop bets, if your hand is in front of the stickperson during your throw then you could swipe down over the top of the stick's working stack on your way back. That'd be far harder to catch than scooping up a prop bet because whoever made it would likely notice it was gone. One chip off an odd-sized stack of 13 though...

The procedures also discourage throwing the dice above eye level for similar reasons. If everyone looks up including the boxperson, you might get away with snagging a chip from the base dealer's stacks.

Not that I recommend actually doing any of this -- it's felonious theft -- but that's one reason the dealer procedures are what they are.
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AxelWolf
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March 4th, 2016 at 8:39:22 AM permalink
Quote: nickolay411

I guess I was just lucky I had never been called out before for it. Good to know. Thanks!

Edit: I didn't even think bout scooping up those prop bets! Good idea! lol

Let me guess you thought all this had to do with the fact that they thought you could DI?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
RS
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March 4th, 2016 at 8:45:50 AM permalink
Not to mention, frequently a shooter in that position who's doing a high release or swinging his hand/arm around, can get his hand pretty close to the dealer's face. A good dealer will turn his arm to the side, sticking out his elbow, in order to protect himself and to show dominance.
nickolay411
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March 4th, 2016 at 3:31:33 PM permalink
Sure that was a thought, in fact it was a dreamy fantasy. But I also thought It was a rule I'd never heard before so I'd ask the experts here.
nickolay411
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March 4th, 2016 at 3:54:57 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

Yeah I've heard it broken down before and it's understandable... But if your hand is over the prop bets, you must be very very tight on the stick man.



I'm close the stickman but in nowhere near of hugging him since my front is always parallel with the table and my upper body usually slung over the rail. I think with my arm extend all the way, that's at least another two feet from the SL1 position so I can see how I am crossing left of the prop bets box.

Just another thing to be mindful of.

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