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December 21st, 2014 at 7:14:59 PM permalink
Andy was wet but ok. What happened was that Andy had wounded a deer and it went onto a neighbors property. they could not
find that neighbor so my son and Andy trailed the deer onto that land without a gun. The deer was down when they found it and Andy
walked up to clean it . Andy weighs about 150 and it was not long before it appeared Andy was being cleaned... (laughing)

The moral of that story is you need to watch Clint Eastwood movies..... " a man needs to know his limitations"

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December 21st, 2014 at 7:52:00 PM permalink
Alan




Now you know why I talk about deer hunting.

Last night was an example. Against my better judgement I agree to meet 3 other guys that have taken
classes on dice control for dinner at a small Tribal casino. I got there ahead to get a few rolls on my own
before there got to many at the table. I did not bet much and did not have any real long rolls. But one
other guy did have a nice roll. He has not had any classes and says he does not really believe in that
crap, ( but always wants to know when we are playing).

Anyway, he had a nice roll, the funny thing is he does not believe in influencing the dice, yet sets the
dice the same way, picks them up the same way, throws them the same way, lands them the same place and keeps
the bounce down.
I surely understand his point, this crap makes no difference...........he does exactly what he says makes
no difference....but he does not even know he is doing it.

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December 22nd, 2014 at 6:00:42 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

(switched to video poker)



you've been full of surprises this thread, Alan!
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December 22nd, 2014 at 7:55:45 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Anyway, he had a nice roll, the funny thing is he does not believe in influencing the dice, yet sets the
dice the same way, picks them up the same way, throws them the same way, lands them the same place and keeps
the bounce down.
I surely understand his point, this crap makes no difference...........he does exactly what he says makes
no difference....but he does not even know he is doing it.


Have you been stalking me????

I spent Friday afternoon at a not-so-small tribal casino (Harrah's Cherokee). I played three sessions of craps, each an hour long or a little more, which is about all my back can take these days before I need a break. It was a $10-minimum table, which was the level that I played, and I played only 2x or 2.5x odds. I did have a couple of fairly-good shooting hands -- twice getting four to the Fire Bet.

As I have mentioned here a number of times, I set the dice the same way every time (regardless of situation) and try to throw them about the same. I'm just not silly enough to think that the way I handle the dice has much effect on the position in which they come to rest. They are probably spinning/tumbling while in the air, and they definitely go random when they hit the table and end wall, even though they usually don't bounce very far. Setting the dice (for me) is just a fun thing to do. I'm there for the entertainment anyway, so I just have additional fun when I am shooting. I sometimes quip that I might play roulette if they would let me spin the wheel and roll the ball, but they won't.

By the way, all three of those short sessions of craps had positive outcomes, with an overall win of $525 after tokes. A fun and profitable afternoon, with both of those factors being of interest to me.
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December 22nd, 2014 at 10:08:42 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

you've been full of surprises this thread, Alan!



I cut back on craps more than two years ago. The "math" can't help you win at craps. The math only explains why you lost. The only way to win at craps is to have some influence on the dice.

All of you math guys should run -- don't walk -- from the craps pit.
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December 22nd, 2014 at 10:52:59 AM permalink
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And that is THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION: WHY NOT TRY?



Yeah. Goes hand in hand with stopping to think first. MacGyver style.

I'll add, why not find the most ridiculously hard thing to flirt around with while you're at it. Something at which even guessing the right answer isn't possible.

Which leaves us with two options. Try to intuitively devise, and perfect the simplest of strategies, which I think is what you're going on now; or, as in my world, to further unlock the mysteries of at least the known paradoxes of randomness in practical ways.

Nothing is perfect wrt us, not even randomness. People have already "opened up holes" in it, though not yet big enough to "drive a truck through".
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December 22nd, 2014 at 11:04:07 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

All of you math guys should run -- don't walk -- from the craps pit.



What you have to look for is someone who isn't interested in the outcomes. That look will tell you everything.

They already know the outcomes as far as it matters to them; not, in the shocked ways others try to take it all in at once on each and every turn of events.
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December 22nd, 2014 at 12:58:52 PM permalink
It is not Dice Influencer versus golfer, hunter, fisherman etc.

It is Dice Influencer versus a golfer who does a hole in one each day while blindfolded, a hunter who fires a .22 into the woods and gets a grizzly right between the eyes, or a fisherman who tells you about the one that got away being a shark.

I once claimed to be a professional keno player .... and was shocked when some seemed to actually believe me.
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December 22nd, 2014 at 2:04:01 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson


THE GOAL OF CRAPS IS NOT TO LOSE. SO YOU MUST TRY TO INFLUENCE. And if you don't agree don't play.



Are you sure?

Let's assume craps is a skill game. I don't play craps, so I'll use a hockey analogy.

In hockey, we have "super shooters". We call them snipers. They can knock a quarter off the crossbar without touching the pipe, just insane skill. These would be your "surgeon" fellow.

Then there's guys like me. I'm a defender, just a dumb meat shield swinging lumber at everything close enough for me to hit. I can shoot, sure. I might even be able to pick a corner, and I'm damn good at judging angles for ditches off the boards.

But I'm not a sniper. Sure, I can dangle in practice. I can spin move between the legs and get a shot off, I can lift the puck and bounce it on my blade before whacking it out of the air towards the goal. I can do a bunch of fancy stuff to make the panties drop. But come game time, I don't got it. Too much going on, too much at risk. If I were to try it in a game, chances are I'd embarrass myself (7 out) and put my team (bankroll) in peril.

Wouldn't this apply to craps? Isn't it the same as a little knowledge (skill) is a dangerous thing? Snipers (DI) should absolutely use their skills to their advantage. But for those of us in the middle of the bell curve, don't we have just as much chance of influencing wrongly as we do pulling off a miracle?

I don't shoot to be a hero. I shoot because the sun shines on a dog's ass occasionally. And aren't us unskilled fellows deserving of a warm backside once in awhile?
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December 22nd, 2014 at 2:37:35 PM permalink
People just want to win something. Most, at almost any cost. The less a person has to say, the more they will want to say it. But, to have to pay for the privilege?
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