and the crowd is silenced....
Now that I've checked back in, I've noticed it has come to a screeching halt. Was the DI crowd silenced? Or did they actually prove it?
What are your thoughts? Does the silence equal success?
They lost their bankroll despite influencing the dice.
Kind of hard to post about DI after going broke playing craps :-)
I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, though you might be correct. Sometimes it's just agreeing to disagree and sometimes it's deciding to not argue with fools, but neither means an argument has been decided a victor. Personally I don't know and don't care about dice influencing because if it were attainable, attaining the skill would be moot for banning and being coordinated and athletic was never something to describe me either.Quote: TheWolf713I remember a time on this forum when members would be in a heated discussion about proving whether DIce influence was possible. In fact, There were so many threads that this "dice setting" discussion was created.
Now that I've checked back in, I've noticed it has come to a reaching halt. Was the DI crowd silenced? Or did they actually prove it?
What are your thoughts? Does the silence equal success?
Math Boys are a tough crowd.
Quote: TheWolf713I remember a time on this forum when members would be in a heated discussion about proving whether DIce influence was possible. In fact, There were so many threads that this "dice setting" discussion was created.
Those people are only happy when annoying others that they want to convert. Once placed in the same room, I think they just found out it was no fun anymore.
Quote: TheWolf713I remember a time on this forum when members would be in a heated discussion about proving whether DIce influence was possible. In fact, There were so many threads that this "dice setting" discussion was created.
Now that I've checked back in, I've noticed it has come to a screeching halt. Was the DI crowd silenced? Or did they actually prove it?
What are your thoughts? Does the silence equal success?
It never was a DI friendly site, you were here at the zenith of tossing tolerance.
Did you see the wov/woo sites sold? Seems the main traffic is showing at WOO? I think the general direction of the new owners is internet gaming. Once in a while some old gambling degenerate will poke his head up but not for very long. There is a new sheriff.
Those that believe seem to be off making their fortune on whirlwind dice tossing tours. Those that couldn't all seem to have di schools. Good to see you are still kicking.
Maybe they don't have time to post any more because they are busy turning the casinos into their personal ATM's! :)
Quote: JoemanIt seems like every time a DI posted here, he got a response like, "If you could influence dice, you wouldn't be arguing your point here, you would be turning your casino into an ATM."
Maybe they don't have time to post any more because they are busy turning the casinos into their personal ATM's! :)
For the record, I don't put any stock in DI, but I wish them the best of luck!
Yea, just like card counters, shuffle trackers, and all other APs don't have time to post online either.
Not advocating for DI, but I fail to see why this argument is always brought up when it could just as easily be used for provable AP methods.
I believe it was the fact that Ahigh gave the impression that he gave up, since it wasn't viable. And now he faces what many consider an addiction.
All the evidence debunks DI. Their best evidence, the slow motion video it is their worst evidence. Most respectable gaming authority has at minimum said it's not really something you can make money at.
Even if you think its possible to influence the dice under perfect conditions. You have to admit that its next to impossible to get close to the right conditions in the casinos.
That is my Christmas wish, I hope every casino in America believes what Axelwolf just said ..perfect.
smiling... Dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterThat is my Christmas wish, I hope every casino in America believes what Axelwolf just said ..perfect. smiling... Dicesetter
Dice setting and Santa Claus: let the dream continue.
Then why the comment? Why be facetious (if that's the right word. You get the point)?Quote: dicesittergreat
That is my Christmas wish, I hope every casino in America believes what Axelwolf just said ..perfect.
smiling... Dicesetter
It would make more sense (unless you are selling something) to just come out and say, you have also come to the conclusion its not possible. Especially with casinos leaning that way, why put any doubt in their heads?
What better than a former DI advocate to change his stance? All "DI's" should help discredit the possibly.
I'll even jump on board with discrediting all forms of AP if we can somehow change the math and kill off all the authorities on the subject.
You have a huge benefit since there's no math or real evidence it works. Mostly its regarded as a myth.
Quote: AxelWolfThen why the comment? Why be facetious (if that's the right word. You get the point)?
It would make more sense (unless you are selling something) to just come out and say, you have also come to the conclusion its not possible. Especially with casinos leaning that way, why put any doubt in their heads?
What better than a former DI advocate to change his stance? All "DI's" should help discredit the possibly.
I'll even jump on board with discrediting all forms of AP if we can somehow change the math and kill off all the authorities on the subject.
You have a huge benefit since there's no math or real evidence it works. Mostly its regarded as a myth.
His comment was because he still believes in it and wants casinos to stop giving heat over it.
Quote: DrawingDeadWere there ever enough believers around that it could qualify as a "crowd" at one time? Leaving out the effect of any with multiple personalities conversing with themselves, that is.
I would say yes, there were, about 1/2 dozen or so who were quite prolific about it.
I completely understand his comment. It was meant to say we are foolish for not believing and hopes the casinos are just as foolish.Quote: wudgedHis comment was because he still believes in it and wants casinos to stop giving heat over it.
If he really wanted casinos to stop the "heat", he would quit implying its possible. That's what his comment implied.
He should have +1ed my comment.
Quote: AxelWolfI completely understand his comment. It was meant to say we are foolish for not believing and hopes the casinos are just as foolish.
If he really wanted casinos to stop the "heat", he would quit implying its possible. That's what his comment implied.
He should have +1ed my comment.
So-called DI's are their worst enemies, they want everybody to believe all the fiction that is written about becoming a so-called DI. They buy into the on axis BS that their dice stay on axis!
Well if they do why can't they produce a few videos on them doing it? These so-called DI's complain about all of the heat they get, but they never complain about the guys that are writing they had a SRR of 28 or they took a cool half million dollars off the table with a $2000 buy-in.
If you think that you are a DI you should just shut up and do your thing, why do you want anybody to think you can beat the tables?????????
Back when everybody was making money it was an easy sell for these on axis DI schools to sell what they were doing. They produced some very slick videos, where you did not see the real out-comes of the dice. You just heard them calling out the numbers.
They had everybody that was looking for that magic bullet buying into what they were selling. They had the great fiction writers that made it sound like anybody could win at craps, all you needed to do was take one of their courses in dice control. Those schools were laughing all the way to the bank.
Those on axis DI schools still use fiction writers to sell what they are doing, and they do a fine job of writing fiction too!
When you see them in Vegas they are stinking up the tables, but when you read their trip reports they all made money. One of there favorite ploys is to write about their trips to the casinos when there is no one to witness what they have done.
These fiction writers will write there great fiction about a three day comp trip to Macau that they took and their followers will eat it up, or about all of the comp concerts and fine food they eat that is all comped.
They post photos of high end cars like they are theirs, that they ripped off the internet, anything to keep their follows coming back for more of their great fiction.
The truth of the matter is the dice bounce all over the place when they hit the tables, so that means that everybody is just random. If you think differently please post a few slow motion videos of the dice staying on axis, I bet you can't do it!
Sure the dice may end up on what they would say is on axis, but they never really did stay on axis and if they took slow motion videos of these so-call random rollers their dice would do the same thing.
You are throwing square cubes 4 to 6 ft down the tables and when they hit they bounce, twist and flip all over the place!
The slow motion videos prove that the dice do not stay on axis, why do you think that these so-call experts do not have any videos of their dice staying on axis?
Quote: superrickYou are throwing square cubes 4 to 6 ft down the tables and when they hit they bounce, twist and flip all over the place!
The slow motion videos prove that the dice do not stay on axis, why do you think that these so-call experts do not have any videos of their dice staying on axis?
Yeah, what about pre-DI's, i.e. "unconscious rollers" such as "The Arm?"
And who can forget "The Captain?"
Where's the videos of them rolling dem bones?
By report they influenced the dice using force of will alone; certainly they were unschooled and had no particular DI methodology, but, by report, they won a lot.
Sure they did.
We all need heroes, especially when there are none left in the world.
Quote: JB85.....
and the crowd is silenced.... and aparently also the previous post!
On the commercially done ones, you will notice that you really can't see what is happening with the dice. It's their way of showing their future customers really nothing at all.
Is there anybody you know in these videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rAh1ug2Mk&list=UUUJo96xngJwaqh8rIk2whng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FO4YsUA30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqiptZZotMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k467uPlLn3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkU458iCDiY&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hheh7c6J77Y&index=34&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NaIs8y_hE&index=37&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-R8XYUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc
This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work! Just page down on the right side to see all of the videos he found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck&list=PL57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU
Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I
Quote: superrickIs there anybody you know in these videos?
One of em looked like Bigfoot, another looked like Santa, and the guy with the long ears and fluffy tail sure looked like the Easter Bunny.
Quote: DeMangoThe real reason is Ahigh left. Without him posting, Alan stopped posting about 18 yo's in a row. Those two were worth 50 posts a day! Frank Scoblete doesn't have a new book to sell. No one takes seriously the posts of the sitter of dice. Many reasons indeed.
Ahigh influenced dice but not more than keeping them on the table.
The 18 yos in a row were made by a random roller.
Dice influencing is possible but discussing it here is impossible.
Nice post.... but I think you understand why those of us that work on the
dice throw stopped talking about it.
First... it always leads to the idea that if you can influence the dice then you should be
able to win every time you play. that is nonsense and that is why dice setting is
great for a casino.....a casino only loses on a number of days, but they win on all
other days, they win on every one that thinks they are better than they are. Also
a DI will bring people to an empty table.
Second.. if you want to really be good, at least for most of us it takes a godly amount
time and practice and you cant every quit.. and then many of us never really get good enough.
third..... you get these knuckleheads that demand every time you talk about influence you
prove something or another...
fourth....the vast majority of people talking about dice influence have no idea at all what it
really looks like.
You have been playing as long as I have been and if you want discuss stuff that would be
great, but not on this public forum, it always leads to the same old b.s.
dicesetter
Quote: AlanMendelsonDice influencing is possible but discussing it here is impossible.
Then don't try to claim that it's possible at all.
DI, like all the rest has always been a relatively huge joke compared to the advantages claimed. A more basic example, anybody can learn to count cards to find themselves as quickly and terminally expelled from the games for that alone. Go to the casinos on a regular basis, look for the internet AP counters. You won't find anybody doing that as a profession. In fact, there are simple physics arguments which debunk the DI stuff out of hand. But, this certainly isn't a physics, or for that matter a math, board, so I won't waste my time. Look, go to a physics board for the laughter.
The AP's who claim their methods work, beyond what I noted in the above paragraph, in public do the same as any other type of system player. They claim that they can't produce the arguments for obvious reasons.
Go write a book, make a million over night if it's so easy. Heck, even most of the people who don't frequent the internet who buy the counting stuff will gladly admit it's all over hyped. Go to the universities in Nevada to read the hard to get expensive stuff for free.
Furthermore, Alan's a self-professed loser year in and out. What does that tell you about his more far-fetched claims? Alan's good at the boring infomercial stuff; and his own toady board follows the same template.
I think physics is the only proof there is about the validity of di.Quote: KerkebetQuote:In fact, there are simple physics arguments which debunk the DI stuff out of hand.
Been around long?Quote:But, this certainly isn't a physics, or for that matter a math, board,
Quote: KerkebetThen don't try to claim that it's possible at all.
DI, like all the rest has always been a relatively huge joke compared to the advantages claimed. A more basic example, anybody can learn to count cards to find themselves as quickly and terminally expelled from the games for that alone. In fact, there are simple physics arguments which debunk the DI stuff out of hand.
The AP's who claim their methods work, beyond what I noted in the above paragraph, in public do the same as any other type of system player. They claim that they can't produce the arguments for obvious reasons.
Go write a book, make a million over night if it's so easy. Heck, even most of the people who don't frequent the internet who buy the counting stuff will gladly admit it's all over hyped. Go to the universities in Nevada to read the hard to get expensive stuff for free.
You have to remember that the on axis craps boards are driven by entrepreneurs that are looking to make a fast buck off of their students. They are selling a magic bullet that doesn't work, all of the time .
One of the ways that they get away with it is by telling their students that they should only bet on the 6's and 8's! Their shots are set up to make those two numbers and they give their students a positive reinforcement every time they hit one of those numbers, by patting them on the back.
One of the funniest craps videos I ever saw that was produced by one of the schools that had their students trying to make the 7's, every time they hit one the instructors went wild. Their poor students to realize, that the 7's are the easiest numbers to hit!
With the invention of cheap slow-motion cameras the rest of the craps playing world can now see what happens when the dice hits the tables. What happens is the dice bounce all over the place , twisting and turning as they do so! See the above post that I put up with all of the videos in this thread.
Everybody calls me a DI, but I know that my dice do not stay on axis and I also know that my best looking shot I ever made can be a seven out.
Just because you are getting lucky and you are setting the dice, there is a very good chance of the casino taking the dice away from you or trying everything they can to get you to seven out.
Yes if your any good at what you do and the casinos see you to much they will ban you from shooting.
It all boils down to all of the fiction that is being written ever day by the great fiction writers,... day after day about the so-called DI's and becoming a so-called DI. Those DI craps boards are run buy someone trying to sell their product. They allow the great fiction writers to keep writing their fiction so it will drive their sales. These fiction writers make some of the most outrageous claims to fame that you will ever hear, like the SRR of 28.
The students of these classes believe the fiction they are reading and so do the casinos. Their great fiction writer has been writing about craps since the late 70's if you happen to read his book. Here you have a guy that nobody has ever met and the DI boards are still promote him so they can sell their BS!
The so-called DI's brag about what they say they can do, and the stupid casinos believe it, so much so that they have made their tables so bouncy that they dice do not stay on the table when anybody throws them.
If the dice are not on the tables, the stupid casinos are not making money, talk about bad casino management.
But now days that is all you have when you are talking about casino management. These guys need to go back to school and learn how to run a casino. Maybe that is why we are now seeing casinos closing down. They are running off losers that are just getting lucky, that they feel are a threat to their bottom line, because they are setting the dice.
The videos are there for anybody to see, there has not been one that can show the dice staying on axis when any so-called DI is shooting. The guys that run these on axis craps shooting schools stay in business by running off anybody that questions what they are selling. If you are reading fiction on one of their boards why in the world would you take a class from them? What happened to good old common sense?
THIS post is why we no longer talk about it.
This is the same type of response we get from deer hunters. we have a 60 acre parcel and a 120 acre parcel, small
parcels, and people have been saying for years you cant grow decent bucks and keep them on such small parcels, well
we have over 50 very nice head mounts to prove them wrong, but still we hear the same crap.
But then again they believed they could keep their doctors.......
dicesetter
maybe you could explain this?????
Quote: dicesitterSEE
THIS post is why we no longer talk about it.
This is the same type of response we get from deer hunters. we have a 60 acre parcel and a 120 acre parcel, small
parcels, and people have been saying for years you cant grow decent bucks and keep them on such small parcels, well
we have over 50 very nice head mounts to prove them wrong, but still we hear the same crap.
But then again they believed they could keep their doctors.......
dicesetter
I like this deer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0GNwjkg7ho
This year in Iowa we had to kill a deer with a knife because it had Andy pinned in the river..
thanks for the post
dicesetter
Quote: superrickBut now days that is all you have when you are talking about casino management. These guys need to go back to school and learn how to run a casino. Maybe that is why we are now seeing casinos closing down. They are running off losers that are just getting lucky, that they feel are a threat to their bottom line, because they are setting the dice.
Well, the more you try to keep the dice one way, were such even reasonably possible - as controlled rotation, or controlled translation - the more it hurts you in one way or another.
The empirical take on all the bouncing, etc, is similar to roulette. If you stretched out all the hopelessly uncontrollable motions and energies involved in the bouncing, the dice - small light pieces of low-grade plastic - actually travel much farther than the intuitive 10 feet or so. Nobody would presume to throw them 50 feet with any degree or type of accuracy.
Dice control is a myth.. period there is no such thing. But you can influence aspects of your play.
But when you get on a board like this, people feel empowered at the key board to demand that if one
calls himself a DI which is a dumb word in the first place, or dice controller or AP player that person needs
to prove something.
To me this is a childlike demand.... look at everything else in life, if you go golfing your a golfer, or a hunter
or a fisherman, we don't demand of them that they par every course, or kill every deer or catch every fish...
But in the world of craps a person that says they are a DI or dice controller or AP player seems to hurt everyone
else's feelings...no way that person cant be better than me... cant be, so a demand is made to prove it...
It has nothing to do with better.. it has to do with trying to put as many things in your favor as possible.
If we just thought of ourselves as craps players, we could have a decent conversation on here about any
aspect of craps.
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterKerebet
Dice control is a myth.. period there is no such thing. But you can influence aspects of your play.
But when you get on a board like this, people feel empowered at the key board to demand that if one
calls himself a DI which is a dumb word in the first place, or dice controller or AP player that person needs
to prove something.
To me this is a childlike demand.... look at everything else in life, if you go golfing your a golfer, or a hunter
or a fisherman, we don't demand of them that they par every course, or kill every deer or catch every fish...
But in the world of craps a person that says they are a DI or dice controller or AP player seems to hurt everyone
else's feelings...no way that person cant be better than me... cant be, so a demand is made to prove it...
It has nothing to do with better.. it has to do with trying to put as many things in your favor as possible.
If we just thought of ourselves as craps players, we could have a decent conversation on here about any
aspect of craps.
dicesetter
Dicesetter you have to remember why anybody is even questioning anything about being a so-called DI and that is because of all the fiction that is written to help sell DI classes and books.
These guys went to great extremes with what they wrote, like the SRR of 28 or shooting.
The below link is a good read for anybody that wants to see what fiction is all about, it is written by a guy that says he is a DI that nobody has ever met in all of the years that he has been writing, he claimed to have that SRR of 28. He had many followers, before we started to question everything that he wrote.
Everybody is looking for the magic bullet, and he fit right in, hell I even bought his book. But after reading it couldn't stop questioning what he wrote!
The casinos believe this kind of BS and have done everything they could think of to put a stop to something they didn't have to worry about, all they had to do was look at any slow-motion videos of the dice bouncing all over the place once they hit the tables.
http://www.dicesetter.com/mp/dmad81askmp18.htm
When it comes to the dice hitting the tables all you have to do is go back in this thread to see all of the videos I posted.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/dice-setting/20287-and-the-crowd-is-silenced/3/
Now I've played craps with Dicesetter and guess what he gets on some really good rolls, but like me he knows that you can't do it every time you go to the tables. That is where smart betting comes into play and knowing when to leave the tables.
No,... we are not like the great fictional characters that these fiction writers write about. But if there were five guys on the same table that I was on, I would be betting on Dicesetter. If he wasn't having a good day I wouldn't have any chips on him, it's that simple.
I think the slow-motion videos tell the real story about some shooters that that everybody calls DI's, and that is the casinos have nothing to fear about them, we all get lucky and you don't have to be a dice setter to have good rolls. The so-called random roller's just don't have craps boards where they can brag about their great rolls and they don't write fiction to sell a DI craps school!
You have to remember the way these great fiction writers get away with what they write is they run off anybody that questions what they are writing!
Quote: dicesitterDice control is a myth.. period there is no such thing. But you can influence aspects of your play.
Yes, that is a practical and fun way to look at it.
Quote: superrickBut like me he knows that you can't do it every time you go to the tables. That is where smart betting comes into play and knowing when to leave the tables.
Gambler's fallacy is what can't be measured or quantified.
Nothing to disprove either.
Quote: dicesitterthat is cool , good material for next years deer camp along with the movie moon lite over Escanaba.
This year in Iowa we had to kill a deer with a knife because it had Andy pinned in the river..
thanks for the post
dicesetter
I only seem to hear these stories where the deer have lost their fear of humans
what happened to Andy?
Quote: AlanMendelsonDice influencing is possible but discussing it here is impossible.
Then why don't you try to discuss it on your board then, Alan?
You used to love craps; heck you even married one of your wives at the craps table at Caesars.
You don't have a section devoted to craps or dice setting: why not?
Quote: MrVHeck, you even married one of your wives at the craps table at Caesars.
Good grief.
Quote: KerkebetGood grief.
No, more like "Seven out."
They divorced.
The blessed event:
Quote: dicesitterDice control is a myth.. period there is no such thing. But you can influence aspects of your play.
I blame Frank Scoblete for all of the arguing. He continues to use the phrase "dice control" when there is no such thing as dice control.
The only time I can control the dice is when I slide them. Yes, I can slide the dice. I demonstrated it on YouTube and that's why the Las Vegas Review Journal interviewed me about the Wynn case. But dice sliding -- the ultimate control -- is not legal, period.
No one can CONTROL dice that meet the required guidelines of the regulators in Nevada, Michigan and New Jersey (and I've interviewed all of them for various stories on TV and on my website): the dice must fly in the air, bounce off the table surface at least once and hit the back wall. Let me repeat: NO ONE CAN CONTROL THE DICE. But with a measured throw it is possible to INFLUENCE the dice.
Now ask, what is influence?
Some shooters influence the dice so that the dice don't bounce off the table. Some shooters influence the dice so that they bounce off the back wall between six inches and two feet and tumble repeatedly. And a very few shooters can influence the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop.
It is those few shooters who can influence the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop who have the greatest chance of getting a desired outcome. It doesn't mean they will. It only means they have a better chance. And that is the only claim a dice INFLUENCER can hope to make.
I have only seen THREE people who come close to influencing the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop. ONLY THREE. And I am not one of them. And because I am not one of them I can't claim to be a winner at craps... and never have.
So once again, dice influencing is possible. Very few do it.
Note: I used to say that I knew of only TWO who could influence the dice: the surgeon from Washington and the "mystery shooter" who I saw at Caesars only once. But earlier this year I met a third -- I won't reveal his name but he is known on some of the other message boards and he was damn good with his soft throw that softly bounced and rolled to the back wall and stopped. He had several long turns with the dice when I played with him.
Now, the rest of you stop making your exaggerated claims of what you think dice influencing is supposed to be, because it is not CONTROL. It is only INFLUENCE and very few can really do it with any degree of success. Please stop pointing to worthless videos on YouTube by imposters who claim to be influencing the dice -- they are not.
Quote: odiousgambitI only seem to hear these stories where the deer have lost their fear of humans
My girlfriend lives east of Pasadena near the foothills and every morning five or six deer walk through the neighborhood to eat whatever they eat on folks lawns.
Recently, one deer walked thru her house because she left the french doors open on her back patio.
Last week I was helping her into the car when I felt something warm "breathing" down my neck and when I turned around it was a deer looking at us.
When I walk her dog down the street I am sometimes followed by the deer.
They have no fear of humans in this neighborhood.
I do not know if they can throw dice.
Was that the same deer that rolled 18 YO's in a row???Quote: ontariodealerNews Headline: Deer has 30 minute roll at ballys. Superick to disprove this, Film at 11.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI blame Frank Scoblete for all of the arguing. He continues to use the phrase "dice control" when there is no such thing as dice control.
The only time I can control the dice is when I slide them. Yes, I can slide the dice. I demonstrated it on YouTube and that's why the Las Vegas Review Journal interviewed me about the Wynn case. But dice sliding -- the ultimate control -- is not legal, period.
No one can CONTROL dice that meet the required guidelines of the regulators in Nevada, Michigan and New Jersey (and I've interviewed all of them for various stories on TV and on my website): the dice must fly in the air, bounce off the table surface at least once and hit the back wall. Let me repeat: NO ONE CAN CONTROL THE DICE. But with a measured throw it is possible to INFLUENCE the dice.
Now ask, what is influence?
Some shooters influence the dice so that the dice don't bounce off the table. Some shooters influence the dice so that they bounce off the back wall between six inches and two feet and tumble repeatedly. And a very few shooters can influence the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop.
It is those few shooters who can influence the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop who have the greatest chance of getting a desired outcome. It doesn't mean they will. It only means they have a better chance. And that is the only claim a dice INFLUENCER can hope to make.
I have only seen THREE people who come close to influencing the dice so that they softly bounce and roll to the back wall and stop. ONLY THREE. And I am not one of them. And because I am not one of them I can't claim to be a winner at craps... and never have.
So once again, dice influencing is possible. Very few do it.
Note: I used to say that I knew of only TWO who could influence the dice: the surgeon from Washington and the "mystery shooter" who I saw at Caesars only once. But earlier this year I met a third -- I won't reveal his name but he is known on some of the other message boards and he was damn good with his soft throw that softly bounced and rolled to the back wall and stopped. He had several long turns with the dice when I played with him.
Now, the rest of you stop making your exaggerated claims of what you think dice influencing is supposed to be, because it is not CONTROL. It is only INFLUENCE and very few can really do it with any degree of success. Please stop pointing to worthless videos on YouTube by imposters who claim to be influencing the dice -- they are not.
Gibberish.
Quote: MrVNo, more like "Seven out."
They divorced.
The blessed event:
Reality.
Two types of gambling addicts:
1) The ones with an income who attempt to draw everyone else into it, to their own little dysfunctional worlds; and,
2) The ones w/o an income who do it in secrecy.
Just say'n. Not to or about anyone in specific.
Alan claims he doesn't have a gambling problem.
I wonder, but don't really care.
I assume the above picture, etc, is from his own site.
Add on: I've noticed that it's okay on this site to be negative in general, eg, to call people ploppies, etc, as long as you also spout off about how you took advantage of them, or earned a living by it, in long-winded past stories obviously greatly exaggerated - if true at all - while offering up nothing of value in the end for today's machines, etc. But, is that really not being negative. Maybe it's being more negative. Better to just point out the truth where and when that becomes obvious, and let it at that? Just say'n.
Quote: Kerkebet
Add on: I've noticed that it's okay on this site to be negative in general, eg, to call people ploppies, etc, as long as you also spout off about how you took advantage of them, or earned a living by it, in long-winded past stories obviously greatly exaggerated - if true at all - while offering up nothing of value in the end for today's machines, etc. But, is that really not being negative. Maybe it's being more negative. Better to just point out the truth where and when that becomes obvious, and let it at that? Just say'n.
Sorry you've gotten that impression. This forum is INTENDED to be for discussion of all aspects of gambling, good and bad, in the Vegas area, debunking of gambler's fallacies and other misconceptions through mathematical proofs, and education of interested parties on best player opportunities (including warning people away from bad deals). The Wizard is a strong proponent of free speech, and allows what people say and how they say it to stand, short of insults to other members, profanity, and/or unwelcome self-promotion. I guess, in at least some cases, that leads to negativity and sniping as a necessary evil, though it says a lot about the individual poster when they indulge in it, at least in my opinion, not so much about this site as a whole.
If possible, I would suggest you start correlating posts with posters, and decide for yourself how much credibility to give the people (most anonymous, though many of us know each other IRL through this board). It's been my experience, through meeting about 30 of them, that they are pretty great people who love some aspect of gambling. But those are the ones for the most part that tend not to be the most negative on here, either.
