TheWolf713
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May 31st, 2014 at 10:01:10 PM permalink
With the Odds in your favor, and the skill of "Dice Influence" in your hands, why wouldn't the best Craps shooter ever not shoot for the 7?

Do you feel this is possible, or is it just nonsense? Why wouldn't a full fledged sharpshooter not attempt this?
What are your thoughts
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AxelWolf
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May 31st, 2014 at 10:37:51 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

With the Odds in your favor, and the skill of "Dice Influence" in your hands, why wouldn't the best Craps shooter ever not shoot for the 7?

Do you feel this is possible, or is it just nonsense? Why wouldn't a full fledged sharpshooter not attempt this?
What are your thoughts

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onenickelmiracle
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June 1st, 2014 at 12:08:52 AM permalink
I don't think the casino would want anyone so good with the dice to throw and throwing 7s every time wouldn't be an optimal strategy anyways. If someone had the talent maybe they would quit once they were satisfied to do what they really wanted to do when they didn't have money.
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DJTeddyBear
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June 1st, 2014 at 1:04:23 AM permalink
It is my understanding that dice setters DO try to get more sevens - but only on come out rolls. They try to avoid sevens on non come outs.

I'm not gonna argue wether it's possible, but assuming it is, it's only changing the odds slightly.

A successful dice infuencer can make the dice spin a certain way which greatly increases the odds of one of four faces one each die landing face up. Knowing which four faces, it's a simple matter to set / turn the dice so these four faces, plus those four faces, either increase or decrease the odds of a seven.
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Ahigh
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June 1st, 2014 at 9:23:08 AM permalink
I collected enough samples to come up with sets that are taylored to the comeout roll. There's an evaluation routine that looks at all 576 sets for all the possible weighted outcomes for the comeout and gives you the best set.

That's a more advanced thing than most believers know how to do, frankly. And recording both dice (left and right) independently is key to a good comeout roll set as it's usually not a hardway set like when you're trying to avoid sevens.

Most folks who believe in this stuff don't have a clue what to do on the comeout for their particular throw and they usually don't record left and right die outcomes either.
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June 1st, 2014 at 1:43:31 PM permalink
My response assumes the op is asking about shooting from the don't, not shooting for 7 on the CO roll. Yes the 7 is the most frequently occurring number but it pays less on each hit. So if you have an edge, it will essentially be a wash in terms of dollars earned. So the two biggest reasons that most people don't shoot from the wrong side. 1) You lose the dice when you 7 out. Not a big deal if you are by yourself but those opportunities aren't always available. 2) It eliminates the possibility of the monster roll(theoretically).
speedycrap
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June 1st, 2014 at 3:10:16 PM permalink
I wonder whether you know much about craps.
Making money on craps is not to make a lot of points. Making a lot of numbers will make you big bucks without ANY heat.
MrV
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June 1st, 2014 at 3:36:00 PM permalink
If I could control the dice, I'd set for two or twelve and relish my 30-1 payoff.

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SanchoPanza
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June 1st, 2014 at 4:07:07 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I don't think the casino would want anyone so good with the dice to throw and throwing 7s every time wouldn't be an optimal strategy anyways. If someone had the talent maybe they would quit once they were satisfied to do what they really wanted to do when they didn't have money.

On the contrary, it sounds like nirvana for don't bettors.
Ahigh
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June 1st, 2014 at 4:18:40 PM permalink
In theory, the most skilled shooter should be able to INCREASE the frequency of a narrow band of specific outcomes. Betting a bet with the narrowest set of paying outcomes and the highest pay multiple while still keeping the house edge low is the best way to maximize the player edge per roll.

This generally means buying one of either the four or the ten and not worrying about any other bets.

This is all theory, and it does neglect the practice of a casino getting wise to the fact that you keep hitting the same number over and over with a higher than expected frequency.

The reason not to bet the HOPS is that the edge per roll can be too high.

Buying the four you can get your edge per roll down to as low as 0.33% per roll. It's one of the easier things to defeat in theory compared to having to learn a large number of sets to target a large number of targets that results from only looking to take advantage of zero house edge odds bets.

Just having a good throw is only part of the equation. You also have to analyze which set to pair with which throw when targeting specific outcomes.

If you get a high enough frequency on even one outcome from a throw, you can change your set and bet the four pretty easily without having to know too much.

I have to reiterate this all over again, though, this is still all theory.

People who suggest things like getting paid at a higher frequency are generally systems players who are trying to defeat randomness with a system. These players all fail eventually, and it's generally well known that betting systems designed to defeat truly random outcomes will fail given enough time.

Trying to get paid too frequently is a warning sign that you might not understand how to gamble and are giving up a chance to win in exchange for frequency of payment.

The flip side (being patient for lack of success in the short run in getting paid) is less often understood to be an integral part of the theory exploiting an edge in craps.

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