Wizards free Craps game- Buying the 4/10?

$10 buy on the 10, and i win $28.57?!
it's basically 18.57 profit (28.57 - 10 original bet).

Where did $18.57 come from?

The upper left corner of the Wiz' crap game says "Rules". click it and you se that the Buy 4/10 pays 39:21. This is the correct math after calculating the vig - which is paid on wins.

Isn't the 39:21 payout the rate if the vig is paid on the buy (not just on the win)? Bet $20 + pay $1 vig; win $40 - another $1 vig if the bet stays up. Thus, the payout is (40-1)/(20+1).

I don't make buy bets, but I think that's the way it works. On the other hand, I'm not sure that doesn't double count the vig if it stays up for another round. It looks as if each $1 vig after the first one is treated as a penalty on both the preceding and following wagers.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

The upper left corner of the Wiz' crap game says "Rules". click it and you se that the Buy 4/10 pays 39:21.
This is the correct math after calculating the vig - which is paid on wins.

Nope
39/21 is when the vig is paid on the bet up front and for a $20 wager.
39/20 is when the vig is paid on a win only

The WoV and WoO free Craps game, The payoffs for Buys as I looked at them are just flat out wrong.
I suggest you let them know of this.

39/21 is not the Buy4 and Buy10 payoff.
The author of the program may not even know what the Buy bet payoffs actually are.

I had a $30 Buy4 pay me 55.71 (30*(39/21))
instead of 58.50 (30*2)-(30*.05)

Ripoff!

For the Buy4 and Buy10 (2*Bet) - (Bet * 0.05)
For the Buy5 and Buy9 (1.5*Bet) - (Bet * 0.05)
For the Buy6 and Buy8 (1.2*Bet) - (Bet * 0.05)
One can then add roundup or rounddown as a real casino would.

Use WinCraps instead to play your free craps game. Fully customizable, the Buys can be set for any % also.
Plus the game keeps so many stats for you without you asking it to.
And it is free for about 99% of all it's playing features. It even has RNG using the Mersenne twister
What a deal!

Quote: 100xOdds

$10 buy on the 10, and i win $28.57?!
it's basically 18.57 profit (28.57 - 10 original bet).

Where did $18.57 come from?

$10 * (39/21)
Not even close to being correct.
The program needs some payoff adjustments to make it more accurate.

Quote: 7craps

The author of the program...

...would be me. I believe I programmed in the payouts that the Wizard advised me to use. I am not a craps player, so I wouldn't have known if any of them were wrong.

We do know that the game has some bugs in it. I would rather redo the game from scratch than try to fix the one that's on there now, as it was created quite a while ago and I could probably do a much better job nowadays.

Quote: JB

...would be me. I believe I programmed in the payouts that the Wizard advised me to use. I am not a craps player, so I wouldn't have known if any of them were wrong.

We do know that the game has some bugs in it. I would rather redo the game from scratch than try to fix the one that's on there now, as it was created quite a while ago and I could probably do a much better job nowadays.

do one w/infinite rolls so i test my various fun systems to see which one lasts the longest?

yeah, i know continuous pass/come would last the longest because of lowest house edge.

but i like action thus i MUST place the 6/8 and Buy the 4/10 (if the commision is after the # hits).

THX!

PLEEEAASSEEE change the slot-machine dice (or put a handle next to them ;oP).

Quote: JB

...would be me. I believe I programmed in the payouts that the Wizard advised me to use. I am not a craps player, so I wouldn't have known if any of them were wrong.

We do know that the game has some bugs in it. I would rather redo the game from scratch than try to fix the one that's on there now, as it was created quite a while ago and I could probably do a much better job nowadays.

All you need to do is change this line:
this.Wager["buy_" + p[x]].Win = this.Wager["buy_" + p[x]].Bet * m[x];
to use a rounding function instead of a straight ratio (in m[]). As 7craps pointed out, 39/21 (i.e. m[0]) is only valid for (a) vig up front and (b) $20 wager. Assuming you want to charge vig only on win, you want to first calculate true odds (m[x+18]) and then subtract 5% of the bet, rounded down to the nearest integer but with a minimum of $1. So for a buy-4 of $1 .. $39, subtract $1 vig; buy-4 of $40 .. 59, subtract $2, etc. Those would be the most liberal rules. Some casinos round up on vig as you approach $40.

unless you are playing at a casino that has $0.25 chips, like the lovely Atlantic Club in AC...lol
you can buy the 4/10 for $5 and pay a $0.25 vig

Now with many casinos offering Craps machines (slot machine that requires a w2G on any win of $1200 or more in Nevada and in CA and one can not continue to play until that happens) that pay to the penny, we can really start pinching those pennies.
Bill's Rapid Craps in Vegas allows a $3 Buy bet with a 4% vig IF my memory is right, maybe it was a 4% vig on the Lay, this was a few months back when I was there.

Quote: 100xOdds

do one w/infinite rolls so i test my various fun systems to see which one lasts the longest?

yeah, i know continuous pass/come would last the longest because of lowest house edge.

but i like action thus i MUST place the 6/8 and Buy the 4/10 (if the commision is after the # hits).

THX!

You want JB to expand his Craps Game and add some simulation features. Nice request.
He might do that for a fee.
Of course, maybe he should make the best online Craps game AND simulator...
because that would drive even more visitors to this site from searches and that could mean more that end up playing at Bodog.


100... You must have given up on WinCraps. Too hard to learn how to program an auto-bet file yourself?
I have hundreds, if not a thousand, of auto-bet files, most without comments or remarks in them.
I have ones that would do exactly what you so desire.

AS soon as Steen at WinCraps has his Pro Version for sale, it has been spoken about for the last few years, I want to add all my auto-bet files to his site for
free! Yep. I give back to those who have helped me in my travels.

That means I should at least add some comments so newbees can follow what is going on in them.
maybe you will get lucky and we all can get lucky when JB makes his new craps game/simulator.