If you hit the table max, put $ on odds or come?

e-craps (real dice) in Vegas has $500 table max. ($2min on flatbets, 5x odds)
I've hit it a few times. (i started at $10flat.)

i think when i hit the limit my flat bets were at $20.
so $20 x 5 + 20flat = $120 per number.
4 numbers = $480 + $20 Come = $500.

Now, on the next roll, if i hit a # that only has $15flat, do i use that last $20 on odds or on another Come?
WHY?

i'm thinking odds because of lower house edge? but i lose that # after it hits becuase of no Come.

Hey 100X - I haven't played the new e-craps games yet, so I'm curious about that $500 table limit. Does the casino tell you "no bet" if you exceed the $500 limit or what?

I've played at a lot of Native American casinos where they limit your bet per number to . . . say $100. I've managed to get by that in some joints by combining maxed out come/odds bets with place bets. Say a double odds game with $30 PL bet and $60 odds - then place the point for $60 - $90. Whenever I've been questioned about it by a dealer I've just said "they're different bets and both are under $100." Never been told I couldn't do it.

Thoughts? Could you do something similar on the e-craps game or do you think it would cap your bets?

the chips + betting are all electronic on touchscreen. the computer prevents u from going over $500.

there are no dealers.
Dice are real though, which is what i like.

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the chips + betting are all electronic on touchscreen. the computer prevents u from going over $500.

there are no dealers.
Dice are real though, which is what i like.

How are the dice used to make the decision? Are they still thrown by the players? Is it just like a craps table with a small screen instead of the rail? There must still be one dealer who's calling the number and pushing a button to tell the computer what to pay; at least that's how the e-roulette table worked that I saw once.

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How are the dice used to make the decision? Are they still thrown by the players? Is it just like a craps table with a small screen instead of the rail? There must still be one dealer who's calling the number and pushing a button to tell the computer what to pay; at least that's how the e-roulette table worked that I saw once.

there are 2 e-craps competitors w/real dice. i made threads about them.
Shoot to Win in Vegas
Organic Dice in NYC

For the Organic Dice, the table limit is $3000! Love that place!!!
cant wait to hit that limit. highest so far i've had on the table is $1000 starting off with $10 continuous pass/Come + max odds. but only been there like 4times.

there's a 3rd one thats only in Bills Gaming Hall in Vegas. i've never been there.
it's supposely the closest thing to real craps. it has a dealer that manually enters the number thrown into the computer. bets + chips are on touchscreen.

With only eight seats and the computer waiting 30 seconds between rolls and the low minimums it sounds like the e-craps wouldn't make a lot of money. It's probably designed to attract new players, and the live dealer games are still where the money's at.

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With only eight seats and the computer waiting 30 seconds between rolls and the low minimums it sounds like the e-craps wouldn't make a lot of money. It's probably designed to attract new players, and the live dealer games are still where the money's at.

the one in nyc has 60 or 70 seats :o
and $10min.

also, 30sec between rolls is faster than with live dealers, no?

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the one in nyc has 60 or 70 seats :o
and $10min.

also, 30sec between rolls is faster than with live dealers, no?

On the average, yes. It's tricky to estimate during live play because there is such a high variance in roll rates during a hand. At a table with heavy action, mid-hand rolls may go by relatively quickly -- 10-20 seconds between each -- but each 7-out, come-out, and first roll after comeout (when all the place bettors set up their spreads) often take far longer than 30 seconds. 30 seconds/roll is 120 rolls/hour, and most casinos would be *thrilled* to hit that rate even with only a few players at the table. I use 100 in revenue computations, and I recently spoke with a tribal gaming director who has less experienced dealers and she has to settle for 90. Play style has an impact too -- her pit gets a lot of hardway action and that slows the game down a lot (think about the procedure for paying prop bets). Not that she minds; it's a good tradeoff for the hardway action.

The game at Bills is RapidCraps - from the same folks who brought you RapidRoulette. Back when they first installed the table it had a glitch in it that would allow a player to take down a bet (I guess that would be past un-posting) after the decision had been made if he did it within a few seconds of the dice roll. Since they they corrected the glitch and players can't remove bets once the dice go out - at least that's what I've been told by one of the guys who claims to have exploited the problem early on. Anyway, it's not e-craps, but a stand up game with betting terminals and a stickman to move the dice around.

As for hitting 120 rolls an hour - that's rare - even on a live game IMHO. I've tossed more hour plus hands in live play than I can remember, but rarely did I see a pace better than around 70 decisions per hour. My last two 90 minute hands were 61 and 66 rolls. Of course, when someone is having a hand like that the casino WANTS to slow thing down.

I played at an electronics craps game that sounds pretty much like what you're seeing in Vegas now in an Indian casino in Red Wing, Minnesota many years ago. Only difference I can see is that the "dice" moved around the table clockwise and you "tossed" them with a roller-ball type joy stick/controller.

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My last two 90 minute hands were 61 and 66 rolls. Of course, when someone is having a hand like that the casino WANTS to slow thing down.

Not where I work. On several occasions I've been yanked from a table and replaced with a more experienced dealer cause they want to speed the game up. It pisses me off, and comes across as sleazy to me.

Often there isn't much action there either, so even with a full table we can often get a roll in every 20-30 seconds. This is cause nobody's pressing so payouts usually go quickly and smoothly. And with just a couple players it will drop to 10-15 seconds a roll.

The information I read was about the e-craps at NYNY, and it said eight seats. I just can't imagine what 60 seat craps table looks like. But with two or three players, you wouldn't want to maintain the thirty seconds a roll would you?

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The information I read was about the e-craps at NYNY, and it said eight seats. I just can't imagine what 60 seat craps table looks like. But with two or three players, you wouldn't want to maintain the thirty seconds a roll would you?

the one in nyc (as opposed to NYNY in vegas):
think movie theater. there's a big screen in front showing the live roll (along w/the pop up window on your display). 6 rows of 10 seats/terminals

To put a picture to it, here's a shot from Interblock's website (note: I am not affiliated with them):