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March 18th, 2012 at 9:09:23 PM permalink
these are the Pop O Matic craps machines.

i've seen them in the bellagio and MGM. both a 3x max odds.

do u get points playing them?

what other casinos have them, and what odds?
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March 18th, 2012 at 9:16:39 PM permalink
NYNY has it for 3x odds as well. The Palms has either $2 or $3 min with I believe 10x odds and I know Binions has one in the back which is a $1 min but only 2x odds. The nice thing about Binions is that you earn comps at the same rate as slot machines for playing, so you can easily play pass and dont pass, take max evening odds on both, and as soon as a 7 or the point is hit earn comps for every resolved dollar you bet. I saw a guy racking up comp points this way when I was there last week and as soon as I switched to try to earn some points myself, the come out roll came up 12 twice in 4 come outs losing me my pass line and pushing the dont, making it very frustrating.

I hear its spreading all over the south strip but I didn't see any other casinos specifically which have it. I've heard rumors of it being in Riviera but I cannot confirm this myself.
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March 18th, 2012 at 9:18:08 PM permalink
The reason I said "evening odds" is that you can only bet 2x on either pass or don't pass. The machine doesn't let you bet what would pay out to 2x for a dark sider, so you have to be cautious and work out the numbers to ensure a push on your odds bets.
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March 18th, 2012 at 9:22:39 PM permalink
Nice update

Most odds I saw was 2 and 3X.
I did not play STW Craps at all the strip casinos.
Gold Strike in Jean was the only one that I saw and used a players card at 2X.
This thread has some more on Shoot to Win Craps.
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March 18th, 2012 at 9:24:32 PM permalink
FWIW I had a blast playing these machines during my most recent trip and the trip before when I first saw it at NYNY. With a full table and people cheering, it can feel almost like a live action craps table... almost. At 3 AM by yourself with no one else around, it doesn't quite give the same rush.
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March 18th, 2012 at 9:51:47 PM permalink
Quote: duckmankilla

FWIW I had a blast playing these machines during my most recent trip and the trip before when I first saw it at NYNY. With a full table and people cheering, it can feel almost like a live action craps table... almost. At 3 AM by yourself with no one else around, it doesn't quite give the same rush.



so nyny is also 3x odds?
how about buying thr 4+10. do they take the 5% vig AFTER you win (1.67%?) or before (6.67%)?
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March 18th, 2012 at 10:04:55 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

so nyny is also 3x odds?
how about buying thr 4+10. do they take the 5% vig AFTER you win (1.67%?) or before (6.67%)?

Good Q
The ones I played ALL took the vig for all buys and lays after a win. NYNY and Gold Strike

I will be in Vegas in 2 weeks.
Guess it is time to really study the rules at every location.

I also noticed that if the max bet was $500, that was it on the Lay bets. NO Laying the 4 for $1,000.
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March 19th, 2012 at 12:05:51 AM permalink
Quote: duckmankilla

NYNY has it for 3x odds as well. The Palms has either $2 or $3 min with I believe 10x odds and I know Binions has one in the back which is a $1 min but only 2x odds. The nice thing about Binions is that you earn comps at the same rate as slot machines for playing, so you can easily play pass and dont pass, take max evening odds on both, and as soon as a 7 or the point is hit earn comps for every resolved dollar you bet. I saw a guy racking up comp points this way when I was there last week and as soon as I switched to try to earn some points myself, the come out roll came up 12 twice in 4 come outs losing me my pass line and pushing the dont, making it very frustrating.

I hear its spreading all over the south strip but I didn't see any other casinos specifically which have it. I've heard rumors of it being in Riviera but I cannot confirm this myself.



When I played at Binions it did not give me any points at all a few weeks ago, even for line bets. They are also at Riv, but no points anymore. Station will give you points on the flat bets and other wagers, but nothing on the odds. Since the cashback is .3%, you are not going to be able to middle them with points.
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March 19th, 2012 at 2:24:45 AM permalink
got back from sunset station.

$1 min, 5x odds!
but $25max place bets and $250 max combined bets on the table :(

i racked up like 3000 points. so how much is that worth if i cash it in?
and how much is it worth if i use it for their buffet?


Also, does the bellagio give points for their Bubble craps machine?
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March 19th, 2012 at 3:22:44 AM permalink
I can confirm Rivieria has it.
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March 19th, 2012 at 7:36:36 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds


i racked up like 3000 points. so how much is that worth if i cash it in?
and how much is it worth if i use it for their buffet?

That's worth $3.00 in cashback, freeplay or food comps. How did you do overall?

Riveria has it, $2 and 5x odds. No points. Don't know about the other places. Why don't you check them out and report back?
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March 19th, 2012 at 8:08:45 AM permalink
thx for the info on the Riv!
going to check them out. dont care about points. i prefer the 5x odds vs the 3x odds at the bellagio.

the $250 cap for total $ in play at sunset station sucked. someone was on a streak but i couldnt press it further than $7 w/$35 odds because of the cap.
$42 * 6 = $252 so i couldnt max out my odds by $9. ($7 for come bet)

oh.. and won $600 :)
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March 19th, 2012 at 8:38:16 AM permalink
Yes I agree the $250 cap sucks. I never reach it since I never bet more than $min+max odds. (I can't bring myself to press the flat bet).

However, at the Palms a friend (who plays bigger than I) hit the cap, and he was not happy. By the way, I think the Palms is $2/5x and they DO give out some points.

Check out the 1000x odds live table at the Riv for bigger action if you do go there.
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March 19th, 2012 at 4:17:00 PM permalink
palms:
5x odds, $250max on tabel :(

bellagio:
3x odds, $500 max on table but no points. checked my card today and still reads 0 points after playing there yesterday :(

edit: there may be points at bellegio. didnt realize bellagio and MGM share the same players card.
after i played bubble craps at bellago, i played some bj at mgm and use my points for dinner
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March 19th, 2012 at 11:39:51 PM permalink
monte carlo:
5x odds, $250 max on table

i'm surprised Aria doesnt have a bubble craps machine. yet they have not 1, not 2, but 3 electronic roulette bays!
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March 21st, 2012 at 3:36:09 AM permalink
flying out in 4hrs.
final update till i return:

binions:
2x odds, $500max

didnt see bubble craps at any other casino under the fremont canopy.


hopefully when i return there will be a 5x odds, $500 max WITH player points machine.

also hopefully casinos in wv, pa, md, de, and atlantic city will have them.

I think Bubble Craps is almost more fun then a $1min 100odds with PUTs craps table. (almost...)


Edit:
I think the Bellagio has the best Bubble craps.
$500 max on table.
And even tho it's 3x odds, it allows points which will offset the slightly higher house edge over 5x odds. altho i dont know how long you have to play till you get anything at the Bellagio.

coming in 2nd is Binions.
$500 max on table, and only 2x odds. but they have a MUCH lower threshold for giving out comps compared to the Bellagio.
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March 21st, 2012 at 11:28:57 AM permalink
I missed exactly what is so much fun with Bubble Craps as opposed to table Craps?
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March 21st, 2012 at 12:27:00 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I missed exactly what is so much fun with Bubble Craps as opposed to table Craps?



I agree "real" craps is more fun that bubble craps, not to mention more generous odds. But, I can think of a few advantages in favor of bubble craps (at least for me):

1) No dealers whining for tips. I'll estimate about 20% of the time I will leave a table for this reason (blackjack only 1%). Sometimes one of them will start whining within minutes of playing.

2) No wrong payoffs- I notice this often and suspect it's not a honest mistake. No other game comes close. Sometime I think you have to tip from the start in order to get a square game?
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March 21st, 2012 at 12:45:16 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I missed exactly what is so much fun with Bubble Craps as opposed to table Craps?

No tips, easier to make bets, simple to turn on/off your bets as you wish. Fractional payments on breakage bets.

Downsides: Annoying Japanese cartoon character who makes weird sayings like "MYSTERY OF FIFTY SERIES!!!" every 30 seconds.
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March 21st, 2012 at 12:50:03 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

No tips, easier to make bets, simple to turn on/off your bets as you wish. Fractional payments on breakage bets.

Downsides: Annoying Japanese cartoon character who makes weird sayings like "MYSTERY OF FIFTY SERIES!!!" every 30 seconds.



Haha I still haven't figured out what that means... but I rather enjoy the voice. I find it comical when a shooter is waiting to push the button and is being prompted by the character who is saying "COME ON, PUSH THE BUTTON!!" I rather enjoy it and for a fair shot at winning with minimal bankroll, you can't beat it. Gained a whole bunch of comp points at Binions during my last trip and lost very little money.
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March 21st, 2012 at 12:54:32 PM permalink
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Haha I still haven't figured out what that means... but I rather enjoy the voice. I find it comical when a shooter is waiting to push the button and is being prompted by the character who is saying "COME ON, PUSH THE BUTTON!!" I rather enjoy it and for a fair shot at winning with minimal bankroll, you can't beat it. Gained a whole bunch of comp points at Binions during my last trip and lost very little money.

Yeah, it has something to do with the last fifty rolls ... like that means anything.
When I played with the high-roller at the Riv, he refused to press the button, and he let the computer do it automatically when time ran out. So I heard that voice a lot. Funny, he did pretty well that way.
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March 21st, 2012 at 12:59:56 PM permalink
"COME ON, PUSH THE BUTTON!" That's what my wife Belinda says to me during sex.
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March 21st, 2012 at 1:01:20 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

these are the Pop O Matic craps machines.

i've seen them in the bellagio and MGM. both a 3x max odds.

do u get points playing them?

what other casinos have them, and what odds?



The machine at NYNY is 5x odds, or at least it was in August when I was there. One advantage the machine has over the tables is that an odd amount ($5 place bet on the 6 or 8, $5 odds on a 5 or 9) can be made, and the proper payout will be made to the odd penny. I still prefer a real table, though, but until I read this thread, I didn't think about using it for comp points.
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March 21st, 2012 at 7:24:10 PM permalink
forgot to visit nyny while i was at the MGM. :(

do you remember what the max amount on table is?
and do u get points for playing?
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March 21st, 2012 at 7:28:54 PM permalink
Can't speak for table max but NYNY was the first place I ever saw bubble craps and it did not issue any points for playing as of August 2011 even though there was a slot for players cards. NYNY was actually one of the few that I saw which specifically said "NO COMP POINTS EARNED" or something of that nature right next to the players card slot.
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March 21st, 2012 at 8:28:26 PM permalink
Quote: duckmankilla

Can't speak for table max but NYNY was the first place I ever saw bubble craps and it did not issue any points for playing as of August 2011 even though there was a slot for players cards. NYNY was actually one of the few that I saw which specifically said "NO COMP POINTS EARNED" or something of that nature right next to the players card slot.



same w/rivera.
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March 22nd, 2012 at 12:10:31 AM permalink
Quote: duckmankilla

Can't speak for table max but NYNY was the first place I ever saw bubble craps and it did not issue any points for playing as of August 2011 even though there was a slot for players cards. NYNY was actually one of the few that I saw which specifically said "NO COMP POINTS EARNED" or something of that nature right next to the players card slot.


I can vouch for the sign still being present a few weeks ago. I didn't actually bother inserting my card, but I'm guessing if they changed the policy they would take down the signs.

Don't remember the max bet amount.
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March 31st, 2012 at 3:01:32 PM permalink
I played lots of bubble craps this past week. Most machines were 3x odds, did find a few 5x odds- one at Riviera for sure, can't remember where the other 5x machine was.

I also played some real craps, but had more fun at the bubble machines. Love 'em.
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March 31st, 2012 at 3:21:43 PM permalink
Quote: DanMahowny

2) No wrong payoffs- I notice this often and suspect it's not a honest mistake. No other game comes close. Sometime I think you have to tip from the start in order to get a square game?



You're right, no other game comes close to the amount of mispays, but I'm fairly certain the vast majority are honest mistakes.

A BJ dealer, at a minimum, only needs to know what 3 to 2 is for each chip they deal with. A smarter dealer will know the payoffs for $1-$9 and will just add the BJ totals of each digit of the bet.

Here are they payout keys a craps dealer must learn. Just take a look at the key for a horn high twelve for example: 11 x bet plus amount on number hit. Many players feel that it's not that hard since they know what their own bets pay as they play them all the time. Now imagine you're the stick, have just finished calling a yo, and have to pay out 3 C&Es, a straight up yo, a world bet, and a $40 horn high yo. All of this while the box is telling you to keep the dice in the air. I'm not excusing mispays, but I understand why they happen.

I haven't dealt in more than a decade and I could easily pass a blackjack audition and I'm fairly confident I could pass a roulette audition with no practice on either beforehand. I would be thrown out on my head if I tried to audition for craps.
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March 31st, 2012 at 3:42:52 PM permalink
Quote: DanMahowny

I played lots of bubble craps this past week. Most machines were 3x odds, did find a few 5x odds- one at Riviera for sure, can't remember where the other 5x machine was.

I also played some real craps, but had more fun at the bubble machines. Love 'em.



wished states on the east coast had them, besides the new casino in NYC.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/9141-which-casinos-on-east-coast-have-electronic-craps/

according to WongBo, Pa, nj, and ct dont have them.

that leaves de, md and wv?
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March 31st, 2012 at 3:59:13 PM permalink
Quote: DanMahowny


I also played some real craps, but had more fun at the bubble machines. Love 'em.



this is like someone preferring porn to a live partner...imo
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March 31st, 2012 at 4:12:05 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

this is like someone preferring porn to a live partner...imo



its the best of both worlds.
i like it because of real dice and your ability to do whatever weird bets u want w/o the negatives (dealers, players holding up the roll, wrong pay outs, etc)

kinda like the holodeck in star trek
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March 31st, 2012 at 5:14:29 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

wished states on the east coast had them, besides the new casino in NYC.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/9141-which-casinos-on-east-coast-have-electronic-craps/

according to WongBo, Pa, nj, and ct dont have them.

that leaves de, md and wv?



Yonkers, NY has Electronic Craps. Very similar but the dice are merely displayed on the screen.

Foxwoods had it for a while, but it vanished about a year ago.

edit---Also Mohegan had the Sic Bo/Craps Popper Combo (choose which you want to play on the touch screen) in their Asian area, but they took the Craps option away last time I was there. Still two dice of one color and one of a different color though...
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March 31st, 2012 at 6:20:47 PM permalink
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Yonkers, NY has Electronic Craps. Very similar but the dice are merely displayed on the screen.

Foxwoods had it for a while, but it vanished about a year ago.

edit---Also Mohegan had the Sic Bo/Craps Popper Combo (choose which you want to play on the touch screen) in their Asian area, but they took the Craps option away last time I was there. Still two dice of one color and one of a different color though...



yonkers is real dice but u can only see the 'roll' via video camera?
or digital dice?

and i think i'm going to the aquaduct casino in nyc this weekend just to see their bubble craps game.
or bad idea to go during good friday/easter weekend?
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March 31st, 2012 at 6:28:29 PM permalink
the dice game at yonkers is vegas star..all video, not the bubble that you are talking about.
i would not recommend going to aqueduct on the weekend,
they only have one (possibly two) Organic Dice station (six or eight consoles)
though this is not as crowded as the video dice, it can be hard to get a seat.
if you do go, i think the second station is in the back past the baccarat on the second floor,
this will be less crowded than the station near the circular bar in the middle of the floor.
the last time i was there, that second station was only running sic bo,
but i think that was because it was chinese new year...
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March 31st, 2012 at 9:38:17 PM permalink
casino @ Arundel Mills, MD:
Slated to open in June 2012! Located between Baltimore and Washington DC. The largest gaming facility in Maryland will feature 4,750 slot and electric table games, including black jack, roulette, craps and poker. The second phase of construction will include several upscale dining establishments and an intimate live music venue.

i wonder if this will have bubble craps?
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March 31st, 2012 at 9:39:50 PM permalink
if i call the various bubble craps makers, will they tell me the location of their games?
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March 31st, 2012 at 9:50:08 PM permalink
worth a try...here is a link for the G4 Organic system...


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April 1st, 2012 at 4:20:27 AM permalink
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worth a try...here is a link for the G4 Organic system...




thx! also sent an email to aruze
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April 1st, 2012 at 7:41:28 AM permalink
from shufflemaster website:
Where is Vegas Star currently installed?
There are approximately 2,800 seats of Vegas Star installed across Australia, South East Asia and North America.
A list of Vegas Star installations by game title is available upon request.

Shuffle Master, Inc
1106 Palms Airport Drive,
Las Vegas, NV, 89119 USA
Toll Free: 855-777-SHFL (7435)
Fax: 1 (702) 897 - 2284
SHFL@shufflemaster.com
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April 1st, 2012 at 8:05:41 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

from shufflemaster website:
Where is Vegas Star currently installed?
There are approximately 2,800 seats of Vegas Star installed across Australia, South East Asia and North America.
A list of Vegas Star installations by game title is available upon request.

Shuffle Master, Inc
1106 Palms Airport Drive,
Las Vegas, NV, 89119 USA
Toll Free: 855-777-SHFL (7435)
Fax: 1 (702) 897 - 2284
SHFL@shufflemaster.com



thx but dont care about the Vegas star.
not interested in digital dice
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April 1st, 2012 at 8:08:58 AM permalink
oh yeah, i forgot you were focused on the "bubble"!
let me know if you find it anywhere else in the east.
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April 1st, 2012 at 8:25:58 AM permalink
Aruze website has a "where to play" feature...
Where To Play

but, i am not sure how accurate it is.
i do not think they are still installed in the CT casinos.
maybe try calling the casino?
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April 1st, 2012 at 6:21:11 PM permalink
interblock replied. (it's sun..wow )

i asked about their electronic craps (Organic craps) game on the east coast.
he only gave me one location:
Resorts World in NYC
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April 5th, 2012 at 10:50:59 PM permalink
i went to Resorts World this afternoon.
the dice station i mentioned on the second floor,
is in the back near the buffet.
it's one dice bubble with a display and SIXTY terminals.
i did not play craps, as i was with my friend who is a sic bo addict.
i know the craps limits are $10 min/$200 max,
and i think it was offering 5x,
but i am not sure if that was on everything or part of 3-4-5.

Interblock G4 Organic Dice video
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
100xOdds
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April 6th, 2012 at 3:30:40 PM permalink
thx WongBo!

do u know why AC doesnt offer bubble craps?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
limanofli
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May 4th, 2014 at 8:21:25 PM permalink
resorts at aqueduct racino only offers 2 carousels now with organic bubble craps. Both are on second level, one right in front, 12 seats, one in back behind cashier.
The machine shares the sicbo dice, so there aren't only craps players there.

Regular vegas odds, 3,4,5 times odds. lay, buy place, come, all the same odds payouts.
No hop bets, no fire bets.
Everything else is about the same.
If you bet 10 on the come, and a seven or eleven comes out, the machine takes the bet and puts it into your bank so you have to rebet it again.
Keeps you busy.
Machines rolls every 25 seconds.
The machines tracks the rolls for you so you can see the last 10 sessions of number.
2000 max allowed as total bets on table.
15 dollar min now.Once you bet 15, you can make smaller bets of prop bets.
sddude24
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July 14th, 2014 at 10:02:50 PM permalink
two items about STW "bubble craps"
in Vegas 5x odds machines are at Palms, Hooters, Slotsafun, El Cortez. Not sure of others.
another thing I'm noticing is that for such a new game it is disappearing. Hard Rock, Golden Gate, Downtown Grand and Orleans have all removed theirs recently.
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