Horn High Bets
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In your example it would be placed as $5 on each. With $10 on the high.
Unless you specified it the other way, which would really be a ball busting move which they would try to discourage.
I have never seen a casino allow a horn high that was not divisible by 5.Quote: WongBoMost common if the number is divisible by five, would be to have three equal bets and one doubled up.
It keeps the math simple just as WongBo showed.
The high is always doubled up.
Just divide the bet by 5 to get the unit bet for each number
A few examples:
$35 HH3
35/5 = 7
3 has $14 and other 3 bets $7
$55 HH11
55/5 = 11
11 has $22 and other 3 bets $11
$500 HH12
500/5 = 100
12 has $200 and other 3 bets $100
In my dice dealing days, I have booked all these bets and have paid them all.
The $500 bet hit with a 12 and the high roller was a stiff, never toked.
Quote: james121515When you a horn high bet that is in increments of $5, is the amount that goes on the "high" number always $1? Or is always For example, if you do a $25 horn hi yo, is it $6 on the 2, $6on the 3, $6 on 12, and $7 on yo? Or is it $5 on 2, $5 on 3, $5 on 12, and $10 on yo?
I typically see it by default as four even bets and the smallest odd left over as the "high" (e.g. $10 Horn High as 2,2,2,4), but I have also seen it both ways when the chips move from blue to red. The stick will usually ask if the bet gets that big.
The second one is the proper bet that I have seen.Quote: james121515For example, if you do a $25 horn hi yo, is it $6 on the 2, $6on the 3, $6 on 12, and $7 on yo?
Or is it $5 on 2, $5 on 3, $5 on 12, and $10 on yo?
But one can bet exactly how you have divided up the $25 in your first example.
The stick would just place each amount on each number.
Years ago in Tunica, I watched a dealer place a $25 horn high 11 by putting $5 on the 2, 3 and 12 and $10 on the 11.
The bet lost and no one said anything about it. Seemed to me to be a lot of extra work for the dealer.
Looks good.Quote: james121515So, in general, if you do a horn high N bet of amount K, and N hits, it pays 30*2(K/5) - 3(K/5) for N = 2, 12 and 15*2(K/5) - 3(K/5) for N = 3, 11.
So, $45 horn hi ace-deuce would pay $243 if it hits, because you have $18 on the 3 and $9 on the other numbers. It would NOT pay $147, which is what I previously thought (i.e. having $11 on 2, 11, 12 and $12 on 3). Right?
The $243 assumes the player wants the same bet.
Most times, at that bet amount, the player wants to bet more and maybe even change the high number.
Or he could just ask for the bet to come down. That would be the same total payoff ($18*15) plus the winning part of the bet ($18) and down.
I saw one lucky player hit and press the horn high 4 times in a row to the table max. On the 3rd hit of HHYo, he then pressed the HHYo and put $100 on the Yo. Of course it hit and the TABLE WENT NUTS! The suits were sweating the money.
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But one can bet exactly how you have divided up the $25 in your first example.
The stick would just place each amount on each number.
Years ago in Tunica, I watched a dealer place a $25 horn high 11 by putting $5 on the 2, 3 and 12 and $10 on the 11.
The bet lost and no one said anything about it. Seemed to me to be a lot of extra work for the dealer.
Wait, so in your opinion it was unusual that the dealer did that? I thought you said that was the proper way. So are you sayig you would have expected him to have done $8 on 2, 3, 12 and $11 on 11? To me the math seems so much harder if you do it that way. For example, $35 horn hi aces doing it that way. Just to figure out how much goes on each number you would have to compute
(35 - 35 mod 4)/4 = 8 for each of the "low" numbers, and then 8 + 35 mod 4 = 11 for the high number. Actually computing the payoff would be even harder.
Quote:I saw one lucky player hit and press the horn high 4 times in a row to the table max. On the 3rd hit of HHYo, he then pressed the HHYo and put $100 on the Yo. Of course it hit and the TABLE WENT NUTS! The suits were sweating the money.
Awesome thanks for your help! About the suits sweating the money, I just don't get it. I mean come on, really? I've been playing craps for about 4 years now, and the hottest roll I've been a part of was two weeks ago. My brother and I were playing, and next to us was this drunk guy with about $400 in his rail and buys a $3500 marker. He starts betting $25 on the line with $500 odds, and two come bets. All of sudden, this one guy gets the dice and starts to roll. The guy next to me has bases loaded with $25 come bets with $1000 odds on each number. While I'm happy with all my "$28 same bet please" rolling in, the guy next to me is going "off and on for $2025, off and on for $1225, off and on for $1525 etc. etc." every roll for the next 30 mins or so. He did a 5 way hard 10 and 4 (him, shooter, me, my bro, and the dealers), which he parlayed. Next thing I know I'm up $1000, he's up almost $90,000! The supervisor was standing behind the boxman and she looked like her head was about to explode. Her face was turning red and she was visibly having a nervous breakdown. I just don't understand why they care so much? It's not like it's their money, and it's not like a portion of the casino's losses at that one table are going to come out of her paycheck. And it's not like the casino isn't going to make that back. In fact, I'm sure some other guy LOST just as much if not more at a Blackjack table that day.
Most layouts that I have seen have boxes for the 4 horn high bets.Quote: james121515Quote:
But one can bet exactly how you have divided up the $25 in your first example.
The stick would just place each amount on each number.
Years ago in Tunica, I watched a dealer place a $25 horn high 11 by putting $5 on the 2, 3 and 12 and $10 on the 11.
The bet lost and no one said anything about it. Seemed to me to be a lot of extra work for the dealer.
Wait, so in your opinion it was unusual that the dealer did that? I thought you said that was the proper way. So are you sayig you would have expected him to have done $8 on 2, 3, 12 and $11 on 11? To me the math seems so much harder if you do it that way. For example, $35 horn hi aces doing it that way. Just to figure out how much goes on each number you would have to compute
(35 - 35 mod 4)/4 = 8 for each of the "low" numbers, and then 8 + 35 mod 4 = 11 for the high number. Actually computing the payoff would be even harder.
He did not use the box for the horn high 11. It would have been so much easier to put the $25 there instead of what he did. And most dealers do it that way.
Quote:It would have been so much easier to put the $25 there instead of what he did. And most dealers do it that way.
Yes, that is also what I have seen on most layouts, and actually that is the reason I asked. I was wondering what, assuming the player does not specify, is the default payout of a horn high bet (which is based on a strictly mental breakdown of the bet in the dealer's head)
Dealers and Stick will, or should, ask the player if he wants the same bet. That was a real common procedure when I dealt the game.Quote: james121515I was wondering what, assuming the player does not specify, is the default payout of a horn high bet
(which is based on a strictly mental breakdown of the bet in the dealer's head)
That way they know what road to take.
I'd also say by asking 80% would keep the bet up to win again and when not asked, 80% would want the bet back.
The house wants the bet up to win again.
Most good dealers have the horn high bets memorized from $5 to $25, those being the most common bet amounts.
Craps dealers are not perfect, even tho' many think they are, and many times the old brain just does not want to work.
So the fall back is divide the bet by 5. Now what number hit? and so on.
Quote: james121515When you a horn high bet that is in increments of $5, is the amount that goes on the "high" number always $1? Or is always For example, if you do a $25 horn hi yo, is it $6 on the 2, $6on the 3, $6 on 12, and $7 on yo? Or is it $5 on 2, $5 on 3, $5 on 12, and $10 on yo?
The standard is: for every $5N booked in a Horn-High zone, $N is counted to be on each one of three horn numbers and $2N is counted to be on the horn number seen in the particular Horn-High zone. The purpose of Horn, Horn High, C&E, and Whirl betting zones is to (1) favor the player's impulse to make high-profit-margin bets easily and (2) make the tracking of popular side bets convenient. A player making a $5 Horn-High-Yo, by definition, is making a bet of $1 on each of 2, 3, and 12 and and a bet of $2 on 11 - it's what "Horn High Yo" really means. The separate zone simply lowers his inhibition by allowing him to bet "big" more quickly and reduces the chance of someone else's bet on any of the numbers being confused with his. A nuanced $25 bet made up of $6 on each Crap with $7 on 11 would not be a true Horn-High-Yo and would best be made in four separate strokes.
a $5 HH11 bet would pay $15,
a $15 HH11 bet would pay $45,
a $45 HH11 bet would pay $135,
a $135 HH11 bet would pay $405,
a $405 HH11 bet would pay $1215,
a $1,000 HH11 (table max) bet would pay $3,000.
So 6 3's in a row pays the table max.
If I'm trying to parlay my wins on the HH11 and I keep rolling 11's which pay 15 to 1,
a $5 HH11 bet would pay $30,
a $30 HH11 bet would pay $180,
a $180 HH11 bet would pay $1080,
a $1,000 HH11 (table max) bet would pay $6,000.
So 4 yo's in a row pays table max.
If I win on the 30 to 1 bets, they count as yo's for half the bet and pay the same amount.
What Does the Horn High Pay on a Craps Game?
The Horn High’s are some of the most confusing bets to pay on a Craps table. There are only four payments you need to know in order to pay all the bets but it’s knowing when to apply each of those four numbers that makes paying them so difficult. You need to understand a few things before you’ll be able to figure out the payments of the Horn Highs right off the bat.
Directly - the Horn High that you bet is the number that rolled. For example, you bet the Horn High Twelve and the Twelve rolled or you bet the Horn High Ace Deuce and the Ace Deuce roll. That is a direct hit.
Indirectly - one of the other numbers rolled. For example, you bet the Horn High Aces and the Twelve rolled or you bet the Horn High Yo and the Aces roll. Those are indirect hits.
High Side - The Horn High Aces and the Horn High Twelve pay the exact same when they hit directly or indirectly because both the Aces and the Twelve pay 30 to 1. They are both considered the high side.
Low Side - The Horn High Ace Deuce and the Horn High Yo pay the exact same when they hit directly or indirectly because both the Ace Deuce and the Yo pay 15 to 1. They are both considered the low side.
A Horn High will pay one of 4 payments
$57 - High side hits directly. For example, Horn High Twelve, and Twelve rolls.
$27 - Low side hits directly. For example, Horn High Yo, and Yo rolls.
$26 - High side hits indirectly. For example, Horn High Ace Deuce, and Twelve Rolls.
$11 - Low side hits indirectly. For example, Horn High Aces, and Yo rolls.
Quote: ChumpChangehttps://www.parlaynation.com/horn-high
What Does the Horn High Pay on a Craps Game?
The Horn High’s are some of the most confusing bets to pay on a Craps table. There are only four payments you need to know in order to pay all the bets but it’s knowing when to apply each of those four numbers that makes paying them so difficult. You need to understand a few things before you’ll be able to figure out the payments of the Horn Highs right off the bat.
Directly - the Horn High that you bet is the number that rolled. For example, you bet the Horn High Twelve and the Twelve rolled or you bet the Horn High Ace Deuce and the Ace Deuce roll. That is a direct hit.
Indirectly - one of the other numbers rolled. For example, you bet the Horn High Aces and the Twelve rolled or you bet the Horn High Yo and the Aces roll. Those are indirect hits.
High Side - The Horn High Aces and the Horn High Twelve pay the exact same when they hit directly or indirectly because both the Aces and the Twelve pay 30 to 1. They are both considered the high side.
Low Side - The Horn High Ace Deuce and the Horn High Yo pay the exact same when they hit directly or indirectly because both the Ace Deuce and the Yo pay 15 to 1. They are both considered the low side.
A Horn High will pay one of 4 payments
$57 - High side hits directly. For example, Horn High Twelve, and Twelve rolls.
$27 - Low side hits directly. For example, Horn High Yo, and Yo rolls.
$26 - High side hits indirectly. For example, Horn High Ace Deuce, and Twelve Rolls.
$11 - Low side hits indirectly. For example, Horn High Aces, and Yo rolls.
Too complicated.
When you bet a horn high anything only the number rolled gets paid. If you want to keep the horn high bet up for another roll, the cost of the three losing bets is deducted from the payoff.
That's the simple way.
How many in a row can I hit? 1? 2? 3? More?
The Horn bet has a $4 minimum and a $150 maximum. I'm gonna count that as a $140 maximum because $35 x 4 = $140.
I'm working on a betting system that doubles up the bet on each win in a row, and returns to the base bet on a loss.
So it'd go from $4, $8, $16, $32, $60, $120, $140 on the Bubble Craps, and on the 8th hit I'd win up somewhere between $1K to $3K.
On a table, I know everybody likes to bet the Horn on the Come-out roll to hedge their bets, but I'd save this progression for after I've already established a point so I don't give the line bettors whiplash with my DI.
My progression would be Horn High 11 at: $5, $10, $20, $40, $80, $160, $250 ($500 table max payout of $1500).
The last bet will repeat if I keep winning.
Somebody on the internet said they hit 7 Horn numbers in a row. I think you have to try for it, but there's always dumb luck.
WinCraps reminds me that I will lose every roll.
Quote: ChumpChangeI've never bet a horn bet or a horn high bet.
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It's a bad bet.
Fun, perhaps, but with a brutal HA.
