Crapless Craps has descended on Kansas City area casinos

I have recently taken an interest in craps. I finally hit a brick wall playing Ultimate Texas Hold'em. It seemed like for a month, I could never lose. But, then all good things must come to an end. Anyways, I started to study up on craps and played online to make sure that I wouldn't make to much of an ass of myself stepping up to an actual craps table.

I finally got the nerve up to try craps on the way to Harrah's North Kansas City. I got there on a weekday evening and there were two craps tables open, one was completely empty and the other was packed full. That should have been my first clue, but I went over to the empty table and dropped 200. I went to put my pass line bet down and realized that the table layout was different. I asked why it was and they said it was a new Crapless Craps table. I said ok and proceeded to ask what differences it made. I played one pass line bet and left. I went and played games I was much more familiar with. I looked up Crapless Craps when I got home and I am glad that I didn't waste my money playing.

Today, I made my normal mid-day trip to the other casino that I play at in town, Argosy Riverside. Again, I got up the nerve to play craps on the way. Again I walked in and there were two tables open, one was empty and the other was packed. I walked over to the empty table to check out why and quickly figured it out. It was a Crapless Craps table also. I walked around and played some slots and went back later. The regular craps table had thinned out, but the table limit was $10, which is too rich for me, especially when trying a new game out.

I haven't been to Isle of Capri or Ameristar KC recently, but I'm disappointed that my two favorite places have decided to opt for a game that modifies a classic and gives a HUGE edge to the house. The Isle sucks and is full of homeless/dirt poor people so I doubt I would ever play there, even if they have $3 craps early in the morning.

Quote: joeinkc

I asked why it was and they said it was a new Crapless Craps table. I said ok and proceeded to ask what differences it made. I played one pass line bet and left. I went and played games I was much more familiar with. I looked up Crapless Craps when I got home and I am glad that I didn't waste my money playing.

I haven't been to Isle of Capri or Ameristar KC recently, but I'm disappointed that my two favorite places have decided to opt for a game that modifies a classic and gives a HUGE edge to the house. The Isle sucks and is full of homeless/dirt poor people so I doubt I would ever play there, even if they have $3 craps early in the morning.

First off, Harrah's Crapless Table isn't new at all... they've had that since I lived there in 2008. It doesn't get much action except on weekends, but I've seen them close the other tables and leave that one open. In fact, I think Argosy and Ameristar both have had Crapless for a long time. It's popular in St Louis too.

Second, I don't like Ameristar myself. However, IoC has taken great steps to try be a bit more upscale. From a table games perspective, they have the most double deck tables at affordable levels, and they have cleaned up a bit... that's relative, because it's still the homeless hangout, but I don't think they police the place enough. I've never had any problems there, though I've never felt comfortable there. I was a Harrahs/Argosy guy myself.

Joe,

I play craps at all these places, except Isle. Can give you some pointers if you'd like sometime. Just PM me if you want. I find the Argosy craps crews the best in town... IMO...

When i asked at harrahs, the dealer made it clear that it was new. Maybe the table was physically new and not the game itself. I have no idea if the game itself existed there before since I never payed attention. That's just the way they phrased it to me.

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When i asked at harrahs, the dealer made it clear that it was new. Maybe the table was physically new and not the game itself. I have no idea if the game itself existed there before since I never payed attention. That's just the way they phrased it to me.

I was at Harrah's in July of last year. When I was there, I noticed a BUNCH of new dealers and that was before Hollywood opened up. It would not surprise me if most of the crew is new, so it's probably new to them. But the crapless table has been across from the High Limit gaming area ever since I started playing there.

Quote: joeinkc

I looked up Crapless Craps when I got home and I am glad that I didn't waste my money playing.

Do they realize that simply paying Natural 7's @ 6-to-5 would reduce the Pass/Come HE to a much more appealing 2.0%?

Crapless Craps is not new to the KC area. I lived in the area back in 2008-2009 and both Harrahs and Ameristar had crapless. It was actually a fairly packed table when I'd go to Ameristar.