Shooter Walks Mid-hand
February 29th, 2012 at 6:17:36 AM
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I was playing craps at a casino in PA yesterday at a very hot table.
(I had a nice thirty roll turn and made about 2K.)
Everyone had multiple bets across the board and the props were getting a ton of action.
This real nice old guy was shooting, making points like crazy.
After about twenty minutes he just says he has to go to the John and he walks!
The box tells the stick to pass the dice, that the next shooter will finish that turn then take his own turn.
The next shooter grabs two and tosses them before anyone at the other end knew what happened.
He throws a seven (of course) and this ends the old guy's turn,
the dealers start to clear the table.
A lot of the guys at the far end went nuts.
They were pissed that the box didn't even give them a chance to take down their places.
Some guys thought they should have also been able to take down their props (not hardways).
Four guys left the table, pissed.
The box was a real classic prick of a money sweating hard-on.
He was smiling like a cat that just ate a canary.
All he could say is that it was standard industry policy.
I said to him that he was
1. Wrong, he should have let them take down at least the place bets and come odds.
2. An idiot for letting four guys walk away from his table after each one had taken at least 2 grand from his box!
Wiped the smile right off his piggy face...
How is this handled on the Strip? Should they have been given more notice to take their bets back?
Would they be allowed to cancel their props as well?
(I had a nice thirty roll turn and made about 2K.)
Everyone had multiple bets across the board and the props were getting a ton of action.
This real nice old guy was shooting, making points like crazy.
After about twenty minutes he just says he has to go to the John and he walks!
The box tells the stick to pass the dice, that the next shooter will finish that turn then take his own turn.
The next shooter grabs two and tosses them before anyone at the other end knew what happened.
He throws a seven (of course) and this ends the old guy's turn,
the dealers start to clear the table.
A lot of the guys at the far end went nuts.
They were pissed that the box didn't even give them a chance to take down their places.
Some guys thought they should have also been able to take down their props (not hardways).
Four guys left the table, pissed.
The box was a real classic prick of a money sweating hard-on.
He was smiling like a cat that just ate a canary.
All he could say is that it was standard industry policy.
I said to him that he was
1. Wrong, he should have let them take down at least the place bets and come odds.
2. An idiot for letting four guys walk away from his table after each one had taken at least 2 grand from his box!
Wiped the smile right off his piggy face...
How is this handled on the Strip? Should they have been given more notice to take their bets back?
Would they be allowed to cancel their props as well?
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:30:48 AM
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They should have been given an opportunity to take down or turn off anything that could be.
What happened after that replacement shooter threw the 7? Was he given the dice again?
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I saw a similar thing happen at the ShowBoat in AC this past December.
A player decided he didn't want to shoot anymore.
The boxman (floorman?) then stopped the game to make sure everyone was aware of what happened. He also went on to say that the new shooter was merely finishing the original shooter's roll, and would get to play out his own roll when the original roll ended. (He was careful to not say "seven out".) He then asked if everyone understood.
I do NOT recall him specifically asking if anyone wants to change their bets, but at that point, there was opportunity to do so.
The replacement shooter had a decent roll to finish the original shooters roll, followed by another decent roll of his own.
What happened after that replacement shooter threw the 7? Was he given the dice again?
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I saw a similar thing happen at the ShowBoat in AC this past December.
A player decided he didn't want to shoot anymore.
The boxman (floorman?) then stopped the game to make sure everyone was aware of what happened. He also went on to say that the new shooter was merely finishing the original shooter's roll, and would get to play out his own roll when the original roll ended. (He was careful to not say "seven out".) He then asked if everyone understood.
I do NOT recall him specifically asking if anyone wants to change their bets, but at that point, there was opportunity to do so.
The replacement shooter had a decent roll to finish the original shooters roll, followed by another decent roll of his own.
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February 29th, 2012 at 6:42:50 AM
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No one can be compelled to roll the dice. A shooter can quit shooting at any time for any reason and without disclosing any reason. He can remain at the table but simply refuse to finish his roll if he really wants to. The house can NOT compel anyone to shoot.
However, particularly at a jammed up table, when anything unusual is happening, the Stick and Box should slow the game down to be certain that everyone has had time to make whatever bets they want to. Some players are very superstitious about a shooter walking away from a roll ... the Box should slow things down.
Now if you think the Box was getting a little carried away with himself, a statement to the Shift Manager or Casino Manager that the Box caused N Number of angry players to walk away with X dollars of the casinos money which they will promptly lose back at a competitor's casino may get the Box written up with a warning.
The rule is clear though: ANY player can simply state "I don't care to shoot any more" and the dice rotate as they normally would but the next shooter does not lose his turn, he simply completes the original shooter's roll.
However, particularly at a jammed up table, when anything unusual is happening, the Stick and Box should slow the game down to be certain that everyone has had time to make whatever bets they want to. Some players are very superstitious about a shooter walking away from a roll ... the Box should slow things down.
Now if you think the Box was getting a little carried away with himself, a statement to the Shift Manager or Casino Manager that the Box caused N Number of angry players to walk away with X dollars of the casinos money which they will promptly lose back at a competitor's casino may get the Box written up with a warning.
The rule is clear though: ANY player can simply state "I don't care to shoot any more" and the dice rotate as they normally would but the next shooter does not lose his turn, he simply completes the original shooter's roll.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:51:27 AM
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I completely agree with and understand the rules regarding the passing of the dice.
What I and others disagreed with was the speed which the box had the dice pass without informing half the table.
The new shooter had just stepped up and I am sure the box knew
That every non-contract bet on that table was going to come down.
And yes the new shooter got to take his own turn afterwards which was uneventful and short.
What I and others disagreed with was the speed which the box had the dice pass without informing half the table.
The new shooter had just stepped up and I am sure the box knew
That every non-contract bet on that table was going to come down.
And yes the new shooter got to take his own turn afterwards which was uneventful and short.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:12:48 AM
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Yes, the Boxman was rude.
But, really, the odds are the same no matter who shoots.
But, really, the odds are the same no matter who shoots.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
February 29th, 2012 at 7:24:12 AM
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It isn't about odds, it's about etiquette, courtesy and some superstition!
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:30:01 AM
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The box did nothing wrong.
The shooter is nothing more than a random number generator; a fungible good; one is no different than the other.
It seems also that the new substitute shooter hurried things along, not the box man:
This nonsense about taking bets down if there is a new shooter is nothing but a silly superstition.
Of course the greedy players complained: many self-absorbed craps players rely on superstition to try and gain an advantage, and to explain / justify an outcome, which of course is infantile and ridiculous.
Would they have complained if the geezer went on a monster roll?
Seven happens.
The shooter is nothing more than a random number generator; a fungible good; one is no different than the other.
It seems also that the new substitute shooter hurried things along, not the box man:
Quote: WongBoAfter about twenty minutes he just says he has to go to the John and he walks!
The box tells the stick to pass the dice, that the next shooter will finish that turn then take his own turn.
The next shooter grabs two and tosses them before anyone at the other end knew what happened.
This nonsense about taking bets down if there is a new shooter is nothing but a silly superstition.
Of course the greedy players complained: many self-absorbed craps players rely on superstition to try and gain an advantage, and to explain / justify an outcome, which of course is infantile and ridiculous.
Would they have complained if the geezer went on a monster roll?
Seven happens.
"What, me worry?"
February 29th, 2012 at 7:32:42 AM
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Quote: WongBoIt isn't about odds, it's about etiquette, courtesy and some superstition!
About etiquette and courtesy, I agreed the Boxman was rude.
As far as superstition goes, well, it's not worth alienating customers over. But if I'd been at that table, I wouldn't have walked away.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
February 29th, 2012 at 7:38:12 AM
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You're right, of course.Quote: MrVThis nonsense about taking bets down if there is a new shooter is nothing but a silly superstition.
But you won't find a more superstitious bunch, than a crowd at a craps table.
And maybe you're right. Maybe it was the shooter who was too quick. But did the new shooter grab the dice, or did the stick move them to the new shooter too quickly?
For what it's worth, when it happened at that table at ShowBoat, I do not recall anyone changing their bets. But they had the opportunity.
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February 29th, 2012 at 7:40:41 AM
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Quote: WongBoI was playing craps at a casino in PA yesterday at a very hot table.
(I had a nice thirty roll turn and made about 2K.)
Everyone had multiple bets across the board and the props were getting a ton of action.
This real nice old guy was shooting, making points like crazy.
After about twenty minutes he just says he has to go to the John and he walks!
The box tells the stick to pass the dice, that the next shooter will finish that turn then take his own turn.
The next shooter grabs two and tosses them before anyone at the other end knew what happened.
He throws a seven (of course) and this ends the old guy's turn,
the dealers start to clear the table.
A lot of the guys at the far end went nuts.
They were pissed that the box didn't even give them a chance to take down their places.
Some guys thought they should have also been able to take down their props (not hardways).
Four guys left the table, pissed.
The box was a real classic prick of a money sweating hard-on.
He was smiling like a cat that just ate a canary.
All he could say is that it was standard industry policy.
I said to him that he was
1. Wrong, he should have let them take down at least the place bets and come odds.
2. An idiot for letting four guys walk away from his table after each one had taken at least 2 grand from his box!
Wiped the smile right off his piggy face...
How is this handled on the Strip? Should they have been given more notice to take their bets back?
Would they be allowed to cancel their props as well?
On the strip, all the old guys wear adult diapers.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
February 29th, 2012 at 7:47:41 AM
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The boxman was just a total jerk the whole time everyone was winning.
You are dead wrong if you think he shouldn't have informed the other half of the table.
Yes the new shooter was a little quick as well, but he was a complete novice.
If you've ever played the game you know people are fickle about shooters and about superstitions.
Even if you want to play the devils advocate and take the box's side..
At least ten thousand dollars in chips walked away after his little maneuver.
Right or wrong that's five stacks of black that went straight to the parking lot.
You are dead wrong if you think he shouldn't have informed the other half of the table.
Yes the new shooter was a little quick as well, but he was a complete novice.
If you've ever played the game you know people are fickle about shooters and about superstitions.
Even if you want to play the devils advocate and take the box's side..
At least ten thousand dollars in chips walked away after his little maneuver.
Right or wrong that's five stacks of black that went straight to the parking lot.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:30:49 AM
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I'd argue a shooter can't be "too quick." It's up to the stick to gauge when to pass the dice. If players need more time then keep them in the middle.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:38:03 AM
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Quote: MrVThe box did nothing wrong.
This nonsense about taking bets down if there is a new shooter is nothing but a silly superstition.
So what if its nothing but a silly superstition.
Its a case of "running over"... The stick has to back the pace of the game off a bit so as not to run over a too-slow dealer who is jammed up, the Box has to confirm the pace as being acceptable. The Box KNEW all these silly superstitious players would want to change bets and he simply kept the pace up and the somewhat remote event quiet and ran over the players at the other end of the table intentionally.
>Seven happens.
Yes, and so does common courtesy in making a clear and loud statement about the change of shooter to alert the entire table and allowing a reasonable time for those silly superstitious players to do their thing and the far-end dealer to do his thing before the dice suddenly are flying.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:43:28 AM
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And that is why Shift Manager or Casino Manager should be alerted. Because its always Wrong for that to happen as a result of a crew member being a jerk, even if the inexperienced next shooter acted a little hastily and this could not have been foreseen. All those disgruntled players carrying the stacks out to the parking lot to play elsewhere can't be wrong! They might be superstitious, they might even be excessively superstitious but they are irate customers due to something the Boxman did and not at all due to the fact that "sevens happen".Quote: WongBoRight or wrong that's five stacks of black that went straight to the parking lot.
Players who stay at the table cursing the Seven are one thing, players who stalk out cursing the Crew is another.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:52:08 AM
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I've had plenty of times that the stick has shoved the dice at me while there were hands, chips, cash, and confused conversations being exchanged between players and dealer at the other end of the table. Unless there is a player who is clueless or being a jerk down there, I hold off and don't touch anything until they appear to be ready. I have had stickmen try to get me to shoot even when it is clear that there is a problem on the table. Now if some jerk repeatedly is reaching out over the table with cash or chips after the dice have been moved, I do my best to hit him hard in the forearm or higher with the dice, just to get his attention. I have considered overhand throws in a few cases, but I don't think I have ever really done that.Quote: sunrise089I'd argue a shooter can't be "too quick." It's up to the stick to gauge when to pass the dice. If players need more time then keep them in the middle.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:00:06 AM
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I'd say the boxman did a terrible job of customer service...
If it were me and I had big $$ out on the layout, and I noticed it, I would have immediately grabbed the dice as they went out and stopped the fuggin game...if the boxman wanted to do something about it I'd have asked him to do something about it (What? Ask me to leave when I'm already GOING to?)
We all have to remember...it's a casino...not a brain surgeon convention...
If it were me and I had big $$ out on the layout, and I noticed it, I would have immediately grabbed the dice as they went out and stopped the fuggin game...if the boxman wanted to do something about it I'd have asked him to do something about it (What? Ask me to leave when I'm already GOING to?)
We all have to remember...it's a casino...not a brain surgeon convention...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
February 29th, 2012 at 9:06:33 AM
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Yes, sometimes the Stick is a bit overly anxious to keep the pace up and I tend to be a little "slow" if I feel the other end is having some problems or there is a sea of hands moving about. The first time my companion was pushed the dice she picked them up and asked if everyone was ready, the stickman immediately said YES. Well, technically he is correct: once the stickman pushes the dice out to the shooter, everyone is ready whether they like it or not and the shooter is not supposed to ask, particularly when there are only three players at the whole table! It was a bit humorous to me, but it was her first time at a craps table.
In the event causing so many disgruntled players to storm out to the parking lot, the Box and the Stick knew what they were doing! That is what is wrong about it.
In the event causing so many disgruntled players to storm out to the parking lot, the Box and the Stick knew what they were doing! That is what is wrong about it.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:27:07 AM
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They may have been happy to see all these guys leave as they were getting soaked but,
Conversely, the odds are always working against every bet and these guys were all heavy prop bettors.
They would have given a large portion back if they had continued playing.
Most people lose a good bit before they realize a table has gone cold.
They raised the limit from $10 to $15 soon after this,
I guess to flick the rest of the fleas.
Whatever, I just think when they act like blatant predators it makes people less likely to tip
And more importantly, less likely to go out of their way to return.
As far as the other players go, if they have hands out I will shout right at them HANDS UP and then toss my sky high lob.
Conversely, the odds are always working against every bet and these guys were all heavy prop bettors.
They would have given a large portion back if they had continued playing.
Most people lose a good bit before they realize a table has gone cold.
They raised the limit from $10 to $15 soon after this,
I guess to flick the rest of the fleas.
Whatever, I just think when they act like blatant predators it makes people less likely to tip
And more importantly, less likely to go out of their way to return.
As far as the other players go, if they have hands out I will shout right at them HANDS UP and then toss my sky high lob.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:31:32 AM
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May 2010 at Bill's at the Rapid Craps table, I caught the tail end of a rather long roll (alas I couldn't find a spot on the table). The guy held the dice low to the table and rolled rather than threw them. Eventually, of course, he sevened-out. Now, it could be that due to the way eh rolled and the way he set the dice, seven became unlikely. or he was just lucky.
So suppose I'd been playing, putting up pass line and come bets with full odss like crazy, and the guy up and quits mid-roll. Maybe I'd have taken down my bets, maybe not. But even if I didn't get the chance, I would have thought that the odds are the same regardless of who rolls.
Would I leave the table due to the rudeness of the dealers? Maybe. But then I often leave the table when I'm ahead. No point letting all that money find its way back to the casino's pocket.
So suppose I'd been playing, putting up pass line and come bets with full odss like crazy, and the guy up and quits mid-roll. Maybe I'd have taken down my bets, maybe not. But even if I didn't get the chance, I would have thought that the odds are the same regardless of who rolls.
Would I leave the table due to the rudeness of the dealers? Maybe. But then I often leave the table when I'm ahead. No point letting all that money find its way back to the casino's pocket.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
February 29th, 2012 at 9:42:53 AM
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Many people leave after a monster roll believing that's as good as it's going to get.
A lot of people who have superstitions still understand the math and they know there is no such thing as a hot or cold table.
Perhaps the guys at this table yesterday would have colored out when the shooter sevened, can't say
I just think it's better for business when the crew, including the box, are friendly and looking out for the players.
A lot of people who have superstitions still understand the math and they know there is no such thing as a hot or cold table.
Perhaps the guys at this table yesterday would have colored out when the shooter sevened, can't say
I just think it's better for business when the crew, including the box, are friendly and looking out for the players.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:10:48 AM
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Quote: NareedYes, the Boxman was rude.
But, really, the odds are the same no matter who shoots.
Exactly!
"I don't have a gambling problem. I have a financial problem."
February 29th, 2012 at 11:16:26 AM
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Screw superstition -- the shooter was going to roll a random number.
The box was wrong to hurry the dice out to the next shooter. But, the shooter could have easily slown the dice down. It would have taken *one* player to pull down their bets to stop the dice from throwing. You noticed that the shooter left for the bathroom, and you know that the next person would be shooting. That's the rules. As soon as the dice are pulled, if you have the "superstition", you should be able to call off all of your bets. Were the dealers getting tipped?
I play alot of craps, and don't buy into the stick change "7", different shooters, and so on. But it's always the player's responsibility to know where the dice are and what bets they have.
What would be said if that quick shooter simply threw the point?
The box was wrong to hurry the dice out to the next shooter. But, the shooter could have easily slown the dice down. It would have taken *one* player to pull down their bets to stop the dice from throwing. You noticed that the shooter left for the bathroom, and you know that the next person would be shooting. That's the rules. As soon as the dice are pulled, if you have the "superstition", you should be able to call off all of your bets. Were the dealers getting tipped?
I play alot of craps, and don't buy into the stick change "7", different shooters, and so on. But it's always the player's responsibility to know where the dice are and what bets they have.
What would be said if that quick shooter simply threw the point?
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February 29th, 2012 at 11:41:36 AM
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The shooter was at position two and the new one at position one.
not everyone could see what was going on at the far end of the table as there was a ton of action at both ends..
The box had the stick hustle the dice out before anyone knew what was going on.
The new shooter was just a dumb kid who did what the stick told him.
It was just shitty customer service.
I know a lot of you guys love casino management and a lot of you just live to argue, and I'm sure some are trolls,
Whatever, I still say it was shitty. The boxman was an asshole in many other ways as well.
not everyone could see what was going on at the far end of the table as there was a ton of action at both ends..
The box had the stick hustle the dice out before anyone knew what was going on.
The new shooter was just a dumb kid who did what the stick told him.
It was just shitty customer service.
I know a lot of you guys love casino management and a lot of you just live to argue, and I'm sure some are trolls,
Whatever, I still say it was shitty. The boxman was an asshole in many other ways as well.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 29th, 2012 at 2:18:30 PM
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A boxman like that got fired from where I frequent...it doesn't pay to be a dick.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
February 29th, 2012 at 8:28:17 PM
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Quote: Doc... Now if some jerk repeatedly is reaching out over the table with cash or chips after the dice have been moved, I do my best to hit him hard in the forearm or higher with the dice, just to get his attention. I have considered overhand throws in a few cases, but I don't think I have ever really done that.
Note to self. Must always remember to play craps with Doc, on the same side of the table.......
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February 29th, 2012 at 8:29:53 PM
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which PA casino?
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February 29th, 2012 at 8:35:04 PM
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Quote: DocNow if some jerk repeatedly is reaching out over the table with cash or chips after the dice have been moved, I do my best to hit him hard in the forearm or higher with the dice, just to get his attention. I have considered overhand throws in a few cases, but I don't think I have ever really done that.
That does t for me. We have to play craps at WoVCon, and take side bets on your pitching skills ;)
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
February 29th, 2012 at 8:43:36 PM
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I've thrown dice at people before. I've tossed dice enough to know to bounce them off the table into the person. I got a warning from the pit once on that.
I'm not debating that the stickman was awful, but like I said, you gotta know what's going on.
I'm not debating that the stickman was awful, but like I said, you gotta know what's going on.
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March 1st, 2012 at 12:31:32 AM
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Quote: DocNow if some jerk repeatedly is reaching out over the table with cash or chips after the dice have been moved, I do my best to hit him hard in the forearm or higher with the dice, just to get his attention. I have considered overhand throws in a few cases, but I don't think I have ever really done that.
Yep, I do the same thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, but in repeated incidents of someone being an ass, it's time for target practice. Dice out, hands up!
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 1st, 2012 at 9:41:45 AM
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I've had it happen to me before, but never when a guy was going to the bathroom. Might it also be "commercial practice" to wait for the shooter to return if he has been on a really long roll? (Yes, I know it doesn't matter, but craps players are very superstitious, after all). I think they should have held the dice or announced very clearly that the dice were being passed to the next shooter.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
March 1st, 2012 at 10:07:09 AM
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Quote: Doc... Now if some jerk repeatedly is reaching out over the table with cash or chips after the dice have been moved, I do my best to hit him hard in the forearm or higher with the dice, just to get his attention. I have considered overhand throws in a few cases, but I don't think I have ever really done that.
Quote: RaleighCrapsNote to self. Must always remember to play craps with Doc, on the same side of the table.......
Or wear your hockey gear...
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
March 1st, 2012 at 9:51:04 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaOr wear your hockey gear...
Do you know how hard it is to handle chips with hockey gloves on?
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back !
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March 1st, 2012 at 10:57:55 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsDo you know how hard it is to handle chips with hockey gloves on?
Real men don't handle chips: they just keep pressing.
"What, me worry?"
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:56:12 AM
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Quote:wear your hockey gear...
I'm usually seen just wearing a pith helmet and a jock strap.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:04:11 AM
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Quote: MrVReal men don't handle chips: they just keep pressing.
LOL, it's almost laughable...but I know a couple guys that SERIOUSLY just say "Press/Parlay" to EVERYTHING...
They'll go $200 outside and $5 on all the Hardways and it's just P/P!! Eventually the HOUSE presses the bets...right into the bank, LOL.
Only ONCE did I see them slow down on the Parlay's of the HardWays...when a shooter KEPT rolling them and they got to $100 on each hard way...fugg that! If you're going to go, don't stop till you get to table MAX!
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
March 2nd, 2012 at 9:07:26 AM
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Quote: TIMSPEEDOnly ONCE did I see them slow down on the Parlay's of the HardWays...when a shooter KEPT rolling them and they got to $100 on each hard way...fugg that! If you're going to go, don't stop till you get to table MAX!
Interesting "system," to press continually until the table max is hit, then haul in big bucks til the cows come home.
You won't win often, but when you do: Holy Mackerel!
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