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AlanMendelson
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October 1st, 2013 at 7:55:34 AM permalink
As I said in the LVRJ article, they had to have "inside help" to pull it off. Initial talk was that several employees were fired. I've been waiting for a link to employee participation. Has there ever been one?
mds
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March 14th, 2014 at 6:36:48 AM permalink
Just curious, any updates on this?
AcesAndEights
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March 14th, 2014 at 11:35:13 AM permalink
Quote: mds

Just curious, any updates on this?


Yeah, this story never had an ending, that I saw...
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
SanchoPanza
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March 14th, 2014 at 7:08:28 PM permalink
Based on Dabul's Facebook page, everything seems to be going along fine, by all appearances.
CharlieGamer
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May 13th, 2014 at 9:37:05 PM permalink
I've read all this debate about card counters and cheating. I'd like to tell you the history of card counting in a nice western democratic country. Probably, it does give any options for card counters in Vegas, but you'll like the story anyway.

In this country the casinos didn't know much about card counting and card counters faced no countermeasures (to the point that players yelled the current count to their friends accross the floor) until someday the casinos realized why these guys where winning (it took years). Despite, the law allowing casinos to bar players without any justification, the barred players started civil action against the casinos and won (some cases even reached the Supreme Court). The legal justification was the casinos were "abusing their legal right" i.e. they have the power to bar a player without telling him a reason, but using this right to bar players that are winning without breaking any rules was abuse. The players won court orders that forced the casinos to accept their action and compensation for damages on top of that. Unfortunately, there was no happy ending for the players, after a couple of years CSMs where installed.

And the courts in that country are the same as everywhere, they usually side with big business, that's why I liked this particular decision.
AxiomOfChoice
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:27:43 AM permalink
Quote: CharlieGamer

I've read all this debate about card counters and cheating. I'd like to tell you the history of card counting in a nice western democratic country. Probably, it does give any options for card counters in Vegas, but you'll like the story anyway.

In this country the casinos didn't know much about card counting and card counters faced no countermeasures (to the point that players yelled the current count to their friends accross the floor) until someday the casinos realized why these guys where winning (it took years). Despite, the law allowing casinos to bar players without any justification, the barred players started civil action against the casinos and won (some cases even reached the Supreme Court). The legal justification was the casinos were "abusing their legal right" i.e. they have the power to bar a player without telling him a reason, but using this right to bar players that are winning without breaking any rules was abuse. The players won court orders that forced the casinos to accept their action and compensation for damages on top of that. Unfortunately, there was no happy ending for the players, after a couple of years CSMs where installed.

And the courts in that country are the same as everywhere, they usually side with big business, that's why I liked this particular decision.



Really? You like that decision? It resulted in CSMs everywhere. So now the games are unbeatable. I would prefer a decision that left me some beatable games.

If the casinos have the right to bar me, maybe they will catch me and bar me, and maybe they will not. It's all part of the game. If they don't have the right to bar me, there will be no playable games. I prefer that they have the right to bar me, so we can play this game. Maybe they will catch me. Or maybe they will keep giving me free rooms and meals as I take their money. Lets find out which it is! Shuffle up and deal! Game on!
Ahigh
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May 14th, 2014 at 8:03:21 AM permalink
If I where you, I whould buy some cool whip.

JoePloppy
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May 14th, 2014 at 8:09:15 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice


If the casinos have the right to bar me, maybe they will catch me and bar me, and maybe they will not. It's all part of the game. If they don't have the right to bar me, there will be no playable games. I prefer that they have the right to bar me, so we can play this game. Maybe they will catch me. Or maybe they will keep giving me free rooms and meals as I take their money. Lets find out which it is! Shuffle up and deal! Game on!



That would have been a good post for the 'is AP Gambling' thread.
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AcesAndEights
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May 14th, 2014 at 10:47:02 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Really? You like that decision? It resulted in CSMs everywhere. So now the games are unbeatable. I would prefer a decision that left me some beatable games.


A CSM game isn't necessarily unbeatable, just unbeatable via card counting.
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AxiomOfChoice
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May 14th, 2014 at 10:56:56 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

A CSM game isn't necessarily unbeatable, just unbeatable via card counting.



Whatever, my eyes suck, and I'm too tall.

The point is, these rules that prevent casinos from backing off good players DO NOT help the players. They just result in worse games. They are bad for everyone.

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