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EvenBob
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February 6th, 2012 at 1:37:42 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

In the Vegas market area, the vast majority of floormen are very experienced, - .



Just because they come in every day for 15 years doesn't
mean they know what they're doing. I've talked to dozens
and dozens of pit Vegas suits over the years who had no idea what
the HE is on the games they oversee. Or much of anything else
in the math world. Ask them yourself and you'll see.
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FleaStiff
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February 6th, 2012 at 3:09:09 AM permalink
It is not the floorman's job to become embroiled in disputes about house edge or batting averages of baseball players. He watches. He watches players, dealers and their interactions, he authorizes comps, he watches, he listens, he rules on mistakes.
Paigowdan
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February 6th, 2012 at 6:55:25 AM permalink
This is a good point from Fleastiff. Expecting this from floormen would be like asking Walmart clerks to recite nutritional information on each and every food product, safety info on each and every electrical product, and usage info on automotive and camping products, when they're listed on the packages.

Should rack cards of games include house edge and element of risk, like they would understand it? Or gambler's anonymous contact info?

Or have cigarette-pack like warning labels? ("Warning: getting smashed and blowing your rent money might be detrimental to your marriage and financial well-being...")
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buzzpaff
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February 6th, 2012 at 9:09:46 AM permalink
Perhaps a sign above the BJ table stating " Please put your brain in nuetral. No thinking allowed "
98Clubs
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February 6th, 2012 at 9:12:04 AM permalink
Fleastiff: +1
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
LonesomeGambler
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February 6th, 2012 at 9:55:36 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

This is a good point from Fleastiff. Expecting this from floormen would be like asking Walmart clerks to recite nutritional information on each and every food product, safety info on each and every electrical product, and usage info on automotive and camping products, when they're listed on the packages.

Well said. I don't think that a lack of deep understanding of the intricacies of game statistics precludes a boss from being "experienced." These are not game designers or theoreticians; their job is to watch and manage the crew to ensure that things run smoothly. In the olden days (before my time), bosses were also a big part of the customer service element. If a house wanted your action, a boss would often introduce himself, give you a business card, authorize some comps, etc. In Vegas there are still a lot of these old timers around, and while they may not be able to recite a side bet's house edge, or the difference in expectation between RSA and NoRSA, they can still run a pit better than a lot of the sweat-drenched, action-fearing scowlers that can be found in casinos across the land.
Paigowdan
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February 6th, 2012 at 10:47:17 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Perhaps a sign above the BJ table stating " Please put your brain in nuetral. No thinking allowed "


Then everyone must be a dummy in order to have fun, as such a sign belongs everywhere: you have to put your brain into a "suspension of disbelief" to do anything recreational, from movies, to reading fiction, sports, to gambling, to dining, to sex:
1. Movies: paying money to watch light bulbs force light through reels of plastic, to produce flickering images. Now the flickering images are electronically and digitally produced.
2. Dining out: oh, the fat and the calories - better go to the farmer's organic market instead, if you're using your head.
3. Sports: watching millionaires chase a ball in a big green field.
4. Sex: pistons moving in cylnders, - like an automotive engine. How exciting.
5. Reading fiction: not true stories, so why bother?
oh, and add:
6. To have fun, play by the rules, because it can stop you from playing and having fun. Now that's using your brain from square one, not getting disbarred at playing in the first place.

Perhaps there should be a sign in the delivery room: "put your brain in neutral, as you are entering the world. Abandon all hope regardless."
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AcesAndEights
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February 6th, 2012 at 11:24:33 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

4. Sex: pistons moving in cylnders, - like an automotive engine. How exciting.



Huh? I understand where you're going with the rest of these, taking things to a ridiculous conclusion. But I don't understand this one at all. It doesn't matter how hard I engage my brain during sex, pretty sure I'm still going to enjoy it! Those pistons have a lot of nerve endings...
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buzzpaff
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February 6th, 2012 at 11:34:38 AM permalink
To have fun, play by the rules, because it can stop you from playing and having fun. Now that's using your brain from square one, not getting disbarred at playing in the first place.


But if I THINK I will be cheating as you have stated so many times before !!
Paigowdan
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February 6th, 2012 at 11:35:54 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Huh? I understand where you're going with the rest of these, taking things to a ridiculous conclusion. But I don't understand this one at all. It doesn't matter how hard I engage my brain during sex, pretty sure I'm still going to enjoy it! Those pistons have a lot of nerve endings...


My point is that doing ANY thing of a recreational, non-productive, or of a play nature requries:
1. checking your brain to some or any degree,
2. and doing anything that openly asks for trouble during play - to spoil the fun during the fun times - is clearly not using your brain. Breaking the house rules on a card game to get backed off or 86-ed clearly falls into the "not smart" catagory, and from people professing to be using their brains at it.
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