TIMSPEED
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September 12th, 2011 at 8:36:20 PM permalink
So for the past few weeks, I've been watching the crap table (doesn't make a difference to me, as I play doey-dont with a friend)
I was in Reno for the Rib CookOff, 5 days over Labor Day, and I probably played 6 hours of craps everyday...BEST streak I saw was someone made 3 points...WORST streak I saw was 14 shooters in a ROW went PSO...actually that happened a COUPLE times (Between 10 in a row and 14 in a row kept happening)
One night, I was playing and someone walked up and asked:
"How's the table?"
"Fucking terrible, 6 in a row PSO"
"Well, it's gotta get better then!"
...
Another 5 shooters PSO...this guy was playing $5 + 3/4/5 & one come bet. He'd get loaded and BOOM..rinse, repeat. He went through $400 QUICK and rebought another $400 saying the same thing...
Then a shooter made ONE point, 7-out...another three shooters rolled a couple numbers, but no repeaters (including no point)
It's made me wonder, is that even POSSIBLE to get that cold??
I mean, I know there's NO regulations on craps in Nevada...and this particular casino doesn't use serialized dice, but rather they make a "pinhole" on one face of the dice, to "mark" them.
I've noticed that it's recently always been on the 6 face or the 5 face...when it's on the 6 face it seems like a LOT of 6/1, 6/6, 1/1 rolls.
When it's on the 5 face, a LOT of 5/2, 5/5, and 2/2 rolls (I guess the 5 face hole is better because at least it's point numbers)
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
boymimbo
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September 12th, 2011 at 9:45:01 PM permalink
The title should say Amazing Craps streak... HOT HOT HOT, and lucky?

When one side is losing their shirt, the other side (the dark side) is making a killing.

Embrace the dark side.

Whether putting a small pinhole in the side of the dice affects the rolls is unknown. What's your evidence to show weighting on the pinhole beside the anecdotal information?
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FleaStiff
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September 13th, 2011 at 1:48:33 AM permalink
I agree. Each player there is perfectly free to observe a trend, determine that for some reason this trend will continue and then put his money on the DontPass. The casino will book all bets, right or wrong.

Now as to a die with a pin hole. H'mmm. I don't know. A shaved edge would have an effect, I don't think a pin hole on a face of the die would. However if you think that a pinhole die is therefore biased, all you need do is bet accordingly!
wrongway
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September 13th, 2011 at 3:53:03 AM permalink
Yep. If the dice are really crooked and set to come up seven more often, then play the don't and hop seven on the come out. This will do one of two things.

1) You will make a killing

2) You will have seriously F***ed with fate and the table will turn around and there will be a one in a lifetime roll that you will now of course be on the wrong side of!

By my experience with such matters... option 2 is MUCH more likely :)
TIMSPEED
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September 13th, 2011 at 6:37:47 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

The title should say Amazing Craps streak... HOT HOT HOT, and lucky?
When one side is losing their shirt, the other side (the dark side) is making a killing.
Embrace the dark side.


Incorrect, because they'd make a few come out 7/11's, so you'd lose before even getting out on a number...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
teddys
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September 13th, 2011 at 8:51:05 AM permalink
I've seen 16+ point misses a number of times.

And yes, the darkside is where to be when this happens :)
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
SanchoPanza
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September 13th, 2011 at 9:12:53 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

Incorrect, because they'd make a few come out 7/11's, so you'd lose before even getting out on a number...


In that case, it's a good idea to have put down some sort of lay bet while waiting for the point to be established.
heather
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September 13th, 2011 at 10:21:44 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Now as to a die with a pin hole. H'mmm. I don't know. A shaved edge would have an effect, I don't think a pin hole on a face of the die would. However if you think that a pinhole die is therefore biased, all you need do is bet accordingly!



I don't think that he was saying that the pinhole was the source of the bias, only that the location of the pinhole was the key to what type of (invisible) bias had (possibly) been applied to the die.

Incidentally, I've always wondered whether the cancellation marks that casinos put on used dice could lead to bias. It stands to reason, since the pips are flush due to this very concern, and some cancellation marks are pretty dramatic. When I've bought used craps dice, I've tended to lean towards Bally's and Imperial Palace dice for the least-damaging cancellations.
Ayecarumba
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September 13th, 2011 at 10:53:40 AM permalink
Quote: wrongway

Yep. If the dice are really crooked and set to come up seven more often, then play the don't and hop seven on the come out. This will do one of two things.

1) You will make a killing

2) You will have seriously F***ed with fate and the table will turn around and there will be a one in a lifetime roll that you will now of course be on the wrong side of!

By my experience with such matters... option 2 is MUCH more likely :)



I think my money is right next to yours when this happens, wrongway. It's like clockwork.... a grinding, life sucking, driving the new car off a cliff, Titanic House Band, sinking feeling, as the rightway blasts off into the parlay stratosphere, leaving the darksiders to slink away into the chill of an empty pocket night.
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FleaStiff
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September 13th, 2011 at 11:15:12 AM permalink
The Venetian crushes its retired dice rather than risk anyone trying to alter them and sneak them back into the game.

Retired dice are drilled and plugged. They are not valid for lawful play.

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