akd1217
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August 16th, 2011 at 8:14:30 PM permalink
You've all been there, and I will be following footsteps in less than a month. I am interested in playing craps, but have never before tried. I understand the basics, but is it necessary to understand every type of bet? I won't lie, my bankroll will probably be half as much as most of you use in one session, as we are wanting to take in more of Vegas on our first trip than gambling. :) Wondered if you had any advice as to a solid strategy for a beginner player. Is it viable to only play PL? Do I play odds or no? Come bets? I realize this is always depending on the person, but I want other's opinions. Low roller or not, it would always be nice to walk away with more than I started with and I simply want the best chance of doing that. Thanks!
TIMSPEED
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August 16th, 2011 at 8:52:15 PM permalink
Really, what is your bankroll?
It will determine what limit you need to find.
If you have a $500 bankroll, a $5 game will be fine.
Just stick to the Pass Line for $5 with 3/4/5x odds, and just play that ONE BET.
If a shooter makes a point, double your line bet to $10 with 3/4/5x
If the shooter makes the SECOND point, step up to $15 with 3/4/5x
If the shooter makes a THIRD point, step up to $20 with 3/4/5x
Personally, if it gets to four points-more, I would just cap it at $25 with 3/4/5x odds for the rest of that shooters points.
If you JUST stick to that ONE bet, with $500, you should be fine. Hopefully, you'll catch a couple decent shooters and make a couple hundred bucks.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
vert1276
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August 16th, 2011 at 8:54:17 PM permalink
Quote: akd1217

You've all been there, and I will be following footsteps in less than a month. I am interested in playing craps, but have never before tried. I understand the basics, but is it necessary to understand every type of bet? I won't lie, my bankroll will probably be half as much as most of you use in one session, as we are wanting to take in more of Vegas on our first trip than gambling. :) Wondered if you had any advice as to a solid strategy for a beginner player. Is it viable to only play PL? Do I play odds or no? Come bets? I realize this is always depending on the person, but I want other's opinions. Low roller or not, it would always be nice to walk away with more than I started with and I simply want the best chance of doing that. Thanks!



P/L with odds.......If you are not going to bet odds there is really no point in playing craps.........Then any additional bets should be determined by your bankroll......You could go with 1,2,3 come bets with odds.....or P/L bet will odds and place the 6,8 or buy the 4,10
teddys
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August 16th, 2011 at 9:45:45 PM permalink
Great question. Start out with a pass line bet and odds. Any amount of odds -- even just a couple bucks. You need to learn how to play that bet and how the payouts work. If you get ahead, you can start playing one or two come bets with odds. DON'T let the dealers or the other players pressure you into making bets or tips you don't want to make. It's your money -- do what you want with it.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
odiousgambit
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August 17th, 2011 at 2:35:09 AM permalink
#1 avoid the embarrassment I suffered as a newbie by brushing up on table etiquette. Do you like to cup the dice in both hands and shake for good luck? That was my first move and believe me it was embarrassing. The dealers live in a world where every possible way someone could cheat has to be considered at all times, and in a casino in all games what your hands are doing is being observed [if you cup the dice, a crooked die can be introduced]. Don't let your hands hang down over the rail. [note that these two particular tips are not mentioned in the link]

#2 As the others are recommending, make the simple bets only and avoid the sucker bets. Putting your money where it says "Pass" is as simple as putting it on the Red in Roulette. Wait for a new shooter, though, or learn to look at the puck and wait for "off".

#3 Play an online free game to get the hang of it.
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August 17th, 2011 at 2:54:37 AM permalink
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Low roller or not, it would always be nice to walk away with more than I started with and I simply want the best chance of doing that. Thanks!



I've given a lot of thought to breaking in a new Craps player since I am trying to do that. A low roller just betting the pass line has a good shot at what you want. Did you know that you have a better than even shot at winning or breaking even if you bet the pass line and limit your exposure? The possible outcomes of 2 bets are weighted very close to 25% =2 wins, 25% =2 losses, 50% = one win one loss [breaking even]. So that is a 75% chance of winning or breaking even. Dwheatley here recently figured out that this effect holds true for more betting with an even number of bets up to 70 bets, with the chances dwindling down of course. There arent that many bets resolved on the pass line for the shooter in one hour, not even close at a busy table.

Well, when you do it long enough you just make more bets per hour than the pass line bet. But a newbie has a shot at this.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
DJTeddyBear
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August 17th, 2011 at 5:25:02 AM permalink
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... but is it necessary to understand every type of bet?

Not just "No" but "HELL NO!"

It's perfectly fine to just play the pass line.

My suggested strategy is to just play the pass line, with 1x or 2x odds, plus 1 or 2 come bets with odds or 1 or 2 place bets. If you really wanna get crazy, throw a dollar on each hardway every once in a while.

As a newbie, do not be concerned with the junk in the middle. FYI: I got the phrase "Junk in the middle" from a Vegas stickman.

Hardways are in the middle, and some consider them to qualify as 'junk.' However, the other junk has much higher house edge, and are only one roll bets. Hardways stay up longer.

If you want the dealers to help you, tip them. Do this by giving them a couple bucks when you first step up, and/or by putting down a $1 pass line bet for them when you first bet as well as occasionally thereafter - along with a buck or two for odds.



The most important thing a newbie can learn is the relationship between where he stands and where his chips are placed. Except for the junk inthe middle where the boxes are too small, there is a specific position for each bet for each person. Mind you, the dealer is moving your chips into position for these bets, but knowing where they are reduces questions like "What bets have I got up?"

Note: There's a reason that most of the junk in the middle doesn't have boxes big enough. A) As one-roll bets, the dealers can more easily remember who bet what. B) As high house edge bets, not too many people bet them, again making it easier for the dealers to remember, as well as reducing the need for space.
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FleaStiff
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August 17th, 2011 at 6:22:53 AM permalink
You should understand the concept of a LineBet, particularly the PassLine.
You should understand the concept of a Come/DontCome bet, particularly the Come bet. Although on your first session you might not make any of those bets for awhile.
You should understand the concept of Taking Odds and Laying Odds as well as that the bet is a "fair" bet in the sense that it gives you no edge over the house and gives the house no edge over you. This is rare in a casino. Usually a casino only offers you the short end of the stick.
You should understand that instead of letting the dice "select" your point number, you can choose a particular point number by making a PLACE Bet, but that in granting you that choice, the casino is making you pay for that privilege by a lower payout. You should probably realize that placing the six and eight is often a low house edge bet, but placing the other numbers is done at a high cost to the player.

Anything the stickman keeps yapping about is likely to be a bad bet. So if he calls out things like Hardways or C-and-E or whatever, he is trying to get you to make high house edge bets.

Starting off with just the PassLine is fine (odds as soon as you can is good). Adding a Come Bet or Two is good if you can follow what is happening and know where your money is. If its confusing to you, wait a bit.

Don't get distracted by all the chatter about Hop bets, Hardway bets, Center bets, Sucker bets, or whatever.
Clownkeeper
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August 18th, 2011 at 6:24:40 AM permalink
Since its your first time, I suggest to keep it simple. If at a $5 table, pass line with 1x odds then place the 6 & 8 for $6 each. If the point is 6 or 8 then place the other for $6 then make one come bet with 1x odds. Try to have 3 numbers working for you. Now just sit back and watch and learn. 1. See where the dealer places your bets so you know which are yours (very embarrassing if u think you won when you didn't because you got ur bet mixed up with the guy next to you). 2. See how other players make bets and see how their chip stacks go up and or down. 3. Learn how the off and on works with come bets. This kinda threw me off at first. Also learn how to be patient with other players. Some will really piss you off at times with thier lack of table manners and long dice setting. This is all part of the entertainment of gambling other than trying to make a quick and easy $1. When you feel you "absorbed" the way the game is played then you can raise bets, have more numbers etc. This may take more than one session. You can learn how to play with software or online play, but you cant get the "table experience" without live play.
Hope this helps......
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akd1217
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August 18th, 2011 at 9:25:16 AM permalink
First, ty to everyone for the advice. What I understand, is to play the PL, with odds bc it is the best bet, maybe some come bets along the way once I get the hang of it. I am slightly confused tho, and these may be some bonehead sort of questions, but here goes. :) I understand the odds bet is of no house advantage, but only bc I read it. lol Can someone explain how this is so? I am understanding it to be sort of a second bet on the PL, after a point is established, but if it is tied to the PL, wouldn't it have the same HE as the PL? Or is this so bc of the payouts? Also, don't you have to lay odds bets in the multiples of the payouts? It seems so confusing to have to remember the payouts and lay odds accordingly, or am I making too much out of it? :) Shouldn't I have some sort of idea of how likely a number is to be rolled b4 placing ne sort of come bet? Place bets sound decent also, bc they give u a choice, but if the payouts are worse, shouldn't I stick with come bets instead? Sorry for all the confusing questions, when typing out my thoughts, more questions came out than I originally intended to ask!

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