vert1276
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June 25th, 2011 at 2:24:53 AM permalink
So I was playing at one of my local casino that I never play at. Only went there becasue some friends were going. They had a $5 caps table with 5x's odds. So I made a come bet. the shooter rolled a 5. I went to place odds max odds on my come bet. Throw the dealer a green chip, figuring I would just get screwed out of the 50 cents. as $25 at true odds would pay $37.50. I figured they would just pay $37. So I throw the dealer the green, and he says "we allow you to play $26 worth of odds on the 5 and 9 so the pay off comes out to a whole number." Is this normal? Has anyone else seen this before? In Vegas I normally play on a 3-4-5 odds table and my normal local casino has 10x's odds. so I normally never run across betting an odd number on the 5 and 9.
ponyboy
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June 25th, 2011 at 3:50:38 AM permalink
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So I was playing at one of my local casino that I never play at. Only went there becasue some friends were going. They had a $5 caps table with 5x's odds. So I made a come bet. the shooter rolled a 5. I went to place odds max odds on my come bet. Throw the dealer a green chip, figuring I would just get screwed out of the 50 cents. as $25 at true odds would pay $37.50. I figured they would just pay $37. So I throw the dealer the green, and he says "we allow you to play $26 worth of odds on the 5 and 9 so the pay off comes out to a whole number." Is this normal? Has anyone else seen this before? In Vegas I normally play on a 3-4-5 odds table and my normal local casino has 10x's odds. so I normally never run across betting an odd number on the 5 and 9.



first off, 26 is an even number. and for odds that pay 3:2 such as the 5 and 9, betting 25 comes out to 37.5 as you said, and to make it easier they make you bet 26 to make it come out to 39. its not something ive never heard of nor havent seen before. its honestly just for the sake of simplicity
DeMango
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June 25th, 2011 at 4:04:14 AM permalink
It certainly is normal in MS. After the win the dealer pays $40 (plus the linebet) and takes the white chip.
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June 25th, 2011 at 6:28:45 AM permalink
Here at my local Native American casino they have have 5x odds.

They'll let you go $30 odds(even number)on the 5/9 with $5 on the pass line.

Again, it makes for easier payouts.
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FleaStiff
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June 25th, 2011 at 6:47:10 AM permalink
Dealers sometimes have to learn not to BS too much particularly if the table is busy at the time. Best would be something simple like throw me one more dollar for a better payout on your odds bet. That would allow you to figure out what was happening without a long winded statement by him using the exact figures . Normally its 5 pays 7.50. Or: Odds Bet plus Half. (Though for some reason it seems 5 pays only 7.00 on a one-dollar table, but I don' t see why). For this reason, there is the "Always have Even Odds on an Odd Number". Therefore the 5 and 9 on a five dollar line bet would not be the expected 25.00 but would get bumped up to 26.00 to make things go faster and have fewer gripes.

Now some casinos have to offer inducements because of their geography and in some areas it may simply be traditional but whatever the situation is, just drop down the "extra" white and work out the math as you can. If the dealer is offering you a better deal, go for it.
vert1276
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June 25th, 2011 at 6:51:26 AM permalink
Did I say somewhere in my post that 26 was an odd number? LOL and ya i get the whole point of it is to get an even pay out and to make things easier for everyone. Just I had just never run across it before is all. And wanted to know if this was the norm. Like if I was in vegas playing at a 5X's odds table, would I just assume I can play $26.
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June 25th, 2011 at 7:23:40 AM permalink
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Did I say somewhere in my post that 26 was an odd number? LOL and ya i get the whole point of it is to get an even pay out and to make things easier for everyone. Just I had just never run across it before is all. And wanted to know if this was the norm. Like if I was in vegas playing at a 5X's odds table, would I just assume I can play $26.



I've actually never played anywhere (in NJ, PA, CT, NV) where they DIDN'T let you go to 30 on a $5 Pass/Come bet when it's 5x odds. We've discussed this before on here, but when you bet middling pass line bets like $15, they often let you bet odds much higher than a simple 5x. We figured out the formula, but you'll have to search the message boards for it. For example, bet $15 on the line and I think you can go to $100 on 5/9 and $125 on 6/8 in most places I've played.
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June 25th, 2011 at 7:39:07 AM permalink
And, bottom line: As greedy as casinos can seem to be, or are accused of being, they're not THAT greedy.

They'd rather let you risk a little more and possibly lose it that way, than to screw you on a 50¢ payout.
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FleaStiff
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June 25th, 2011 at 7:51:27 AM permalink
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Like if I was in vegas playing at a 5X's odds table, would I just assume I can play $26.

No, in Vegas you would assume that a full 30.00 in odds would be accepted. Oh in days of old where fifty cent chips abounded in the Downtown casinos things might have been different, but the Days of Old are just that. Now its not just strip casinos that are proud not to have fifty cent chips but virtually everyone in town has minimum chips of one dollar. So 5x 5 is still 25.00 in odds money but in order to get 3:2 payout without any gripes, lectures or discontent, the casinos usually just automatically let people bump up the odds to get a full payout. In Vegas, instead of going from 25 to 26, they go from 25 to 30.

Does this make minor adjustments to the overall house edge? Yeah, I guess it does, but no one seems to much care. 5x is slightly better than 3x4x5x but 3x4x5x is fast and easy for the dealers and surveillance (as well as players) So in Vegas you will often encounter 3x4x5x. This is one reason SamsTown and Main Street Station earn good reputations. The food is good, the booze is good and the odds are 10x or 20x rather than the virtually strip-wide 3x4x5x.
Alan
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June 25th, 2011 at 9:12:19 AM permalink
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.... and Main Street Station earn good reputations. The food is good, the booze is good and the odds are 10x or 20x rather than the virtually strip-wide 3x4x5x.




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