Got into it with a craps dealer

So before I tell the story, I can at least admit I was being a little immature and should have just shut up but the guy really pissed me off.

The funny part is it wasn't even at the craps table it was at the bar on the dealers night off LOL! So I normally play at a craps table with $1 min and 10X's odds If everything goes right and I get to my max press I will have $82 - $106 in play. Anyways I always tip the same way. I almost never tip the deals directly unless I have an unbelievable round and win like $500 on one round before "7ing out" what I do is every 3rd come out roll I make a $1 P/L bet for the dealers backed with 2X's odd. So basically a $3 tip "attempt" every 3 comes outs. And I tip whether im losing or winning. So that sets up the story!

So the other night I was at the casino with some of my friends. We had been playing poker that night instead of craps. It was 1am and we decided to take a break and go to the bar and have a couple a beers and some shots before last call, as we were planning on playing poker for a while(or at least until the sun came up).

So across the bar I see a craps dealer(off shift, dont know whether he worked earlier that day or not). I wave at him and say "whats up, how ya doin?" and tell the bar tender to get him one of whatever he is drinking on my tab. He is about 8 seats away but surprisingly the bar is dead so we able to talk without yelling! He says back "im surprised you are buying me a drink" I say "why is that?". Im think he is saying this because I was there the night before and he was dealing craps and I lost $550. Although he was on the other end of table and was not my dealer.

He says back "the way you tip, Im just surprised you are buying a drink for me" At first I though he was just joking around trying to say im a good tipper and there is no need to buy him a drink because I hook them up at the table. BUT, no thats not what he meant lol then after I say "what?' looking confused.....he says "I'm just surprised to see such a cheap ass tipper buying me a beer is all" Needless to say at this point im pissed and say to the bartender that has not served him his beer yet just to bring it to me instead. And tell the dealer "to go F himself" Then it gets a little heated between us LOL. Security comes over, I know all of them because I pay their a lot. I tell them what went down and they were in shock. And said all is good just go back to the poker room and enjoy the rest of the night.

So I guess my question is........Am I a cheap tipper? or was this dealer being a drunk retard?

I have a hard time telling if you're cheap or not. I have the same problem with my own tipping patterns.

However, even if you are cheap, or cheaper than other players, or whatever, he was way out of line saying anything.

Even if you were a total non-tipper, he was being an ass.


For whatever reason you decided to buy him that beer. His only response should have been gratitude.

my guess is he had decided he didnt like you before you ever bought him a beer

No, you're not a cheap tipper -- far from it. Most tippers tip only a fraction of their EV, if anything at all . You're tipping many times that:

Your tip play has a value of nearly $3, and you're doing it every 3 come outs or about 10-12 times/hour. That translates to tipping around $30/hour. On a $1 table, with 10x odds, your expected loss is less than $3/hour unless you're on the prop bets. (e.g. even $1 on every pass/come bet, at 100 rolls/hour, is only a $1.41 loss/hour). In a nutshell, you're tipping over 10x your expected loss. As a result, when you "lose", it's probably because you're giving all your money to the dealers.

As for the dealer, if I were TGD, he'd be fired on the spot. Customers should not be mistreated, especially customers who spread $80-$100 on a $1 table. I don't know where you play or whether there are other casinos in the area where you can take your business, but I'd talk to a host about remedying the situation. I wouldn't patronize an entertainment venue where the staff calls me a "cheap ass".

Honestly, sometimes I think it's better to stiff then to tip cheaply. If you stiff, the stiffee won't even register your presence; you are just another stiff. I you tip cheaply, they will think "what a cheap a$$!" and complain about you. So, I would either tip big, or not tip at all. They will still get their tips.

I had this dilemma during a period where I was studying for an entrance exam. I would go everyday to a nearby fancy restaurant/bar and get a beer/burger or coke/burger for $5.00. It would look immensely cheap to tip $.75 every day, so somedays I just stiffed and other days I tipped $2.00. They remembered me after a while.

You should have bought him a pitcher. And poured it over his head !

I work at a go for your own place, so stiffing me would not result in me getting my tips. With that said, the original poster is a system tipper which to me, is absolutely fabulous. Yes, he isn't throwing money around like crazy, but as somebody who deals quickly, I would much much rather someone who I can count on, winning or losing, to put me up at whatever intervals. As someone else pointed out, it comes out to be a nice amount per hour and if you can get lucky enough to have a few people like that at one table, it makes for a good down. With that said, if someone wins $4,000 and hands me $1, yes, it's insulting. At least if I get totally stiffed I can pretend that they were really happy and forgot.

Quote: iambabyd

I work at a go for your own place, so stiffing me would not result in me getting my tips. With that said, the original poster is a system tipper which to me, is absolutely fabulous. Yes, he isn't throwing money around like crazy, but as somebody who deals quickly, I would much much rather someone who I can count on, winning or losing, to put me up at whatever intervals. As someone else pointed out, it comes out to be a nice amount per hour and if you can get lucky enough to have a few people like that at one table, it makes for a good down. With that said, if someone wins $4,000 and hands me $1, yes, it's insulting. At least if I get totally stiffed I can pretend that they were really happy and forgot.

Ya I get what your saying if you can push the pace it works to your advantage. But on a craps table the pace is kinda set by the stickman. So its kinda in his hands.

OT: I was playing craps like 3 weeks ago on a Friday at about 6pm and there was only 5 players at the table it was moving fast. Then a group of 5 kids came to the table(I say kids lol they were like 21-24 years old). I could tell right away by the way they were talkin about "the video" that they just must have watch "the golden touch" craps video or something like that. So anyways they were all "dice setters" HOLY CRAP you want to talk about slowing down a game LOL! And they were all at one end of the table. It was like water torture LOL. After about 15 mins I just left and went to the poker room.

Someone needs to explain to him that a real man does not complain to another man who bought him a beer. It is one of the things that seperate us from the animals.

super out of line dealer. should be fired. and i think you are more than fair tipper

The first problem is letting a dealer drink at the place where he/she works. I'd imagine most casinos would have a policy against that. It would prevent altercations just like that.

That dealer way way out of line, even if you were a stingy tipper. It actually sounds like you are more than generous with the tokes.

If you're truthfully tipping $3+ every three come out rolls, then you're one of the best tippers out there. The EV on that tip for the dealer is about $3.00 the way I figure it. And with probably about 15 come out rolls every hour that's $15 bucks per hour, which in my opinion is ridiculous.

Most craps players (yes, most) tip very sparingly. I will tip around $5/hour, usually through middle bets for the crew and a final toss in at the end. My tips are appreciated. I'm not the biggest tipper out there (save for my $1,000 fire tip), but I'm not the smallest one either.

The dealer's an ass.

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That dealer was being a complete ass. I love the fact that you didn't give him the beer after all - served him right! He's obviously too stupid to realize that he should have kept his mouth shut, enjoyed the free beer, and mentally cussed you out until you left, then bitch about you to the bartender.

And you a a more generous tipper than I am.

You should have also told him if he thought the tips were shitty before wait till the next time.
But when ever I tip they seem to press it till it's gone anyway.

Quote: cellardoor

The first problem is letting a dealer drink at the place where he/she works. I'd imagine most casinos would have a policy against that. It would prevent altercations just like that.

That dealer way way out of line, even if you were a stingy tipper. It actually sounds like you are more than generous with the tokes.

Yeah I never understand when a casino lets employees hang out after a shift and drink. It really doesn't come to any good at all. Since they aren't working they feel like they don't have to be as nice or represent the company like they would when they're on the clock. It also drives me nuts when I see dealers get out of work in some poker rooms and then make a beeline for the table with the biggest fish. A dealer should never be in a game in the casino they work at.

He probably got you mixed up with someone else; I couldn't imagine that he is an experienced dealer and not recognize the value of your dealer bets. He's also a total ass, because even if you never tipped him he should have accepted the drink gratefully.

Quote: AZDuffman

Someone needs to explain to him that a real man does not complain to another man who bought him a beer. It is one of the things that separates us from the animals.

Perfectly stated, AZD.

Quote: AZDuffman

Someone needs to explain to him that a real man does not complain to another man who bought him a beer. It is one of the things that seperate us from the animals.

Duffman calls it. Right on.

The dealer might have been having a bad day/night but you don't take that crap out on your employer. More so after they just bought you a drink.

Quote: cellardoor

The first problem is letting a dealer drink at the place where he/she works. I'd imagine most casinos would have a policy against that. It would prevent altercations just like that.

They don't - but absolutely must!

And look at it as the ALCOHOL talking, and not your general crap dealer, by any stretch......

Vert you have to understand the type of people you are dealing with. Yes there are some nice stand up dealers out there, but a lot of them are greedy, drug addicted, miserable human beings who form their opinions about people based on how they tip.

One of their hustles is to try to influence you into tipping more by making mumbled comments, sarcastic gestures, and passive aggressive behaviors, all to bully you into tipping more. Yet they are still never satisfied until you have absolutely no chance at the game. You're nothing but a mark to some of them.

To hear what he said really burns me up, just like it did you. Punches and kicks would have been thrown.

According to my game comparison guide, craps has about 45 come out rolls per hour. So that means you tip about $45 an hour, which is about half your average bet, which I've said before is a good guideline to go by in all table games. So I agree the dealer was out of line, and I applaud you for fighting back.

However, for what it is worth, I think it would look better to make bigger tips but less often. I think a good tip frequency is once every half hour. With Asian dealers even less frequent, like whenever one rotates off the table, so that both dealers see the tip.

Quote: clarkacal

Vert you have to understand the type of people you are dealing with. Yes there are some nice stand up dealers out there, but a lot of them are greedy, drug addicted, miserable human beings

I would love to have an arguament against this statement.


The sad thing is I dont.

Quote: boymimbo

If you're truthfully tipping $3+ every three come out rolls, then you're one of the best tippers out there. The EV on that tip for the dealer is about $3.00 the way I figure it. And with probably about 15 come out rolls every hour that's $15 bucks per hour, which in my opinion is ridiculous.

Most craps players (yes, most) tip very sparingly. I will tip around $5/hour, usually through middle bets for the crew and a final toss in at the end. My tips are appreciated. I'm not the biggest tipper out there (save for my $1,000 fire tip), but I'm not the smallest one either.

The dealer's an ass.

Ya but you have to figure some of those $1 P/L bets are winners on the come out and I never get to place odds behind them. I figure on average I tip about $25 bucks an hour. And I almost always have about $80 in play. I guess I have always viewed myself as an over tipper on everything, especially on bar tabs LOL

(Croupier responds to Clarkacal's statement that crap dealers are a mix of decent people and d-bags...)

Quote: Croupier

I would love to have an arguament against this statement.

The sad thing is I dont.

I would say that Clarkacal had an argument more with a "moron" or a "dirtbag,"
than with crap dealer/casino worker/alcoholic/native New Yorker/native Virginian or whatever the career or locale label.

Quote: Paigowdan

(Croupier responds to Clarkacal's statement that crap dealers are a mix of decent people and d-bags...)


I would say that Clarkacal had an argument more with a "moron" or a "dirtbag,"
than with crap dealer/casino worker/alcoholic/native New Yorker/native Virginian or whatever the career or locale label.

No, it was Vert, the OP, that had the argument. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are talking about.

Opps....

But what I meant was that there are countless dealers and gamblers, and we should look at the situation as 'idiot x' instead of 'dealer x' or 'player x.'

Trust me, I've got to spend some time away from casinos, dealers, gamblers, etc. to restore this perspective.

Quote: Wizard

I think it would look better to make bigger tips but less often.

Yes, I too think its best to get more "mileage" from a tip by getting it noticed. Starting off with a tip gets you noticed by dealer and also the floorman who is still there fiddling with your card. It won't hurt your rating to start off with a good impression. And if a dealer who is just tapping into the game hasn't been there to actually see any tips from you, the dealer being tapped out will often indicate something like "my number three is our friend". If a dealer greets you with the term "George" its for the benefit of the other dealers.

All this stuff seems to add to the "mileage" that the tip gets you. The dealers know that other players notice tipping behavior and may start to tip as well. So I like to make the tips more noticeable but less frequent. I wind up tipping the same amount of money but at least I have the impression that I'm getting more mileage out of it.

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China

In China, traditionally there is no tipping (except Hong Kong and Macau, both semi-westernized areas). However, hotels that routinely serve foreign tourists may allow tipping. An example would be tour guides and associated drivers.[10]
[edit] Israel

In Israel, tipping in restaurants and bars is expected. In many restaurants there are also "security charges" that are not compulsory, but are added onto the bill. This payment is supposed to cover the cost of hiring an armed guard at the bar in the remote chance of attack.
[edit] Japan

In Japan, tipping is not a part of the culture. Japanese people are uncomfortable with being tipped, and are likely to be confused, amused or possibly even offended if tipped.[11]
[edit] Singapore

In Singapore, tipping is not considered the norm, though bars and restaurants may add a 10% service charge.[12] It is prohibited at the airport, and discouraged at hotels and restaurants, where a 10% service charge is included in the bill.[13]

Tipping is not the norm in taxis;[11] although congestion or ERP charges are often included in the final fare. All taxis must advertise a hotline to call if the customer is dissatisfied.
[edit] South Korea

In South Korea, tipping is not customary at restaurants, hotels or for taxi service. When dining at restaurants, customers may sometimes receive complimentary food or drinks from the owner or server; colloquially, this is known as "service". Even in this circumstance tipping is not customary.[citation needed]
[edit] Taiwan

In Taiwan tipping is rare except when a customer uses a porter at an airport, which is usually 50 New Taiwan Dollars per item of luggage, or wants to show appreciation for exceptional service. Some restaurants and hotels add a 10% service charge.[14]
[edit] Turkey

In Turkey, tipping, or bahşiş (lit. gift, from Persian word بخشش, often rendered in English as "baksheesh") is usually optional and not customary in many places. However, a tip of 5-10% is expected in restaurants, which is usually paid by "leaving the change". Cab drivers usually do not expect to be tipped, though passengers may round up the fare. A tip of small change may be made to a hotel porter.[15]
[edit] Philippines

In the Philippines tipping is becoming more common especially in service-oriented places (spa, salon). However, in some restaurants and hotels a "service charge" of 8 to 12% is included in the bill; customers sometimes add a further "tip"[citation needed].
[edit] Australia

Tipping is not the norm in Australia, although in recent times it has become more common in restaurants and hotels, particularly in larger cities; even there it tends to be reserved to reward particularly good service[citation needed]. Tipping staff of any other kind of business is very unusual. Casinos in Australia—and some other places—generally prohibit tipping of gaming staff, as it is considered bribery. For example, in the state of Tasmania, the Gaming Control Act 1993 states in section 56 (4): "it is a condition of every special employee's licence that the special employee must not solicit or accept any gratuity, consideration or other benefit from a patron in a gaming area."[16]
[edit] New Zealand

Tipping is not a traditional practice in New Zealand. Although relatively rare and never expected where tipping does occur it is usually to reward a level service that is significantly in excess of the customer's expectations, or as an unsolicited reward for a voluntary act of service. The tip may take the form of money, a gift or some other gesture designed to demonstrate gratitude.
[edit] Central and South America
[edit] Argentina

Tipping is common in restaurants and bars, usually around 10% of the bill when happy with the service received. Leaving no tip when feeling dissatisfied is not uncommon, and the reason is understood. Many restaurants also levy a small fixed cover charge (cubierto; typically no more than 5 Argentine pesos per person). Tips are also usually given for food delivery services and luggage carrying and loading/unloading from buses. Taxi drivers are not tipped.[citation needed]

It is customary to tip the ushers in theaters and opera houses if they hand out programmes.[citation needed]
[edit] Bolivia

Service charges are included with the bill. A tip of around 5% or so is sometimes given, and is considered polite.[17]
[edit] Brazil

Optional service charges of 10% are included at some restaurant bills, and additional tips are very rare. While tips can sometimes be given for some services, such as taxis, delivery or tourism, tips are very uncommon.[citation needed]
[edit] Paraguay

Service charges are included with the bill, and tipping is uncommon.[17]
[edit] Europe
[edit] Albania

Tipping (bakshish) in Albania is very much expected almost wherever. In recent times it has become more common as many foreigners and Albanians living abroad visit Albania. Leaving a tip of around 10% of the bill is customary in restaurants; even porters, guides and chauffeurs expect tips. If you don’t want to leave money for porters, bellhops and the like, duty free alcohol is often very welcome- but this must be doled out with discretion, as some people may actually find it offensive. [2]
[edit] Belgium

Tips (fooi) are not expected in Belgium. When tipping in pubs/restaurant, it will mostly be a simple round up to the nearest integer.
[edit] Croatia

Tips (napojnica, manča, tip) are expected mostly in restaurants, but not mandatory. Restaurant tip is around 10% (or more if you are really satisfied with overall dining experience). In clubs or cafe bars is common to "round up the bill". It's not common to tip taxi drivers or hairdressers (but it's up to you). In tourist country like Croatia, tip can "open a lot of doors" and surely you will leave good impression which will be recognised on your next visit.
[edit] Denmark

Tips (drikkepenge, lit. "drinking money") are not required in Denmark since service charges are automatically added to the bill. Tipping for outstanding service is a matter of choice, but is not expected.[18]
[edit] Finland

Tips are not expected in Finland, but leaving a tip is considered a kind gesture.
[edit] France

Tips (Pourboire) are not expected in France since service charges are included in the bill. However, French people usually leave the small change left after paying the bill or one or two euros if they were satisfied with the service quality.
[edit] Germany and Austria

Tips of 5 to 10% (Trinkgeld, lit. "drink money") in Germany are commonplace, but not mandatory, in restaurants and bars, sometimes with the comment 'es stimmt so' ('keep the change'). Or the total price including the tip is commented with; thus a price might be 10,50 € and a customer might, rather generously but not unusually, say 'zwölf' ('twelve'), pay 20 € and still get 8 € back. It is uncommon to give a tip when only one item (e.g. a glass of beer) has been consumed. Tipping is also common, but by no means universal, for the following services: hairdressing, taxis, porterage at hotels. In public restrooms with attendants it is considered impolite not to leave a tip. Tips are free from taxation.[19]
[edit] Greece

In Greece tipping ("Φιλοδώρημα" , transl. filodórima, or the loanword "πουρμπουάρ" from French pourboire) is commonplace, but not mandatory. Usually an amount on top of the small change left after paying the bill is left on the table in restaurants or bars. There is no set formula as to the proper amount, but for a large bill the tip is usually larger as well. The setting is also a factor; for instance, dining at an upscale establishment would merit more consideration to the tip than simply having coffee at a café.
[edit] Iceland

In Iceland tipping (þjórfé, lit. "drink money") is not expected since a gratuity is already included in the bill. However, a tip of up about 10% is appreciated in a nicer restaurant for great service. At less expensive places such as pizza places, burger joints or hot dog stands, tipping is not expected. Icelanders themselves do not practice the tipping custom, but are familiar with it.[20]
[edit] Ireland

Although it has been cited that tipping for taxis is typical,[21] it is not common in practice. Commonly people will round-up the fare to the nearest note to avoid fumbling for small change(for example, hand over €5.00 for a fare of €4.50)

In Ireland it is not customary to tip a percentage of the total bill, a few small coins is generally considered quite polite. The service charge is normally already included in the bill/check.
[edit] Italy

Tips (la mancia) are not customary in Italy, and used only if a special service is given or to thank for a high quality service.[22] Almost all restaurants (with the notable exception of Rome[23]) have a price for the service (called coperto) and waiters do not expect a tip, but they will not refuse it, especially if given by foreign customers. In cafés, bars, and pubs it's however not uncommon, on paying the bill, to leave the change saying to the waiter or to the cashier "tenga il resto" ("keep the change"). Recently tip jars near the cash register are becoming widespread,[citation needed] however in public restrooms is often forbidden.[24] Leaving the change is also quite common with taxi drivers. When using a credit card, it is not possible to add manually an amount to the bill, so it is possible to leave some coins as a tip.[citation needed]
[edit] The Netherlands

Tipping is not mandatory or customary. Service is included in the given prices and rates.
[edit] Norway

Tipping is semi-expected in Norway and the tip is usually 10% of the bill. However, price rises in the twentyfirst century have reduced the incidence of tipping, with the exception of restaurants (although there is also a service charge). Elsewhere than in restaurants and bars (e.g. taxis) it is usual to leave the change.
[edit] Romania

The tip (bacşiş, from the Turkish) is usually 10% of the bill and is expected in restaurants,[25] coffee shops, and taxis.[25]
[edit] Slovenia

Tipping is becoming a custom in Slovenia. Most tourists think that it is charged in the bill, but it never is. Recently, areas visited by a large amount of tourists have begun to accept tips at around 10 - 20%, which are more than welcome.[26][27]
[edit] Spain

Tipping ("propina") is not customary and not generally considered mandatory in Spain. In restaurants the amount of the tip, if any, depends mainly on the economic status of the customer and on the kind of locale, higher percentages being expected in upscale restaurants. In bars and small restaurants, Spaniards sometimes leave as a tip the small change left in their plate after paying a bill.[28][29] Outside the restaurant business, some service providers, such as taxicab drivers, hairdressers and hotel personnel may expect a tipping in an upscale setting. In 2007 the Minister of Economy Pedro Solbes put the blame on the excessive tipping for the increase of the inflation.[30]
[edit] Switzerland

Tipping is not expected, although it is common for a customer to round-up the bill to the nearest franc for a small amount, or to add a couple of francs (certainly not 10%) to a larger bill.[citation needed] In most restaurants and bars, "service" as it's called, is included on the bill. Anything left in addition is a compliment for great service, but not expected.[citation needed]
[edit] United Kingdom

It is not customary to tip for service at pubs. However bars (as distinct from pubs, for example cocktail bars) will often deliver change on a plate to a customer being served at the bar, and expect some or all of it to be left as a tip. Tips are usual for table service in either pubs or bars.

Tips of 10% are common in restaurants but not expected. It is a legal requirement to include any taxes and other obligatory charges in the price. Service charges, which may be discretionary (although it is very unusual to refuse to pay) or mandatory, are sometimes levied, more often in London and other large cities than regional areas. It is legal to refuse to pay a mandatory service charge if the service was considered inadequate.[31]

Tipping for other services such as taxis and hairdressers is not expected, but tips are sometimes given to reward particularly good service. Although in some large cities it is customary to tip both taxi drivers and hairdressers/barbers.[citation needed]
[edit] Taxation in the U.K.

A tronc is an arrangement for the pooling and distribution to employees of tips, gratuities and/or service charges in the hotel and catering trade. The person who distributes monies from the tronc is known as the troncmaster. When a tronc exists in the UK, responsibility for operating PAYE on the distribution may lie with the troncmaster rather than the employer.[32][33] (The word 'tronc' has its origins in the French for collecting box.) In June 2008, the Employment Appeals Tribunal ruled that income from a tronc cannot be counted when assessing whether a wage or salary meets the national minimum wage (see Revenue and Customs Commissioners v Annabel’s (Berkeley Square) Ltd [2009] EWCA Civ 361, [2009] ICR 1123)
[edit] North America
[edit] Canada

Tipping rates in Canada are similar to those in the neighbouring United States.

Quebec and Ontario allow employers to pay lower minimum wages to workers who would reasonably be expected to be receiving tips.[34] In Ontario, the minimum wage is $10.25 per hour, with exceptions for students under 18 years old and employed for not more than 28 hours a week, who are paid $9.60 per hour; and both liquor and restaurant servers, who are paid $8.90 per hour.[35] On April 13, 2010, the Toronto Star reported since 2009, it has become common for restaurant servers to give part of their tips to the business they work for.[36]

Workers who receive tips are legally required to report the income to the Canada Revenue Agency and pay income tax on it. In Quebec, the provincial government automatically taxes servers 8% of their sales whether a gratuity was received or not. In other provinces, however, many workers have been known to report no income from tips at all or, perhaps more commonly, to "lowball" the figure. In response, the CRA has said that it will closely check the tax returns of individuals who would reasonably be expected to be receiving tips to ensure that the tips are reported realistically.[37]
[edit] United States

Tipping is a widely practiced social custom in the United States. Standards vary, but generally, gratuities are given for services rendered in the restaurant, bar, and taxi industries. For most of the 20th century it was considered inappropriate for the owner of an establishment to accept any tips, and while this is still considered the standard etiquette rule, the practice has mostly vanished as tipping has become ubiquitous for certain types of services.[38] Tipping is done only by the host of a party.[39] Guests should never leave tips as this breaches the host's hospitality. This etiquette applies to bar service at weddings and any other event where one is a guest as well. The host should provide appropriate tips to workers at the end of an event.

Laws in the states of Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington require all employees to be paid at least minimum wage. However, it is still customary to give standard tips in those places. Elsewhere, wage laws allow employers to credit an amount of earned tips against the minimum wage, allowing them to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage. As of September 2009, this reduction can be as low as $1.45 per hour in West Virginia, or as high as 100% in Virginia, reducing potential wages to $5.80 or $0 per hour, respectively. Which employees may have their wages reduced varies as well. The Fair Labor Standards Act defines a tipped employee as anyone receiving more than $30 per month in tips, although several states set a lower $20 per month threshold.[40]

Federal law requires that employees report 100% of tip income on their tax return, excluding any given months where total tip income was less than $20.[41]

Quote: buzzpaff

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Sometimes copy and paste is pretty obvious. You really should just have linked to the wikipedia article instead. Interesting, though.

You assume I know how to do that. I am computer illiterate. SIGH

Quote: buzzpaff

You assume I know how to do that. I am computer illiterate. SIGH

Copy the link address from the top of the browser (where you type in "wizardofodds.com" or whatever.

Paste it into the message. That's enough for most people. They can copy it themselves.

You can also format it to link it in if you want to get fancy. I wouldn't worry too much about being fancy though. Cut and pasting large tracts from other sites is normally a no-no, especially without attribution, and in some cases if the work is copyrighted, a violation of that copyright that some legal hawks will pounce on.

$1 Craps? I only know one or two casino that offers $1 Craps, they're dumps. You got some break in dealer having a bad hair day. Let it go.

I usually bet a two way hard way for a buck or two, so if they win I win. I do this frequently and it seems to make them happy when it hits.

But come on, how much do two dollar bettors usually tip?

Dealers work for minimum wage and tips. How would you like to go to dealer's school and get stuck in a low class break in joint that caters to losers and low lifes who don't tip. The opportunity for advancement is slim to none, as the better casinos usually don't hire from that pool.

Not only that, but the break ins get the shitty hours and then are reprimanded if the casino has a bad night.

Maybe this guy should be selling used cars cars on a roach lot.

I can say I've seen some surly Craps Dealers.

But, breathing after smoke and putting up with stinky obnoxious drunk dick weeds might jade their attitude after a while.

Shysters, losers, and wanna be pimps can really make your night!

Quote: BenJammin

$1 Craps? I only know one or two casino that offers $1 Craps, they're dumps. You got some break in dealer having a bad hair day. Let it go.

I disagree. The Joker's Wild in Henderson offers a very nice $1 game, with 10x odds, in a nice atmosphere. It's not the Wynn, but it's pleasant enough. I am ashamed of the players who treat the dealers badly. They work so hard. One guy they last time I was there was being a real ass, yelling at the poor dealer for not getting his ridiculous combination of place bets right. If I was more confrontational, I would have got in his face. If you want great service, play for $25 at Wynncore. $1 bets get you break-in service.

Quote: BenJammin

$1 Craps? I only know one or two casino that offers $1 Craps, they're dumps. You got some break in dealer having a bad hair day. Let it go.

I usually bet a two way hard way for a buck or two, so if they win I win. I do this frequently and it seems to make them happy when it hits.

But come on, how much do two dollar bettors usually tip?

Dealers work for minimum wage and tips. How would you like to go to dealer's school and get stuck in a low class break in joint that caters to losers and low lifes who don't tip. The opportunity for advancement is slim to none, as the better casinos usually don't hire from that pool.

Not only that, but the break ins get the shitty hours and then are reprimanded if the casino has a bad night.

Maybe this guy should be selling used cars cars on a roach lot.

I can say I've seen some surly Craps Dealers.

But, breathing after smoke and putting up with stinky obnoxious drunk dick weeds might jade their attitude after a while.

Shysters, losers, and wanna be pimps can really make your night!

Well first of all...Im not talking about a Vegas casino, Im talking about "The Angel of the Winds Casino" in the Seattle area (about 30 miles north of Seattle). And it is FAR from a dump. It is a Tribal casino. And secondly just becasue its a $1 table doesn't mean people are playing $1 pass line bets(and if they are they are all making $10 odds bets behind). I would say most people play it like a $5 table. But like I said I have $80 plus in play most of the time. And I will agree, im sure I caught him on one of his bad days, who knows what going on in his personal life? BUT.......If you dont like working for tips dont be a dealer!! You are gonna get stiffed sometimes(not that I was stiffing anyone), The fact that you are defending the guys is kinda disheartening to say the least! OH an I dont have to "let it go"! I couldn't care less really, and thought it was kinda funny. I didn't ask to have the guy fired or even stop spending money there. I was just there Saturday night playin craps, And he was the dealer on my side of the table LOL. I dont let idiots effect my good times LOL!

Quote: vert1276

Im talking about "The Angel of the Winds Casino" in the Seattle area (about 30 miles north of Seattle).

Just to confirm, the incident with the nasty dealer happened at Angel of the Winds?

I have had absolutely nothing but pleasant experiences at the table there, potentially because they bill themselves as "The World's Friendliest" casino. But maybe they're like flight attendants, where being friendly on shift causes them to be surly off shift?

Angel, 7 Cedars, and Clearwater all have cheap tables (any others in the Puget Sound?), and none of them are dumps with overly-surly dealers. But the Pacific Northwest isn't Vegas. In Vegas, the cheap tables are at the dumpy places.

Quote: clamchowder

Just to confirm, the incident with the nasty dealer happened at Angel of the Winds?

I have had absolutely nothing but pleasant experiences at the table there, potentially because they bill themselves as "The World's Friendliest" casino. But maybe they're like flight attendants, where being friendly on shift causes them to be surly off shift?

Angel, 7 Cedars, and Clearwater all have cheap tables (any others in the Puget Sound?), and none of them are dumps with overly-surly dealers. But the Pacific Northwest isn't Vegas. In Vegas, the cheap tables are at the dumpy places.

I go to Angel's when I want to play craps. Never a problem with their dealers.

From my point of view in Australia: the fact you tipped at all is generous. To tip a dealer here would actually seem almost suspicious... (and in some cases illegal!). You would get side glances from other patrons wondering what is wrong with you.

I should add casino dealers in Australia get paid aroudn $25 an hour. Our wages are far higher and tips are not expected anywhere. Wikipedia would suggest they are increasingly common in restaurants but this would only be by people receiving an absolutely amazing meal and service and can afford the tip. Great service is expected without a tip here. However, our minimum wage is enough to sustain an adult by itself without any tips. The notion of giving a tip makes me not want to gamble in the US when I visit because your odds arn't any better and in some cases far worse. In Australia, American roulette would be laughed at and no one would visit the casino. Generally, European rules are played for every game including roulette and blackjack. If the casino does not appear fair in all aspects it would end up on the news and TV camera crews would be visiting the houses of CEOs (This is not an exaggeration.. they actually have dedicated shows for that behaviour and the less educated Australians watch it with pitchforks in hand). The other great thing about Australia is no one except lawyers know the law at all... lol. So you can complain until you get your way most of the time. The casino's attitude is that its not worth listening to you complain for 20 minutes if it only costs them 50 bucks to make you go away. It is a hillarious place if you guys ever visit!

Quote: miplet

I go to Angel's when I want to play craps. Never a problem with their dealers.

I have never had a problem ever either until that night. And I still go there to play 90% of the time unless im down south at Muckelshoot to play poker and end up having to wait for a table than I will shoot craps there. I pretty much refuse to give Tulalip my money lol