AlanMendelson
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September 6th, 2022 at 2:40:09 PM permalink
Please let's not get into a debate.

I'm asking that the next few times you go to a craps table take note of the number of stick changes and the number of times there's a 7 out with the new stickperson.

No need to debate it.

Just interested in the numbers.

Just for giggles.
ChumpChange
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September 6th, 2022 at 6:35:51 PM permalink
This guy next to me at the Bubble craps machine would lay the 10 for $99 & $1 PL, win, then bet $146 on the lay 10, win, then bet $215 on the lay 10, then cash out at <$320 and walk over to the cashier. He'd be gone for a few minutes, so while it's my turn I can unwrap myself from making Lay bets myself and get on with hitting the PL if possible. I'm about to become a Hot Shooter when he returns, and I threw a 10 a minute before he arrived. As he was putting his money in, I sevened-out. This guy was making what must be at least his 10th trip to the cashier. I'm wondering if they are gonna fill out a CTR on him for bringing up $320 vouchers 30+ times to the cashiers cage. He had a thick wad of $100 bills he was thumbing through to find one to put into the machine.

He said the Seneca Niagara Casino had Shoot To Win where everybody takes a turn to shoot the dice but it was taken out and now they have the other Bubble Craps where each player has their own dice.

When I first sat down to the machine, I lost to point 7-outs about 7 times in a row while not knowing the rest of the machine players were betting dark.
unJon
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September 6th, 2022 at 7:04:40 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Please let's not get into a debate.

I'm asking that the next few times you go to a craps table take note of the number of stick changes and the number of times there's a 7 out with the new stickperson.

No need to debate it.

Just interested in the numbers.

Just for giggles.
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Do you mean on the first roll after thereís a new stick person? Or do you mean the outcome of the current or next point after a stick change.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
AlanMendelson
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September 6th, 2022 at 11:23:44 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Quote: AlanMendelson

Please let's not get into a debate.

I'm asking that the next few times you go to a craps table take note of the number of stick changes and the number of times there's a 7 out with the new stickperson.

No need to debate it.

Just interested in the numbers.

Just for giggles.
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Do you mean on the first roll after thereís a new stick person? Or do you mean the outcome of the current or next point after a stick change.
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How about the first roll with the new stick person?

Was it a seven out or not?
odiousgambit
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September 7th, 2022 at 2:52:03 AM permalink
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[snips] Please let's not get into a debate.

I have to admit I came close to making comments of a predictable nature anyway. I resisted. But the truth is I oddly enjoy entertaining certain superstitions while gambling that I don't anymore believe than I believe the Earth is flat. On the other hand, there are other ones that I also don't believe but that I religiously observe as if true. For example I never switch sides, going from Rightside to Darkside, or vice versa, in the same session. And it has nothing to do with entertaining myself on that one.

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I'm asking that the next few times you go to a craps table take note of the number of stick changes and the number of times there's a 7 out with the new stickperson.

this one isn't much fun for me or real to me and I shake it off easily. Which is not to say I don't notice it sometimes!
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Quote: ChumpChange

[snips] ... now they have the other Bubble Craps where each player has their own dice.

Yeah, I don't like this change, it would allow the designer to determine what bets you make and fiddle with you without worrying the beneficial effect on somebody else going Darkside or whatever, the dice results being un-shared. I don't believe for a second that they would dare actually gaff it all like that! But I can tell you it was all I could think about when I played recently at one, leaving after a few bets.

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When I first sat down to the machine, I lost to point 7-outs about 7 times in a row while not knowing the rest of the machine players were betting dark.

I can see you get these thoughts too but you never admit it's ridiculous to worry about. I admit these concerns are actually pretty far out there.
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The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 
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September 7th, 2022 at 12:21:51 PM permalink
Played this AM. 5 stick changes. 2, 4, 9, 7, 8. The 7 was a comeout winner, not a 7 out. The 9 was a pass line winner.
MrV
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September 7th, 2022 at 1:19:23 PM permalink
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How about the first roll with the new stick person?Was it a seven out or not?



If the first roll is a seven it is a winner, not a seven out.

This should help you gather a meaningful understanding of the rules of the game: https://www.venetianlasvegas.com/casino/table-games/craps-basic-rules.html
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AlanMendelson
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September 7th, 2022 at 2:01:27 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Quote: AlanMendelson

How about the first roll with the new stick person?Was it a seven out or not?



If the first roll is a seven it is a winner, not a seven out.

This should help you gather a meaningful understanding of the rules of the game: https://www.venetianlasvegas.com/casino/table-games/craps-basic-rules.html
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That's correct. There are winner 7s and 7-outs.
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September 7th, 2022 at 2:24:58 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Quote: AlanMendelson

How about the first roll with the new stick person?Was it a seven out or not?



If the first roll is a seven it is a winner, not a seven out.

This should help you gather a meaningful understanding of the rules of the game: https://www.venetianlasvegas.com/casino/table-games/craps-basic-rules.html
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Did you intentionally misread Alanís post? The first roll of the dice with a new stick person does not have to be a come out.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
MrV
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September 7th, 2022 at 3:40:05 PM permalink
No, I did not misread it, I based my response on what I have observed at the craps tables previously.

I do not recall ever seeing a stick change mid-roll; I've always seen them wait for the point to be resolved before doing a stick change.
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