absorrel4
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February 18th, 2020 at 3:03:53 PM permalink
I played an individual craps machine at the "Strat" the last time I was in Vegas. I just saw a Youtube video that they are now also downtown at "The D". Does anybody know if they are at any other Las Vegas Casino near the Strip? They are usually in a bank of 4 machines and each machine has its own small bubble on top of the machine with physical dice inside the bubble. These are not the typical circular bubble craps machines that are everywhere (Shoot To Win).....or the newer "stadium" craps layout. They are truly an individual craps machine with its own set of dice.
LuckyPhow
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February 18th, 2020 at 3:56:15 PM permalink
Quote: absorrel4

I played an individual craps machine ...



This is most interesting. I hope some other WoV member can give details about the machine itself.

I was going to send a "thank you." Then, I saw that this is your first post. Thank you. And welcome to WoV.
7craps
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February 18th, 2020 at 7:49:31 PM permalink
Quote: absorrel4

I played an individual craps machine at the "Strat" the last time I was in Vegas. I just saw a Youtube video that they are now also downtown at "The D".

The Don稚 Pass For Dummies 4.0,
the video created by BigAZ Craps Guru
a big time hedge player and loser that claims he is a GURU and a... (lifetime winner)

ok
mentions interblock in the video (not the folks that make shoot to win craps)

as to other installs or trials in Vegas
I know of no others as of today
that can easily change
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
DJTeddyBear
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February 18th, 2020 at 8:34:20 PM permalink
I haven稚 seen it yet, but I値l tell you where I壇 play it if I saw it:

McCarran!
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TDVegas
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February 18th, 2020 at 11:10:48 PM permalink
The D and The Strat have them. The Park MGM had them (or possibly similar) but I believe it was removed. Station Casinos has removed all Shoot to Win craps from their local Vegas properties including the Palms. My "birdie" is telling me they will be installing new Interblock machines...which may be the single seat craps version. Can't confirm. I'll know more by the end of the month as far as installations.

Aruze (shoot to win) craps is a 10 year old design that hasn't been updated....Interblock has been taking over. I suspect more of these single seat stations will find a home on the Strip and elsewhere. There have been rumors that comp point hustlers have been utilizing 2 terminals to rack up points on shoot to win and stadium style layouts...frustrating slot managers. I can't confirm that rumor. I've heard more excuses than I can count for their removal.

Casino floor is all about maximizing profit. These games at 1.41% house edge are not nearly as profitable as traditional slots...but are installed for diversity. Craps players bring wives, spouses, girlfriends (or boyfriends) who may partake in other higher profit games. I'm hoping to see more of these single seat stations. As noted, as of today I believe it's the Strat and D for now.
FleaStiff
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February 19th, 2020 at 3:11:41 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Casino floor is all about maximizing profit. These games at 1.41% house edge are not nearly as profitable as traditional slots...but are installed for diversity. Craps players bring wives, spouses, girlfriends (or boyfriends) who may partake in other higher profit games. I'm hoping to see more of these single seat stations.

Blackjack and craps with live dealers requires open space, lights and surveillance cameras galore. Any floor plan analyst will be happy to put a 1.41% machine in a nook or cranny rather than devoting prime floor space to it,
That way the need for variety is met by using sub-prime floor space somewhat distant from the primary ebb and flow corridors.
jetzzfan
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February 19th, 2020 at 5:45:42 AM permalink
It's not in Las Vegas, but a casino in Arizona (where live dice aren't allowed) just put in a few of these. They are also subject to Arizona's $35 maximum bet for electronic games.
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February 19th, 2020 at 7:37:52 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Casino floor is all about maximizing profit. These games at 1.41% house edge are not nearly as profitable as traditional slots...but are installed for diversity. Craps players bring wives, spouses, girlfriends (or boyfriends) who may partake in other higher profit games. I'm hoping to see more of these single seat stations. As noted, as of today I believe it's the Strat and D for now.


I worry about craps, especially with the proliferation of the bubble machines. Offhand the game seems bulletproof; casinos might tweak it by adding new high HE side bets, but the core game (with it's payouts) remains the same regardless of whether you're playing at the Wynn or Whiskey Pete's.

In this age of watered down pay tables, 6:5 blackjack and triple 0 roulette, however, what's to stop them from changing the line odds to 9:5, 7:5, 7:6, and changing the place odds to 5:3, 4:3, 8:7? You could argue that since craps is a game that takes some time to learn, the players will easily spot the change leading to an angry revolt, and you might be right ... but that doesn't mean they won't try.
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TDVegas
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February 19th, 2020 at 8:24:25 AM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

I worry about craps, especially with the proliferation of the bubble machines. Offhand the game seems bulletproof; casinos might tweak it by adding new high HE side bets, but the core game (with it's payouts) remains the same regardless of whether you're playing at the Wynn or Whiskey Pete's.

In this age of watered down pay tables, 6:5 blackjack and triple 0 roulette, however, what's to stop them from changing the line odds to 9:5, 7:5, 7:6, and changing the place odds to 5:3, 4:3, 8:7? You could argue that since craps is a game that takes some time to learn, the players will easily spot the change leading to an angry revolt, and you might be right ... but that doesn't mean they won't try.


They have already watered down the ATS bet in many casinos. It's possible. In this environment...I wouldn't be surprised with anything the casinos do to increase their hold.

Craps is a dinosaur in terms of operation costs. 2 dealers, stickman, boxman to man 1 table. If it wasn't for tradition and player outrage....the game would have been retired or they would come up with alternatives. Bubble craps.

If it was any other business product in terms of cost to operate....it would be in a museum. It stil makes money, obviously....but it's a rotary phone in a world of technology advancement and how many employees it takes to operate. Think of the 1950's when 4 guys at a gas station would surround your vehicle to pump gas, clean the windshield, check the oil and put air in your tires.

I really have no idea if craps popularity is waning or changing. Electronic craps won't help the cause of table craps. Aruze has installed 3 or 4 Roll to Win Craps tables. Traditional size table. 1 stickman. Bets are made on individual player touchscreen and the table surface is some type of proprietary LCD screen. Looks like an electronic pinball with bets "zapping" to their numbers. Players roll regulation dice just like traditional craps....1 employee to run the game.
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FleaStiff
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February 20th, 2020 at 4:01:40 AM permalink
Individual Bubble Craps machines at 'THE D": Two short videos were recently posted on youtube.

Not all that thrilling because the video shows a rather small, off-color screen but YMMD.

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