WatchMeWin
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October 29th, 2019 at 10:48:32 AM permalink
There is a new electronic device implemented into the craps table .... and this should be very concerning to all. It is a circular dotted ring embedded flush with the craps table under the phelp. The electronic lights show red and green after each roll.

They say it is to count the number of rolls.. Not sure why the hell they need to do that. If the technology is there to do something like this, what else are they doing?
Has anyone else seen this? I saw it at Harrah's Philadelphia. Any thoughts...?
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October 29th, 2019 at 11:05:23 AM permalink
What are you concerned that it is doing?
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October 29th, 2019 at 11:05:31 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

phelp.



Felt.

Also, how does this change the house edge?
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October 29th, 2019 at 11:05:38 AM permalink
I can't begin to understand why this would be alarming.

It would help with any kind of "most rolls before 7ing out" type promotions.
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October 29th, 2019 at 11:14:32 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

There is a new electronic device implemented into the craps table .... and this should be very concerning to all. It is a circular dotted ring embedded flush with the craps table under the phelp. The electronic lights show red and green after each roll.

They say it is to count the number of rolls.. Not sure why the hell they need to do that. If the technology is there to do something like this, what else are they doing?
Has anyone else seen this? I saw it at Harrah's Philadelphia. Any thoughts...?



Player tracking/rating and dealer speed auditing is my guess. The actual speed of the game (number of rolls per hour) is an important stat for both (if that is the primary purpose of this implementation).
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October 29th, 2019 at 11:29:34 AM permalink
Surveillance will be watching who wins what bet on what roll. If there's a contest to roll 40 times before a 7-out for $250 on a $1 bet, ($50 bet max), that might be worth it.
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October 29th, 2019 at 12:27:25 PM permalink
I donít find this alarming at all.
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October 29th, 2019 at 12:42:49 PM permalink
No one mentions magnets? Shocking!
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October 29th, 2019 at 12:56:21 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

No one mentions magnets? Shocking!



Maybe because that would be as relevant to be worried about as worying about a led disc installed in the table.


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October 29th, 2019 at 3:51:45 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

There is a new electronic device implemented into the craps table .... and this should be very concerning to all. It is a circular dotted ring embedded flush with the craps table under the phelp. The electronic lights show red and green after each roll.

They say it is to count the number of rolls.. Not sure why the hell they need to do that. If the technology is there to do something like this, what else are they doing?
Has anyone else seen this? I saw it at Harrah's Philadelphia. Any thoughts...?



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October 29th, 2019 at 4:14:46 PM permalink
I, too, am not sure what I'm supposed to be alarmed about.
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October 29th, 2019 at 4:55:43 PM permalink
Iím not alarmed but I am curious if anyone knows what this is, and what it does. If thereís a cool, new craps feature bet based on this, Iíd be interested in knowing about it.
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October 29th, 2019 at 4:59:56 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

I can't begin to understand why this would be alarming.

It would help with any kind of "most rolls before 7ing out" type promotions.



i have found a patent which aligns to this idea, and is recent, but is abandoned.

if anyone is interested im pretty sure the drawings for this patent are a table which show the probabilities of the consecutive rolls

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20120034970A1/en
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October 30th, 2019 at 9:55:35 AM permalink
No, it is not a side bet. Electronics now built into the base/surface of electronic craps table. Technology is there .. Possibilities are endless.
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October 30th, 2019 at 1:54:24 PM permalink
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No, it is not a side bet. Electronics now built into the base/surface of electronic craps table. Technology is there .. Possibilities are endless.



Like sex robots embedded in the felt?
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October 30th, 2019 at 3:07:55 PM permalink
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Like sex robots embedded in the felt?

Lay the 10!
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October 30th, 2019 at 9:33:51 PM permalink
Edit: Nevermind; not well thought out.
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October 31st, 2019 at 1:57:40 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

No one mentions magnets? Shocking!

He's already claimed there are magnets controlling bubble craps rolls.
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October 31st, 2019 at 7:31:26 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Lay the 10!



Absolutely!
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October 31st, 2019 at 7:34:46 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

He's already claimed there are magnets controlling bubble craps rolls.



So, you are saying you believe there could be magnets in the new craps tables? That's crazy dide! I don't think you play enough craps to make that assertion.
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October 31st, 2019 at 11:32:21 AM permalink
If I were installing this, I would be doing it as an audit check on the floor crew. If the table can read the dice based on which faces hit the surface, a crew colluding with one or more shooters would be quickly found out. For example: 4 in the morning, crooked crew and confederates on the table alone.

Bet the Dont, throw the dice in the dealer corner where it's hard for security to read the faces, easy 6, next dice same place, crooked stick calls out "seven" and pulls them in fast or tumbles them, crooked dealer pays the shooter. Or any number of other ways.
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October 31st, 2019 at 2:58:43 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

The electronic lights show red and green after each roll.


There's only one thing I have seen that matches this description, and I have seen it at a fair number of casinos.

After each roll, the stick man pulls the dice back (with the stick) and places them in the circle. The lights change color then change back when the stick man moves the dice to the shooter. The dice may remain in the circle for a period while the crew pays bets and accepts new wagers, or the dice may be in the circle for only an instant before being moved on.

The only function I have been able to decipher is keeping track of how long the crew takes between rolls, or the number of rolls in a particular time period. I have never noticed anything to be alarmed about. I have no idea whether the sensor is detecting anything about the dice other than their presence in the circle between rolls, but I suppose there could be some kind of electronic inspection process.
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November 3rd, 2019 at 11:28:55 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

So, you are saying you believe there could be magnets in the new craps tables? That's crazy dide! I don't think you play enough craps to make that assertion.

I would guess there's magnets in most electronic devices. I don't know enough about electronics to know for sure). I'M CERTAIN THERE ARE NO MAGNETS CONTROLLING ANY OUTCOMES OF ELECTRONIC CRAPS YOU HAVE COME ACROSS IN CASINOS HERE IN THE USA.

If it were true it seems like you could exploit it by betting opposite of the heavy action for smaller amount or something like that. Unless they only implement it when everybody is on the same bets.

And yes, I actually have some experience playing bubble craps, and yet I know very little about craps, I just bet xyz for good reason.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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