Unusual Bets
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To start off, why would a player want to place the 9 for $36?
Quote: pwcrabbBreakage bets placed on boxes 6 and 8 are very common player errors. For example, $10 placed on 8 will win $11, and $25 placed on 8 will win $29. Experienced dealers handle such breakage bets without trouble. Let's talk about some truly unusual bets that can cause a dealer to wish that he had imbibed a bit less the previous night.
To start off, why would a player want to place the 9 for $36?
$36
$35 plus $1 breakage
pays
$49 plus $1 breakage
pays $50?
Why would someone make such a bet as a Place bet, which I have seen made and booked without dealer objection? The player pressed his winning normal $15 Place bet to $36.
I told her she could get a free extra $1 when it hit by simply placing the same $3 down and saying "hop the sevens" but she refused to do it because she said she'd been playing this way for 40 years. She wouldn't change a word for the extra dollar.
I wonder how many of those free dollars she has lost in that time.
Because they dont know or care about breakage. Maybe the dealer already advised him before or maybe not.Quote: pwcrabbBuying the 9 for $36 is a different bet. I need to know why someone would place the 9 for $36.
It could be that he momentarily confused the Place 9 with the Place 8 correct amounts. It could be that he just doesn't know the correct amounts to bet. Maybe he saw another player press his winning 6 or 8 bet up to $36 and he thought that would be a good idea for his 9. He might know that the proper odds bet for the 9 must be an even number and incorrectly assumed the same for the Place 9. Maybe it's some personal superstition.Quote: pwcrabbWhy would someone make such a bet as a Place bet, which I have seen made and booked without dealer objection? The player pressed his winning normal $15 Place bet to $36.
I've seen all kinds at the Craps table. I once played at a table in Biloxi; not sure if the guy was mentally disabled or what, but he kept grabbing handfuls of his chips, tossing them onto the table, and calling out bets that he heard others call out. It was very apparent that did not understand many of the bets he was making. At one point, someone bet a two-way yo. Upon hearing this, this guy grabs a handful of chips, tosses them on the table, and calls out "Two-way yo!" I'm not sure he knew what a "yo" was, and I'm certain he had no clue what the "two-way" part meant.
This^^. In my experience, unless the table is super busy, the dealers will typically warn the player once when he tries to bet an improper amount on a given bet. If the player ignores the dealer, he won't advise them a second time.Quote: Ace2Because they dont know or care about breakage. Maybe the dealer already advised him before or maybe not.
No, no. Mon Dieu!! Its 'three-way hop', but you do not utter the word "seven" or encourage anyone else to do so.Quote: sodawaterThe other day I saw an old, chain-smoking lady betting a $3 big red bet every roll after a point.
I told her she could get a free extra $1 when it hit by simply placing the same $3 down and saying "hop the sevens" but she refused to do it because she said she'd been playing this way for 40 years. She wouldn't change a word for the extra dollar.
Too painful a sum to contemplate.Quote: sodawaterI wonder how many of those free dollars she has lost in that time.
The better casinos usually have better dealers and will automatically do things like "throw me a white" or booking a place bet as a buy bet. Lammers are easier to deal with than a customer sometimes.
I agree on not using the forbidden word. Even if you are not superstitious yourself, there is no reason to agitate others at the table. I think I have heard the wager expressed as, "Hop the reds" or perhaps "... the big reds", and I think that works for everyone.Quote: FleaStiffNo, no. Mon Dieu!! Its 'three-way hop', but you do not utter the word "seven" or encourage anyone else to do so.
Quote: DocI agree on not using the forbidden word. Even if you are not superstitious yourself, there is no reason to agitate others at the table. I think I have heard the wager expressed as, "Hop the reds" or perhaps "... the big reds", and I think that works for everyone.
Buddy of mine likes to order a seven and seven at the table. Might be my fault he does that.
LOL.Quote: AZDuffmanBuddy of mine likes to order a seven and seven at the table. Might be my fault he does that.
I would align myself with Doc's crowd: No need to agitate ... . It is not as if I believed even one of the dice has ears. Its more about inviting trouble from obnoxious drunks or creating time-wasting diversions. No need to actually believe in nonsense.
Quote: FleaStiffLOL.
I would align myself with Doc's crowd: No need to agitate ... . It is not as if I believed even one of the dice has ears. Its more about inviting trouble from obnoxious drunks or creating time-wasting diversions. No need to actually believe in nonsense.
I told my craps instructor about it, he was one of those guys had every job in the casino by his mid-30s and thus had a life sentence in the gaming industry. I tell him, he stone-faces for a second or two, then says he would throw the guy out on his head.
Guy still does it, still my fault.
I say they do not have to play with many $1 cheques.Quote: pwcrabbTo start off, why would a player want to place the 9 for $36?
very common bet actually. Just my small time playing and dealing dice, I have seen that many many times.
$36 pays $50 and is left up to win again.
$35 pays $49 is also a common event (place 5 and place 9) as the player will get ready to drop $1 to the table for $50 payout. I even had players drop $5 and ask for change right there to keep their supply of $1s greater than 0.
imo, many players that bet red and green do not have that many $1s, do not like to make change just for that, and like to use those for hardways and cocktail waitress tips.
Perhaps the player merely continued another bad habit which he had learned from his Uncle Billy. Casinos loved old Billy.
I loved the story about the old woman who stayed with Big Red all that time. I wonder who originally gave her that idea.
Lets say someone places the 9 for $23. Would the dealer payout winnings of $20 * 7/5 + $3 = $31 or would he calculate $23 * 7/5 = $32.30, rounded down is $32? Or maybe a stingy place would just payout $20 * 7/5 = $28?Quote: pwcrabbBreakage bets placed on boxes 6 and 8 are very common player errors. For example, $10 placed on 8 will win $11, and $25 placed on 8 will win $29. Experienced dealers handle such breakage bets without trouble.
What kind of idiot would make an even money bet on six and / or eight when the number can be placed, and thereby give a better than even money payoff when it hits?
Must be a lot of idiots playing craps.
Quote: MrV
Must be a lot of idiots playing craps.
I would say a lot of uninformed players not necessarily idiots.
Your answer in Mississippi is $33. $23*1.5 rounded down from $34.50 to $34, then less $1 vig.Quote: Ace2Lets say someone places the 9 for $23. Would the dealer payout winnings of $20 * 7/5 + $3 = $31 or would he calculate $23 * 7/5 = $32.30, rounded down is $32? Or maybe a stingy place would just payout $20 * 7/5 = $28?
Are you sure ? $33/$23 is better than 7/5. Why would they multiply by 1.5 instead of 1.4?Quote: DeMangoYour answer in Mississippi is $33. $23*1.5 rounded down from $34.50 to $34, then less $1 vig.
Quote: Ace2Are you sure ? $33/$23 is better than 7/5. Why would they multiply by 1.5 instead of 1.4?
DeMango didn't answer your question. He's describing a buy bet on the 9, not a place bet on the 9.
Quote: Ace2Are you sure ? $33/$23 is better than 7/5. Why would they multiply by 1.5 instead of 1.4?
Because MS is an automatic buy, unlike the Neanderthals in Vegas
Quote: wilbsmittDeMango didn't answer your question. He's describing a buy bet on the 9, not a place bet on the 9.
Well, if you are at certain Evil Empire establishments it goes either way. $25 nine pays $35. $24 nine pays $35! Go figure. There is one casino down here where you cannot buy the 5/9 for less than $50, idiots. Anyway you can insist on lower payouts, but why would you?
That conversion to a buy bet is a better deal for the bettor only if the commission is charged on win only (very rare for 5/9 I think) or if the commission is less than 4%. Are you saying that in MS they wont charge $2 unless the bet is $40 (5%) ?Quote: DeMangoYour answer in Mississippi is $33. $23*1.5 rounded down from $34.50 to $34, then less $1 vig.
Incidentally, this is all just out of curiosity. I would never make a place or buy bet due to the high house edge. I only bet pass/DP/come/DC with full odds
Less than half a percent which is impressive, especially for a long shot (one in seven) bet in a sucker gameQuote: DeMangoFWIW: The bought 12 in Tunica is way under 1%. A $35 twelve pays $209!
Too bad its in Tunica. Mississippi!
All casinos allow this on all point numbers...its the free odds betQuote: MrVAs an inducement to book more action, casinos might consider allowing bettors to buy the four or ten WITHOUT paying vig, thus allowing true odds, provided the bettor has other, "normal" bets on the layout of equal or greater value.
once upon a time in New Mexico this was done on several casinos. Santa Anna Star was one culprit, a no vig buy starting at $10Quote: Ace2All casinos allow this on all point numbers...its the free odds bet
a 'bought 12' is a bet where you are a winner if 12 comes up before 7?Quote: DeMangoFWIW: The bought 12 in Tunica is way under 1%. A $35 twelve pays $209!
never heard of it.
the well known one roll bet of giving $35 to the dealer 'for a 12' would pay $1050 , but that bet loses 35/36 times
Thats Crapless Craps, where all numbers (other than 7) are points. Ive never played but I know how it worksQuote: odiousgambita 'bought 12' is a bet where you are a winner if 12 comes up before 7?
Quote: odiousgambita 'bought 12' is a bet where you are a winner if 12 comes up before 7?
never heard of it.
the well known one roll bet of giving $35 to the dealer 'for a 12' would pay $1050 , but that bet loses 35/36 times
Its only a bet in crapsless craps.
Ive never been there. Hell, never been to NM.Quote: DeMangoonce upon a time in New Mexico this was done on several casinos. Santa Anna Star was one culprit, a no vig buy starting at $10
But the Santa Anna Star is often mentioned for STILL doing that.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIve never been there. Hell, never been to NM.
But the Santa Anna Star is often mentioned for STILL doing that.
Gotta wonder why only in New Mexico has there been recently price wars amongst casino craps tables.
A loooong time ago remember Fitz in Tunica rolling out the fifty cent pieces matching Grand Casino with paying $14.50 on the 5/9, $19.50 on the 4/10 for $10 automatic buy bets, $25 5/9 paid $36.50!
And they only used them for those small bets. IE. buy for $20 or more, including odd amounts, and the vig is multiples of $1.
