WatchMeWin
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June 19th, 2018 at 11:55:06 AM permalink
Im heading up to the Bethlehem area this week and will probably stop in Sands. Does anyone here play there... do the craps tables stay crowded and how many tables do they normally have open?
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June 19th, 2018 at 11:57:55 AM permalink
DjTeddyBear is probably the most qualified here to answer.

But I will say that all my experiences at Sands Bethleham has been absurdly crowded tables with high miniums.
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June 19th, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM permalink
I only played there once about a year back. As I recall they had 6 tables: 4 at $15 minimum and 2 at $25 (that was on a Sunday afternoon). I didn't have any trouble finding a spot at one of the $15 tables. Plenty of room, of course, at the $25 tables.
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June 19th, 2018 at 1:28:55 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

DjTeddyBear is probably the most qualified here to answer.

Yeah, I致e been going there about once each week, although I知 starting to shift my business to Resorts World in the Catskills.

Quote: TumblingBones

I only played there once about a year back. As I recall they had 6 tables: 4 at $15 minimum and 2 at $25 (that was on a Sunday afternoon). I didn't have any trouble finding a spot at one of the $15 tables. Plenty of room, of course, at the $25 tables.

Yeah, that痴 about right. You *might* find a $10 table early in the day, but don稚 count on it. $15 tables are no problem although they might be tight. Then again they might be empty.
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June 19th, 2018 at 1:55:05 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Yeah, I致e been going there about once each week, although I知 starting to shift my business to Resorts World in the Catskills.


I, for one, would be interested in hearing you take on Resort World. Haven't checked it out yet and wasn't sure if it was worth getting off the Thruway for when passing by. Not, however, suggesting ahijack of this thread but maybe an add-on to this one.
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June 19th, 2018 at 6:23:13 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Yeah, I致e been going there about once each week, although I知 starting to shift my business to Resorts World in the Catskills.



If you are in Bethlehem on Thursday and want to play some craps, send me a PM and maybe we and meet up.
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June 21st, 2018 at 8:57:29 AM permalink
Anyone around Bethlehem Sands ready to make some money?
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June 21st, 2018 at 9:41:07 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Anyone around Bethlehem Sands ready to make some money?

I think Sheldon Adelson is already doing that... or at least he was but I heard he sold the place but let the buyers keep the name.
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June 21st, 2018 at 10:03:08 AM permalink
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I think Sheldon Adelson is already doing that... or at least he was but I heard he sold the place but let the buyers keep the name.



Fake news. Ownership change will be official by Q1 or Q2 2019. Name will then change to Wind Creek Casino Resort Bethlehem.*

*Pending regulatory approval.
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June 21st, 2018 at 11:35:43 AM permalink
Quote: Jmarch79

Fake news. Ownership change will be official by Q1 or Q2 2019. Name will then change to Wind Creek Casino Resort Bethlehem.*

*Pending regulatory approval.



Wind Creek? The people in Alabama?

Ugh. Or better yet, since someone is sure to claim I made an NA slur, yuck. Maybe PA gaming will overrule some of their uglier tendencies.
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June 21st, 2018 at 11:57:18 AM permalink
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Wind Creek? The people in Alabama?

Ugh. Or better yet, since someone is sure to claim I made an NA slur, yuck. Maybe PA gaming will overrule some of their uglier tendencies.



Yep, the Poarch Band of Creek Indians of Alabama. I too wonder if they will be open to the very controlled regulations of the Commonwealth. Factor in a 55% tax rate on slots and 16% on table games, when they are accustomed to paying nothing, they will try to get out of that some way using the Native American card. PA will hear nothing of that though, rest assured.
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June 21st, 2018 at 1:37:06 PM permalink
I知 sure they knew all that before buying the Sands.

After all, they wouldn稚 be the first tribe to take their casino profits and experience and try to run or own a commercial / non-NA casino.
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June 21st, 2018 at 2:11:48 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I知 sure they knew all that before buying the Sands.

After all, they wouldn稚 be the first tribe to take their casino profits and experience and try to run or own a commercial / non-NA casino.



I am not disputing they didn't know about the tax rate, I am just saying it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't try to do something about it.

Edited: to source this Morning Call article where the three casinos they currently own enjoy tax free revenue.
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June 21st, 2018 at 2:56:01 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Wind Creek? The people in Alabama?

Ugh. Or better yet, since someone is sure to claim I made an NA slur, yuck. Maybe PA gaming will overrule some of their uglier tendencies.



I go to Sands often. What changes for the worse should I be expecting to see ?
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June 21st, 2018 at 3:29:02 PM permalink
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I go to Sands often. What changes for the worse should I be expecting to see ?



If I speculated, I would almost surely be wrong. So I'll pass.

I went to Wind Creek briefly. Was so unimpressed looking at slot and table pay tables, I didn't drop a dime. Just got back in my car.

Otoh, PA has some of the strongest pro-player regulations anywhere, just from what you folks have said the last few years, so perhaps they just follow the model. Might just be looking to invest some of the insane profits they're making in Alabsma.
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June 21st, 2018 at 3:37:59 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

If I speculated, I would almost surely be wrong. So I'll pass.

I went to Wind Creek briefly. Was so unimpressed looking at slot and table pay tables, I didn't drop a dime. Just got back in my car.

Otoh, PA has some of the strongest pro-player regulations anywhere, just from what you folks have said the last few years, so perhaps they just follow the model. Might just be looking to invest some of the insane profits they're making in Alabsma.



I think they will just follow the model as you said. Wind Creek has very limited table games experience, and Sands Bethlehem is state's leader for that. As the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I could see Wind Creek making the Bethlehem property the flagship of the company. LVS has looked at Sands Bethlehem as the smallest, least desirable property of their portfolio for quite some time - and have been trying to sell it off. A property of this magnitude could show how Wind Creek Hospitality wants to be taken seriously in the gaming world. Speculation, but just my opinion.
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June 22nd, 2018 at 2:40:26 PM permalink
I was at Bethlehem Sands for a couple of hours yesterday. I was pleasantly surprised with the property. They had for craps tables open and they weren't too crowded . There was good flow to the dice and the dealers were fairly decent. I succeeded with my hit-and-run goal and was happy to take the W.

Just like in the movie Hoosiers, coach said that no matter where you play the basketball Rim is always 10 ft and the dimensions of the courts are all the same.

Walking around the Bethlehem steel plant was awesome! So much history. One good thing Trump is doing is bringing back American Steel.
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June 4th, 2019 at 3:16:26 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

If I speculated, I would almost surely be wrong. So I'll pass.

I went to Wind Creek briefly. Was so unimpressed looking at slot and table pay tables, I didn't drop a dime. Just got back in my car.

Otoh, PA has some of the strongest pro-player regulations anywhere, just from what you folks have said the last few years, so perhaps they just follow the model. Might just be looking to invest some of the insane profits they're making in Alabsma.



Sands in Bethlehem officially became Wind Creek Casino yesterday. Going by the press releases it sounds like they have some big plans for expansion , doubling the size of the hotel, building a water park next door.

I値l be curious to see if they get sports betting, and how player friendly the slots and table games will be
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June 4th, 2019 at 5:02:30 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Im heading up to the Bethlehem area this week and will probably stop in Sands. Does anyone here play there... do the craps tables stay crowded and how many tables do they normally have open?



i live right next to it and when you hear me speaking about blackjack its what im talking about
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