Laymedown
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March 27th, 2018 at 8:07:26 PM permalink
Hey guys/gals, I'm very thankful for to full explanation of the HORN BETS and payouts however, I'm seeing many posts on DC and can not understand why someone would bet it. Why not just lay the number of choice instead?

Example:
put 100 on Don't come
(if 7 gets rolled you lose it)
(If 4 gets rolled then the DC goes to the 4) at this point if the 7 gets rolled it wins even money.
That part is all fine and dandy.

It's the odds i'm referring to now.
I understand that if I put 200 odds behind the 4
If a seven gets rolled I will 50% of the odds.

Why not just lay the desired point instead? it still pays 50% ? ? ?

In other words If I know i'm gonna lay 200 odds on the 100 DC bet why not just put the 300 on DC and get 100% payout when the seven comes.
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sodawater
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March 27th, 2018 at 8:54:34 PM permalink
Because the DC with odds has a far lower house edge than lay bets.
Ace2
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March 27th, 2018 at 9:01:34 PM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

Why not just lay the desired point instead? it still pays 50% ? ? ?

It pays 47.5% net of commission.
ontariodealer
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March 27th, 2018 at 9:09:56 PM permalink
it costs you 5% to lay any number.
get second you pig
Laymedown
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March 27th, 2018 at 10:24:46 PM permalink
Are you saying if I DC 100 then put 200 odds in behind a number I don't have to pay the 5% ?

I know when I lay the numbers on come out roll I have to pay the 5% (vig)
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charliepatrick
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March 27th, 2018 at 11:20:29 PM permalink
^ That's exactly what is being said.

If you have a Dont' Come (or Don't Pass) bet then you can have an odds bet once the point has been established. It's the same idea as Come (or Pass) bets except with Don't you're putting more to win less. For the 4 or 10 you bet \$200 to win \$100; similarly for the other points \$150, \$120.

If you lay the number as a bet then, at some stage in the process depending on the casino, either the payout will be less or you have to bet more to win the same. For instance in the UK you have to bet £220 to win £100, in the US you pay "vig".

As you know, unlike Come odds, usually Don't Come odds and Lay bets always work on the come out - although it's worth double checking.
Laymedown
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March 28th, 2018 at 9:58:06 AM permalink
True. Existing Don't Come bets along with odds and Lay bets always work on the come out. Unfortunately you can not make a new DC on come out.
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AcesAndEights
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March 28th, 2018 at 10:16:30 AM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

Unfortunately you can not make a new DC on come out.

You do realize that this is the exact same thing as a Don't Pass bet, right?
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Laymedown
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March 28th, 2018 at 10:25:16 AM permalink
I know there is a DP but was referring to DC and DC lay odds. I think I have it now. I think i got all the info on DC and LAY ODDS down. I am a GURU now.
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mustangsally
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March 28th, 2018 at 10:41:52 AM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

Example:
put 100 on Don't come
(if 7 gets rolled you lose it)

a 7 or an 11. that makes 8 ways to lose on the very next roll
Quote: Laymedown

(If 4 gets rolled then the DC goes to the 4) at this point if the 7 gets rolled it wins even money.
That part is all fine and dandy.

The DC can also win with a 2 or 3 roll on the very next roll. \$100 wins \$100.
that can happen 3 ways, exactly
the number of ways a 4 can roll

in other words, only 2/3 of the time does a DC bet travel to a point box.
Quote: Laymedown

In other words If I know i'm gonna lay 200 odds on the 100 DC bet why not just put the 300 on DC and get 100% payout when the seven comes.

DC4 or DC 10 at 100/200 layOdds pays 200 and down

Lay4 at \$300 pays \$150 - the vig
Most casinos I have played at only charge the vig win the bet wins.
that is super cool in my book.

I like your Lay all numbers for come out roll.
I too have done that a few times.
Especially when a 7 winner rolls 3 times in a row and all the other craps players have no idea why you won all your bets.

Lay bets get no respect cuz they are not understood my the majority.

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