mike5885
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August 4th, 2017 at 9:13:22 AM permalink
i predominately play, using a 3 pt Molly approach, pass with odds, 2 CBs with odds, predominately from the Do side (90-95% of the time), but have had sessions where played exclusively from the donts

generally play on 3-4-5x odds tables
starting off at 1x odd on the 4&10, 2x odds 5&9, and 3 odds units on the 6&8, then start pressing the odds when winning, esp if the line of 6 or 8, like taking odds heavy there

occasionally, I will through in a no 4 or no 10, for 40-50, to win 20-25

I do no center or prop bets, none

Field Question???
my friends Dad, plays almost as I do above, accept much bigger odds then me, has a larger bankroll by many magnitude

he was telling me to use the field, but only for a specific situation

said first the 12 must be 3 to1 paying. else do not do it
then he only bets the field 1 unit, when the combination of his line & CBs, cover the 5,6,8, other then that he does not do it
and will do it for every roll that all 3 of those are covered
when one comes done he stops the field

what is the rationale? sounds like part of an Iron Cross or something for a specific situation?
would this be a hedge? lower variance?
any stats on something like this?

thanks, looking forward to the boards thoughts
Melco
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August 4th, 2017 at 12:01:51 PM permalink
The house edge does not change for winning the field bet because he has other bets out there. For the field bet that pays 3:1 on the 12, the HE is 2.78%.

The only way your friend's dad "loses" is when he 7's out, so it feels like it's a great bet because you only lose one way (well, 6 ways out of 36 technically). When he does 7 out, those losses in the long run will be more than the individual wins along the way. Essentially, it allows 30/36 rolls to be a "winning" combination, even though the wins will never outlast the losses in the long run.

EDIT: And to be clear, the field bet loses along the way if the field numbers are not hit. Those will accumulate over time along with the 7-outs.

"Thou shalt not hedge thy bets." ~Wizard
boymimbo
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August 4th, 2017 at 12:43:51 PM permalink
Correct?

What putting money on the field does is spread out the variance while increasing the total bet. If the bettor decided to put more money on the come odds and not play the field then he would experience more variance and bigger wins since the odds bets have zero HA.
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cowboy
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September 21st, 2017 at 2:56:35 PM permalink
Quote: mike5885

he was telling me to use the field, but only for a specific situation

said first the 12 must be 3 to1 paying. else do not do it
then he only bets the field 1 unit, when the combination of his line & CBs, cover the 5,6,8, other then that he does not do it
and will do it for every roll that all 3 of those are covered
when one comes done he stops the field

what is the rationale? sounds like part of an Iron Cross or something for a specific situation?
would this be a hedge? lower variance?
any stats on something like this?

thanks, looking forward to the boards thoughts

I have played that way a few times. I like the idea of getting something on any number but you know what. Was at a \$10 table at the Fallsview recently and had \$18 place bets on both 6 and 8 and point was a 5. Lasted quite awhile and didn't feel bad about 6 and 8 hitting as I still was making \$11 each time.

Normally I won't play that way but once you have recovered all the money you have out on the table then you may as well go with it as long as the run lasts. My 6 and 8 would have already hit a few times for me to have gone up a unit. I do keep an eye out for the 5-6-8 combination when I'm up and will switch from my normally conservative point/odds plus place 6 and 8 system.
100xOdds
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November 6th, 2017 at 5:53:15 AM permalink
5,6,8 + field = 'Anything but 7' strategy

for me, I play 3 point Molly with placing the 6 and 8.

if passline = 5, then I also add a field bet (if Triple 12).
as long as the #s are still only 5,6,8, I keep putting \$ on the Field.
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FleaStiff
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November 6th, 2017 at 6:09:33 AM permalink
Line Bets w/ Odds is good.
Come Bets w/ Odds is pretty much the same thing. The math is identical but you do well if its an immediate seven.
(I won't quibble about DontPass or DontCome, no real difference in the math).

I always "feel" the impending doom of that Seven rolling and think if you are going to have money on the table, get it there earlier rather than later, but this does not change the house edge and may not be a valid consideration anyway.

The Field Bet:
I agree if either the 2 or the 12 pays extra, go for it but most of your money should be on the odds bets and the line bets. Many craps players just put a two-way in the field since they don't really care too much for making field bets.
Mission146
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November 14th, 2017 at 10:00:23 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

The Field Bet:
I agree if either the 2 or the 12 pays extra, go for it but most of your money should be on the odds bets and the line bets. Many craps players just put a two-way in the field since they don't really care too much for making field bets.

Even then, I think the Field Bet is terrible and running poorly can eat a player alive. I usually favor HE per Bet Resolved, but the Field (compared to Line/Place and maybe even Hard Way bets---same HE per roll) is one where I really think it's better to look at, "Per Roll."
Vultures can't be choosers.
cowboy
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November 16th, 2017 at 1:04:56 PM permalink
If you are trying to mainly play using the Casino's money, your biggest enemy is boredom. That's why I like the 5-6-8 plus field when the circumstances are correct for me (see prior post).

Standing to win something 5 times out of 6 does a lot to combat boredom, and because I don't play the center table bets, allows more fun and the occasional cheer when the funny numbers come out.
cowboy
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December 14th, 2017 at 12:12:16 AM permalink
Major coincidence. I just returned from 10 days in Vegas and in one of my sessions at the Excalibur, things set up to wager as described.

I would never be one to claim a dozen and a half Yos in a row, but truly, shortly after I started betting the Field, the shooter rolled the following four rolls in succession: 2, 12, 2, 2.

It was most pleasing.
GWAE
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