Place bets on the hard ways
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That is about all there is to say about them but I do have a little more math on my Odds site.
The question for the poll is would you bet these?
The COME bet is underappreciated as it is.
as far as "only win if the specified hard way is rolled before a seven", this different aspect just costs too much
PS: it is interesting that the probability of winning, and the HE, is the same regardless of the bet. It took me a moment to understand why.
Quote: Wizard...The(y) evidently work like regular place bets but only win if the specified hard way is rolled before a seven...]
Does that mean that, unlike "Hardway" bets, they don't lose if the specified number comes in "Easy"?
Quote: AyecarumbaDoes that mean that, unlike "Hardway" bets, they don't lose if the specified number comes in "Easy"?
it has to mean that, otherwise having the same payout of 5:1 for each bet would mean different HE for hard 6 compared to hard 10, etc.
Quote: WizardThat is about all there is to say about them but I do have a little more math on my Odds site.
It looks to me that your side bet write-up from 2011 for Place the Hard Ways is the same thing as your new write-up Hard Way Place Bets.
Quote:Place the Hard Ways
Place the Hard Ways is a proposition wager that was seen at the Orleans in Las Vegas in late 2011. It works like the other Place bets, except the point must be made the hard way. It differs from the Hard Way bets in that making the point the easy way does not cause a loss. There are four bets available, on the hard 4, 6, 8, and 10.
The following table shows the house edge is 14.3% per bet resolved.
Quote: AyecarumbaDoes that mean that, unlike "Hardway" bets, they don't lose if the specified number comes in "Easy"?
Yes, that is what one of the dice dealers at the table told me.
Quote: odiousgambitPS: it is interesting that the probability of winning, and the HE, is the same regardless of the bet. It took me a moment to understand why.
Yes, it is. That is also true of the Any 7 bet, the probability of winning and house edge are both 1/6.
Quote: BlueEagleIt looks to me that your side bet write-up from 2011 for Place the Hard Ways is the same thing as your new write-up Hard Way Place Bets.
Dang. I had a suspicion that I had seen this somewhere before. That is why I had a choice for that in the poll. Am I getting senile or do people just forget things they saw six years ago?
Thank you for telling me.
Quote: WizardQuote: BlueEagleIt looks to me that your side bet write-up from 2011 for Place the Hard Ways is the same thing as your new write-up Hard Way Place Bets.
Dang. I had a suspicion that I had seen this somewhere before. That is why I had a choice for that in the poll. Am I getting senile or do people just forget things they saw six years ago?
Thank you for telling me.
I'm 25 and most days I can't remember what I had for breakfast, which is especially concerning because it's ALWAYS cheerios.
Quote: gamerfreakI'm 25 and most days I can't remember what I had for breakfast, which is especially concerning because it's ALWAYS cheerios.
Thanks. That was funny.
I have to remember to have both cereal and milk in the house and then try to remember if I ate breakfast already or not.Quote: gamerfreakI'm 25 and most days I can't remember what I had for breakfast, which is especially concerning because it's ALWAYS cheerios.
I guess if its the same house edge as Big Red then people can play them with less social impact on the table.
I don't think I would ever play them. Its getting so its going to be difficult to find a simplified craps layout.
Quote: gamerfreakI'm 25 and most days I can't remember what I had for breakfast, which is especially concerning because it's ALWAYS cheerios.
I think it is awesome that a 25-year old actually eats breakfast. Good on you, mate.
Quote: BasesLoadedDon't like the fact that the layout of these new bets encroaches on the COME area.
The COME bet is underappreciated as it is.
In my observation, the come bet is pretty much ignored by most players, who usually bet PL, place bets, or both.
Why so much space is given to the come bet, when most players ignore it, remains a mystery.
I've always felt that part of the come (and/or field) box, next to the stick, should have a small DC box.Quote: MrVWhy so much space is given to the come bet, when most players ignore it, remains a mystery.
Similarly, part of the dont come box could be for a small field box. Then again, yesterday I saw a lady next to the dealer reaching to the field box. She was wearing a low cut top. Nice.
Because the ComeBet Area is also the "check change only" area and the box, floor, pit and camera crew all want an area utterly free of obstacles or shadows.Quote: MrVWhy so much space is given to the come bet, when most players ignore it, remains a mystery.
I don't know about "most players". I would think most know that a PassLine Bet is for the entire table and uses that great big hockey puck while a ComeBet is simply a Private PassLine bet with the stack of 'chips' being its own "hockey puck".
What about the dealer at the old Terribles who took a razor blade and scratched off the Dont Come lettering leaving only the outline of the box. He didn't like people who made DC bets and he didn't like having to check that box since it was seldom used, so he essentially got rid of it on his own. Only in Las Vegas!!Quote: DJTeddyBearI've always felt that part of the come (and/or field) box, next to the stick, should have a small DC box.
Often a dealer will inform a young lady who is standing next to the Stick to put her Field bet on the 2 so as to get paid double, of course if she is standing well away from the Stick she will be told to put her Field bet on the 12 so as to be paid tripple. Its not proper bet placement, but sometimes it takes the young lady a while to realize what is happening.
And of course there was the famous incident when a woman who had just headlined at Caesars was shooting dice at Binions and the stick "short sticked" her: she took one out and said if you want to look go ahead but give me my dice. She finished her roll that way too.
I sometimes think I'm the only one at the dice table who is simply trying to win rather than look at scenery.
I used to consider "scenery" to be a Barney, now I consider a Green to be "scenery".
Quote: odiousgambitit has to mean that, otherwise having the same payout of 5:1 for each bet would mean different HE for hard 6 compared to hard 10, etc.
Do they offer the same "all day" action for the 2 and 12?
Quote: AyecarumbaDo they offer the same "all day" action for the 2 and 12?
If you mean, do they have hard way place bets on the 1-1 and 6-6, the answer is no.
Quote: WizardIf you mean, do they have hard way place bets on the 1-1 and 6-6, the answer is no.
In that case, I see an opportunity here... "Place Pairs" (c) allowing the option to place bet any of the six pairs.
Quote: DeMangoJust go to a Crapless game. Place 12 will pay $27
Better double check. I would only pay 5.
Quote: AyecarumbaBetter double check. I would only pay 5.
? $10 place pays $55, $20 buy pays $119
Quote: DeMango? $10 place pays $55, $20 buy pays $119
My bad. Sorry for the confusion. I was expanding on "Place the Hardways" where each pair only pays 5-1. Placing the Hi-Lo on a crapless table is a much better deal. Maybe the offerings on the crapless table can be further expanded to accommodate place betting the hardways too?
