WatchMeWin
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:23:08 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Please inform us of how much you're winning then and how many hours you logged at the craps table. Then people will take you seriously. Until then, you're one of 2 options. You're a casino shill or you're a troll.



Neither a shill nor a troll. Im offended... but not really. I'm just a guy who has been there and done that... and have figured out what works for me. That fact that you could not win as you set out to on your journey, with all of your crazy stories and rants and blaming the world, just tells me who you are as a person. Of all the people on here, your have the greatest sympathy from me. Get you life together and give up gambling. You do not have the mental aptitude to succeed.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
Laymedown
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:49:44 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Is this post for real? How can someone be this uneducated about 'gambling'. Comfortable living off craps? Basing your results off short term variance? No wonder they build casinos. Geez.



You need to remember something here. I make one bet and it's only on the come out roll, then I take all my bets down and watch the game till a point is made and I can bet again. In the mean time,

After a point is established I'm watching what goes on at the table an I notice many things.
One main visual, are the guys that visit the table with $5000.00 and leave shortly after with either a small loss or a small average profit usually around $400-$500

Secondly I will see regulars continuously filling/emptying their chip trays playing hard ways with quarter chips and filling their trays with black chips. Sometimes two rows, other times the rows next to them.

I see a ton of stuff that I could share on here but I'm posting too much as it is and need to slow down.
The winners are practically invisible to casinos making just a few hundred dollars per day.

I'm not a professional gambler but I've seen many things at the tables in my 40 years of gambling.
Sorry for my many daily posts. I am a retired professional and I love to chat about gambling. I also enjoy reading and can't help but to reply to some fantastic articles.
AxelWolf
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:50:20 PM permalink
Anyone that has a winning system playing crap who can consistently win but yet they have a job and are not filthy rich IMO are either lying or retarded.

They have Access to an advantage and BR scaling 24/7 365 in tons of locations around the world.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
RS
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:52:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Anyone that has a winning system playing crap who can consistently win but yet they have a job and are not filthy rich IMO are lying or and* retarded.

They have Access to an advantage and BR scaling 24/7 365 in tons of locations around the world.


fixed that for you

and yes this is true
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Laymedown
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March 28th, 2018 at 1:02:36 PM permalink
In my city, there are quite a few regulars (Call them couch potatoes if you will) playing their same old same old.
6,8's, doey/don'ts (just so they can roll the dice.), system players, dice setters, they are all here.

The one I like most is the guy that buys in with a stack of 25.00 chips and plays nothing but hard ways and I watch him lose but then on some nights the guy has continuous lines of black chips in front of him.

I've also watched a few of the fire bet players sitting there for hours waiting to bet their entire bank roll on lay bets.
(It's funny to watch them run to the bank machine to get more money when the 6th point is established)
I'm not sure if they win much or how often but they play pretty consistent.

There is a madness to every method I guess. But it does happen on a regular basis.
Sorry for my many daily posts. I am a retired professional and I love to chat about gambling. I also enjoy reading and can't help but to reply to some fantastic articles.
gamerfreak
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March 28th, 2018 at 1:48:55 PM permalink
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Question? If someone can make 500/day playing at the casino and winning consistently, why risk your winning to win more. I could see letting it all ride at a vegas casino but if you're winning consistently, why not just make a comfortable living for yourself with the smaller wins?


I think you will realize why you and WatchMeWin are getting pooped on if you take a little bit of time to understand Expected Value (EV).

Every bet in the casino (except select VP) has a build in house edge. You can find a list here.

The house edge for pass/come is 1.41%, which means for every $1 you bet on the pass-line, you will lose $0.0141 on average. So each wager has a negative expectation. The expected value of a $1 passline wager is -$0.0141, -$1.41 value for a $100 wager, etc etc etc.

And this is where I think a lot of systems players get tripped up. It is called expected value because the actual outcome in the short term will often be different than the calculated EV due to variance. But just because variance is on your side and you've had profitable sessions does not mean that you are overcoming that negative expectation. Here is an example:

Say there is a $1 slot machine with a 5% house edge and $100k jackpot. Each pull has an EV of -$0.05. If I walk up to that machine and win the $100k jackpot on that first spin, the VALUE of that spin was still -$0.05 REGUARDLESS of how much the player won/lost.

Without some sort of promotion, it is not possible to overcome the negative EV of any craps wager. If you are playing for entertainment and can afford to lose your bankroll, more power to you. But having a good run is not an indication that a system is creating a positive expectation, it's just good variance (luck).
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March 28th, 2018 at 1:50:09 PM permalink
My internet is super slow so can you guys keep posting these fairy tales, I can't watch netflix and need to keep myself entertained
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WatchMeWin
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March 28th, 2018 at 2:38:15 PM permalink
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My internet is super slow so can you guys keep posting these fairy tales, I can't watch netflix and need to keep myself entertained



Sorry to hear that. My internet is super fast and I have every channel I need, when Im not traveling to wherever I want whenever I want.... and this is not because I was handed down some money from mommy and daddy.

Some can grok situations and find the opportunity to capitalize regardless of the vulnerabilities and risks associate with them, while others sit back with fear and skepticism. Some can see today what others dont realize until tomorrow. Some take action and make things happen, while others just complain and jab from the outside looking in with envy.

Gamblers are funny people. Each one thinks he or she is the smartest in the room at all times. Take a good hard look in the mirror and access your life situation. If you are happy with it, then great. If not, try to make it better. Being the negative nelly in life is a sad way to live. There are a few others here I wont mention... but they know!
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Zcore13
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March 28th, 2018 at 2:50:10 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Sorry to hear that. My internet is super fast and I have every channel I need, when Im not traveling to wherever I want whenever I want.... and this is not because I was handed down some money from mommy and daddy.

Some can grok situations and find the opportunity to capitalize regardless of the vulnerabilities and risks associate with them, while others sit back with fear and skepticism. Some can see today what others dont realize until tomorrow. Some take action and make things happen, while others just complain and jab from the outside looking in with envy.

Gamblers are funny people. Each one thinks he or she is the smartest in the room at all times. Take a good hard look in the mirror and access your life situation. If you are happy with it, then great. If not, try to make it better. Being the negative nelly in life is a sad way to live. There are a few others here I wont mention... but they know!



There is a big difference between a negative Nelly and someone that is grounded in reality and can look at a situation with a clear mind and mathematical facts. If you are saying you are loaded with money and travel anywhere you want because you are good at playing craps, then there is no helping you. If that is the case, you live in a fantasy world and nothing anybody says is going to change that.


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djatc
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March 28th, 2018 at 2:54:56 PM permalink
you'll need mommy and daddy's money if you keep playing -EV games. At least you'll have fun tho
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