JoelDeze
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May 24th, 2016 at 11:50:51 AM permalink
I used Bitcoin to finally try out Bovada and their craps game. I bought in for $150 this morning and playing very conservatively, am now up to $340. I don't see anything negative about their system yet but I don't know what type of system they use, or whether or not it is legit.

Anyone else play craps at Bovada? I'm leary with putting large wagers down for online systems. But, maybe that's just me not being too trustworthy with anything I can't really see firsthand.
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May 24th, 2016 at 12:14:53 PM permalink
One would think asking about the validity of a site/software would happen before depositing/playing =P.

Also, try betting more than a couple bucks, see how "unlucky" you run then lol. I'm not biased against any site... just all online sites. I used to think Bovada was at least the most reputable out of all, but even I've had my issues with them over the years, and now it seems more are springing up with cash outs/etc.

...try to cash out... report back.
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May 24th, 2016 at 12:26:34 PM permalink
he used bitcoin, should be fine.
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May 24th, 2016 at 3:57:17 PM permalink
Since craps is a negative expectation game, and other than getting lucky you can't/won't beat it. So even if it was completely random I can't see any good reason I would play craps online unless they had a good promo or allowed you to finish the bonus wagering requirements on it.

Playing craps online is extra -EV.
1) You have no way to tell if it is random. So If you are someone that believes they have some magic craps system, when you lose you will blame the RNG and think it's rigged(I think most RNG are rigged online). Even if it's not rigged, God forbid your system actually fails, it must be rigged.

You said, "I don't see anything negative about their system yet" As if you could tell if there was something wrong so fast. Had you not been up money you would have probably said it's rigged.

2) Oftentimes there are extra fees involved with online gambling.

3) You run the risk of not getting paid.

4) There may be some legal issues.

5) your money is tied up and oftentimes you have to jump through hoops to get it.

I'm not against online gambling, there are some good opportunities that make it worthwhile. It can be fun and convenient. It's especially fun when travelling or killing time during boring situations.

I have a feeling you will end up not liking the online craps once it turns on you.


I noticed many people who have systems don't like or trust RNG's(even the ones in legitimate casinos.) I believe this is mainly because everything happens faster and oftentimes they become more impulsive. They can play double or triple the amount of hands they normally would on a live game. The more hands they play the better chance they have to lose. Again they blame everything but their flawed system.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
JoelDeze
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May 24th, 2016 at 4:04:32 PM permalink
I got up to $506 today after depositing only $150. I never went down on any of the 5 mini sessions I played. Doesn't really matter if it's a negative EV game if you are winning.

I just tested a $300 withdrawal back to my bitcoin wallet. It says should be processed in 48 hours. We'll see how it goes. At this point I doubled my money and tested bitcoin deposits/withdrawals. And, I have another $200 to play around with.
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May 24th, 2016 at 4:28:09 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

. Doesn't really matter if it's a negative EV game if you are winning.

Sure it does. If you keep playing -EV you will eventually lose. You are just on a lucky run now. Evntully you will run bad and there will be nothing you can do about it unless you stop gambling for good. You can try some kinda stop loss BS. but it wont work. You can come back the next day, the next week, the next year, but that bad run will be there just waitng for you.

I have an Idea, record your Bovada craps sessions for us, perhaps we can learn somthing (block out your name and account number.)

That's the wonderfull thing about online play. Evryone can record it with a desk top reorder, get records and evidance to show their claims are truthfull.

I think Bovada even logs the type of games played, deposits and withdrawls.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
JoelDeze
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May 24th, 2016 at 5:28:01 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Sure it does. If you keep playing -EV you will eventually lose. You are just on a lucky run now. Evntully you will run bad and there will be nothing you can do about it unless you stop gambling for good. You can try some kinda stop loss BS. but it wont work. You can come back the next day, the next week, the next year, but that bad run will be there just waitng for you.

I have an Idea, record your Bovada craps sessions for us, perhaps we can learn somthing (block out your name and account number.)

That's the wonderfull thing about online play. Evryone can record it with a desk top reorder, get records and evidance to show their claims are truthfull.

I think Bovada even logs the type of games played, deposits and withdrawls.



First and Only Deposit today:



Withdrawal and Balance from today:



Note the balance in the top corner.

Like I said, I deposited $150 today and won out to $506. I was up to $560 at one point but took a bit more risk in the last session. Now I'm just testing their withdrawals to see if they come through and if they do, I'll keep playing with the $200 that is essentially theirs. Like I said, I've already doubled my own money with the withdrawal.
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May 24th, 2016 at 7:05:50 PM permalink
Yes, you are winning a lot now. Heck, you may always win a lot. Someone else may lose your share and lose all the time. Just because you are winning doesn't mean anything but you are on the good side of the numbers; it doesn't indicate some skill level absent in everyone else. I don't think anyone doubts your winning sessions though they may doubt that there aren't just about as many winners as losers because that is how it plays out for most of us.

Just don't think your sessions can't run the other way in a hurry...
Romes
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May 25th, 2016 at 7:04:17 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

...Doesn't really matter if it's a negative EV game if you are winning...

Really hope this is a kind of cocky joke =p... It DEFINITELY matters if you're playing a negative EV game.
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May 25th, 2016 at 10:57:53 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Really hope this is a kind of cocky joke =p... It DEFINITELY matters if you're playing a negative EV game.



Yeah, I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of anything to be honest. I was simply asking if the online games are "tilted" even more than the standard negative EV game. I found it interesting that when wagering under $12 I was winning 80% of the time and when wagering $30+ I was winning 20% of the time. I just nickel and dimed my gaming sessions to get up substantially.

I also only posted the images because I felt like I was being called out on my honesty.

I still think the online sites are fishy (superstition or not). Right now, I have a very small sample size and I'm going to wait until my first withdrawal completes before I test some more.

I saw a 7 come up 11 times in a row. That definitely seems fishy to me. I didn't really care because I was betting the pass line at the time on a come out roll. But, 11 times??? Doesn't seem logical.
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May 25th, 2016 at 11:20:11 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Yeah, I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of anything to be honest. I was simply asking if the online games are "tilted" even more than the standard negative EV game. I found it interesting that when wagering under $12 I was winning 80% of the time and when wagering $30+ I was winning 20% of the time. I just nickel and dimed my gaming sessions to get up substantially.

I also only posted the images because I felt like I was being called out on my honesty.

I still think the online sites are fishy (superstition or not). Right now, I have a very small sample size and I'm going to wait until my first withdrawal completes before I test some more.

I saw a 7 come up 11 times in a row. That definitely seems fishy to me. I didn't really care because I was betting the pass line at the time on a come out roll. But, 11 times??? Doesn't seem logical.

Someone questioned you on your honesty? I would be offended, that fact would fall inside the parameters of when the owners/moderators consider what is posted here. Someone questioned your motivation, yeah I saw that happen? That is a different issue. Send more craps winning stories here, the more the merrier.

If you claim to roll 18 yo's in a row, well, you need the video running.....
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Romes
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May 25th, 2016 at 11:23:05 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

...I saw a 7 come up 11 times in a row...

P(7 eleven times in a row) = P(7)^11 = (6/36)^11 = .000000002756, or about 1 in 400,000,000.

Wish you had that recorded.
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May 25th, 2016 at 11:50:30 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

P(7 eleven times in a row) = P(7)^11 = (6/36)^11 = .000000002756, or about 1 in 400,000,000.

Wish you had that recorded.

Bovada probably has that log I suggest he contact bovada support and see if they will send the log perhaps Mike can ask if they resist.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 25th, 2016 at 12:03:53 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

First and Only Deposit today:



Withdrawal and Balance from today:



Note the balance in the top corner.

Like I said, I deposited $150 today and won out to $506. I was up to $560 at one point but took a bit more risk in the last session. Now I'm just testing their withdrawals to see if they come through and if they do, I'll keep playing with the $200 that is essentially theirs. Like I said, I've already doubled my own money with the withdrawal.

For future reference there Should be a complet,
While I don't think you yourself would engage in shenanigans there's others who would. The could simply deposit more money and not include that info and just show the account balance higher.

FYI I have been complaining about abnormal higher and lower bet winning ratios for a long time. I have given up.
No one is ever going to test it properly. Take advantage of the lower bets winning while you can, it won't last long.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
worldhistoryguy
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April 23rd, 2019 at 2:03:58 PM permalink
I could not agree more. I joined Desert Nights. When playing the free version, I made bets similar to Vegas. Won a good deal - even more. All looked normal. When I played real money game, things changed. First, the betting limits imposed were ludicrous. Like, $1 limit of field bets, max lay bets when betting DC where waaaaaaay different than Vegas, max bet permitted on pass/don't pass were $5. As long as I bet 1-3 dollars, I would win and sloooooowly creep up. But as soon as I started with max $5 bets, wnet down super fast. Alas, online casios are a joke :(
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April 23rd, 2019 at 2:23:47 PM permalink
I heard my name called earlier so I thought I'd chime in.

Firstly, I believe Bovada is a sponsor of WoV (or used to be), so be careful what you say! You might find yourself suspended for bashing them.

Secondly, Take your money and run! Ive posted about online craps before, I do not believe anything electronic is completely random... remotely random for that matter. Its a business, and they know how to develop games to ensure profits.

I remember years ago I wont a #$%load in sports on an online site. I transfered some profit over to the online casino. I tested the craps by playing just 1 dollar on all of the numbers. Amazing! I rolled infinite numbers. I tested for hours at a time. Then I decided to up the ante and go for some meaningful profits. I bet 50 per number. Yep, you guessed it, point 7 over and over. Then I put 100 per number and again couldn't roll a box number. At that point I had given back close to 5k of my sports profits to the stupid online craps and called it quits . One last time I decided to just put 1 dollar on every number..... yep... number after number after number. Corrupt and certainly not random. Never again.
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April 23rd, 2019 at 2:39:47 PM permalink
While there have certainly been gaffed online games, to suggest that all online games are gaffed is a bit nutty.
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April 23rd, 2019 at 2:57:18 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I heard my name called earlier so I thought I'd chime in.

Firstly, I believe Bovada is a sponsor of WoV (or used to be), so be careful what you say! You might find yourself suspended for bashing them.

Secondly, Take your money and run! Ive posted about online craps before, I do not believe anything electronic is completely random... remotely random for that matter. Its a business, and they know how to develop games to ensure profits.

I remember years ago I wont a #$%load in sports on an online site. I transfered some profit over to the online casino. I tested the craps by playing just 1 dollar on all of the numbers. Amazing! I rolled infinite numbers. I tested for hours at a time. Then I decided to up the ante and go for some meaningful profits. I bet 50 per number. Yep, you guessed it, point 7 over and over. Then I put 100 per number and again couldn't roll a box number. At that point I had given back close to 5k of my sports profits to the stupid online craps and called it quits . One last time I decided to just put 1 dollar on every number..... yep... number after number after number. Corrupt and certainly not random. Never again.

Sabre is correct....Not all online games/casinos are gaffed. Unfortunately, it's hard to tell either way, unless you have a significant amount of data or it seems very obvious. That's why I always suggest you have a significant mathematical advantage over the online casinos before you even get started. My motto when it comes to OLC is Gaff the gaffers.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
worldhistoryguy
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April 23rd, 2019 at 3:17:35 PM permalink
I'll back you up about the 7x in a row business. Just got off Desert Nights. Listen up!! rolled 7 eight (read it as 8) times in a row. Sure seems fishy.
ChoppinBroccoli
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November 21st, 2019 at 8:16:57 PM permalink
Bovada Craps pays 7:6 on odds on the 6 and 8. No thanks.
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November 21st, 2019 at 10:59:50 PM permalink
Thanks for the warning about online craps play. I'm disappointed that higher betting would bring on a worse outcome of the dice. On real tables, people progress their bets, and does the 7-out almost always come when you get to $30? I'd be checking for an exorcist.
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