JoelDeze
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May 24th, 2016 at 11:50:51 AM permalink
I used Bitcoin to finally try out Bovada and their craps game. I bought in for $150 this morning and playing very conservatively, am now up to $340. I don't see anything negative about their system yet but I don't know what type of system they use, or whether or not it is legit.

Anyone else play craps at Bovada? I'm leary with putting large wagers down for online systems. But, maybe that's just me not being too trustworthy with anything I can't really see firsthand.
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Romes
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RisingDoughslackyhacky
May 24th, 2016 at 12:14:53 PM permalink
One would think asking about the validity of a site/software would happen before depositing/playing =P.

Also, try betting more than a couple bucks, see how "unlucky" you run then lol. I'm not biased against any site... just all online sites. I used to think Bovada was at least the most reputable out of all, but even I've had my issues with them over the years, and now it seems more are springing up with cash outs/etc.

...try to cash out... report back.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
GWAE
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May 24th, 2016 at 12:26:34 PM permalink
he used bitcoin, should be fine.
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AxelWolf
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May 24th, 2016 at 3:57:17 PM permalink
Since craps is a negative expectation game, and other than getting lucky you can't/won't beat it. So even if it was completely random I can't see any good reason I would play craps online unless they had a good promo or allowed you to finish the bonus wagering requirements on it.

Playing craps online is extra -EV.
1) You have no way to tell if it is random. So If you are someone that believes they have some magic craps system, when you lose you will blame the RNG and think it's rigged(I think most RNG are rigged online). Even if it's not rigged, God forbid your system actually fails, it must be rigged.

You said, "I don't see anything negative about their system yet" As if you could tell if there was something wrong so fast. Had you not been up money you would have probably said it's rigged.

2) Oftentimes there are extra fees involved with online gambling.

3) You run the risk of not getting paid.

4) There may be some legal issues.

5) your money is tied up and oftentimes you have to jump through hoops to get it.

I'm not against online gambling, there are some good opportunities that make it worthwhile. It can be fun and convenient. It's especially fun when travelling or killing time during boring situations.

I have a feeling you will end up not liking the online craps once it turns on you.


I noticed many people who have systems don't like or trust RNG's(even the ones in legitimate casinos.) I believe this is mainly because everything happens faster and oftentimes they become more impulsive. They can play double or triple the amount of hands they normally would on a live game. The more hands they play the better chance they have to lose. Again they blame everything but their flawed system.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
JoelDeze
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May 24th, 2016 at 4:04:32 PM permalink
I got up to $506 today after depositing only $150. I never went down on any of the 5 mini sessions I played. Doesn't really matter if it's a negative EV game if you are winning.

I just tested a $300 withdrawal back to my bitcoin wallet. It says should be processed in 48 hours. We'll see how it goes. At this point I doubled my money and tested bitcoin deposits/withdrawals. And, I have another $200 to play around with.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
AxelWolf
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May 24th, 2016 at 4:28:09 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

. Doesn't really matter if it's a negative EV game if you are winning.

Sure it does. If you keep playing -EV you will eventually lose. You are just on a lucky run now. Evntully you will run bad and there will be nothing you can do about it unless you stop gambling for good. You can try some kinda stop loss BS. but it wont work. You can come back the next day, the next week, the next year, but that bad run will be there just waitng for you.

I have an Idea, record your Bovada craps sessions for us, perhaps we can learn somthing (block out your name and account number.)

That's the wonderfull thing about online play. Evryone can record it with a desk top reorder, get records and evidance to show their claims are truthfull.

I think Bovada even logs the type of games played, deposits and withdrawls.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
JoelDeze
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May 24th, 2016 at 5:28:01 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Sure it does. If you keep playing -EV you will eventually lose. You are just on a lucky run now. Evntully you will run bad and there will be nothing you can do about it unless you stop gambling for good. You can try some kinda stop loss BS. but it wont work. You can come back the next day, the next week, the next year, but that bad run will be there just waitng for you.

I have an Idea, record your Bovada craps sessions for us, perhaps we can learn somthing (block out your name and account number.)

That's the wonderfull thing about online play. Evryone can record it with a desk top reorder, get records and evidance to show their claims are truthfull.

I think Bovada even logs the type of games played, deposits and withdrawls.



First and Only Deposit today:



Withdrawal and Balance from today:



Note the balance in the top corner.

Like I said, I deposited $150 today and won out to $506. I was up to $560 at one point but took a bit more risk in the last session. Now I'm just testing their withdrawals to see if they come through and if they do, I'll keep playing with the $200 that is essentially theirs. Like I said, I've already doubled my own money with the withdrawal.
Its a dog eat dog world out there and Im wearing milkbone underwear . Norm Peterson
RonC
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May 24th, 2016 at 7:05:50 PM permalink
Yes, you are winning a lot now. Heck, you may always win a lot. Someone else may lose your share and lose all the time. Just because you are winning doesn't mean anything but you are on the good side of the numbers; it doesn't indicate some skill level absent in everyone else. I don't think anyone doubts your winning sessions though they may doubt that there aren't just about as many winners as losers because that is how it plays out for most of us.

Just don't think your sessions can't run the other way in a hurry...
Romes
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May 25th, 2016 at 7:04:17 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

...Doesn't really matter if it's a negative EV game if you are winning...

Really hope this is a kind of cocky joke =p... It DEFINITELY matters if you're playing a negative EV game.
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JoelDeze
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May 25th, 2016 at 10:57:53 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Really hope this is a kind of cocky joke =p... It DEFINITELY matters if you're playing a negative EV game.



Yeah, I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of anything to be honest. I was simply asking if the online games are "tilted" even more than the standard negative EV game. I found it interesting that when wagering under $12 I was winning 80% of the time and when wagering $30+ I was winning 20% of the time. I just nickel and dimed my gaming sessions to get up substantially.

I also only posted the images because I felt like I was being called out on my honesty.

I still think the online sites are fishy (superstition or not). Right now, I have a very small sample size and I'm going to wait until my first withdrawal completes before I test some more.

I saw a 7 come up 11 times in a row. That definitely seems fishy to me. I didn't really care because I was betting the pass line at the time on a come out roll. But, 11 times??? Doesn't seem logical.
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