Ibeatyouraces
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December 16th, 2015 at 10:03:00 PM permalink
Most people forget that not only are they being shorted true odds payoffs, but in a lot, if not most cases, when you lose, you're paying the casino BETTER than true odds.
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odiousgambit
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December 17th, 2015 at 5:03:12 AM permalink
Quote: rottenluck

we bought in at our last craps table with $1,000. We won 3 bets for $25 each and cashed out to go see our show. Immediately after the show, we went back to the same table. I pulled the chips out of my pocket and all I had was a $500 chip and 3 $25 chips. WTF. I figured I dropped a $500 chip on accident. We talked to security, we went back and forth, talked to the pit boss and about 45 minutes later the pit boss did admit that they had "accidentally" underpaid us by $500



3 things come to mind with this story,

*it was no accident. Why the box-man admitted to it I don't know. All the dealers at the table knew he did it, said so to those asking, and he had to? Of course he would be fired and maybe the other dealers too, unless the casino is so corrupt the entire organization is in on the cheating.

*do you have any idea that surveillance caught the "mistake"?

*a box-man thinking he could get away with shorting someone a $500 chip, that he wouldn't notice, has to figure he is dealing with a very drunk person. Sorry, I can't imagine anything else.
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rottenluck
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December 17th, 2015 at 11:43:04 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

3 things come to mind with this story,

*it was no accident. Why the box-man admitted to it I don't know. All the dealers at the table knew he did it, said so to those asking, and he had to? Of course he would be fired and maybe the other dealers too, unless the casino is so corrupt the entire organization is in on the cheating.

*do you have any idea that surveillance caught the "mistake"?

*a box-man thinking he could get away with shorting someone a $500 chip, that he wouldn't notice, has to figure he is dealing with a very drunk person. Sorry, I can't imagine anything else.



I was extremely tired and I'm sure my eyes were blood shot. We had been drinking but I wasn't noticeably drunk. Too drunk to blow for a cop in a DWI case, yes, but not drunk. I didn't even notice. It's like signing a credit card slip, they hand over the receipt, I sign it and NEVER read the total. I trust people, and casinos are teaching me their dealers are no longer to be trusted.

We went to security first. They brought us to the pit and he had to call his security. There are two separate banks of cameras. It was the video footage that lead to me getting my $500 back. The boxman did look guilty when he saw us being escorted to the pit boss with security. The casino is on the strip and has a $300 minimum craps table, so this is not a truck-stop casino. It's a very nice place, probably one of the nicest casinos in Vegas.

Besides, if cheating can go on in a dumpy casino in Louisiana or another state, why would Vegas be immune to it? Either it happens or it doesn't. Three mistakes by dealers who do this every day for a living, and all three mistakes just happen to work against my favor.
odiousgambit
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December 17th, 2015 at 12:27:49 PM permalink
Quote: rottenluck

The casino is on the strip and has a $300 minimum craps table, so this is not a truck-stop casino. It's a very nice place, probably one of the nicest casinos in Vegas.

Besides, if cheating can go on in a dumpy casino in Louisiana or another state, why would Vegas be immune to it? Either it happens or it doesn't.



Wow! Just as I was accepting that some place in Louisiana had gone to hell ... now it's Vegas too. [I had missed that]

If that box man is still employed I'd be astounded. I just don't see how he can think he paid somebody $1000 and change with one chip plus change [nah, no way he thought it was a $1000 chip either]. It was intentional.

Now, look, everyone that posts here is entitled to have such stories accepted at face value. But what you have described is quite alien to me. What I mean is, large color-ups in my experience get a lot of attention, everyone is looking, often the pit-boss himself. Wow. Just saying.
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MathExtremist
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December 17th, 2015 at 12:33:12 PM permalink
I was going to comment about how a $300 minimum seems strange, but then I realized that dealers who are used to dealing at $15 minimum tables with red and green chips would have exactly the same physical movements at a $300 minimum table with black and purple chips. So that's actually clever from a management standpoint.
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Ibeatyouraces
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December 17th, 2015 at 12:39:38 PM permalink
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I was going to comment about how a $300 minimum seems strange...


Bellagio maybe. Their single zero roulette wheel is usually $300 minimum and the neighboring double zero wheel is $15.
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rottenluck
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December 17th, 2015 at 1:32:42 PM permalink
I won't mention any specific names of casinos. Just to be clear, I wasn't playing at their $300 min table. I was at a $15 min table. The table was crowded and full. There was a lot of action. It could have been a mistake, but seriously, I know for a solid fact I would never be paid $1,075 as an accident if I colored up for $575. That would never happen. It does look to be intentional. And if it was, then how are the employees getting the money out of the count room? It's a big conspiracy.

My theory is that the employees (dealers and boxmen) are getting bonused on their paycheck if the table produces profits above a certain quota for their shift. That's the only simply explanation I can figure. And if that's how it is working, I would guess this is a fairly new policy that I would suspect would rather quickly blow up in their faces. YouTube is rather good at exposing things like this.

If the boxman who underpaid me was getting, say, half of the $500, if he got away with it, there would have to be a lot of people who are in on the conspiracy. Not saying that's impossible at all, but at some point, you'd think you'd have dealers talking on youtube, etc. after they were let go or fired or otherwise pissed off at their employer. Bitter employees are common as tap water.

There's a fine line between intentional fraud and an honest "accident".
MichaelBluejay
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December 17th, 2015 at 1:40:50 PM permalink
Quote: rottenluck

I know for a solid fact I would never be paid $1,075 as an accident if I colored up for $575. That would never happen.


Don't bet on it. Once I was coloring up for $300, and the dealer must have had 3 on his mind because it was $300, so he made *three* stacks of $300, for $900 total. The other players dutifully kept their mouths shut. He called it out to the boss, "Color out, $300!" The boss glanced over and said, "Okay," then did a double-take and came up to the table and politely asked the dealer, "How much is that?" The dealer said, "Well it's....... Oh!"

That was at the Four Queens. I liked how the supervisor didn't jump down the dealer's throat for an honest mistake. At Terrible's the floor guy would have boxed the dealer's ears.
muleyvoice
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December 17th, 2015 at 1:42:24 PM permalink
" There's a fine line between intentional fraud and an honest "accident". " FINE LINE , MY ASS !
rottenluck
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December 17th, 2015 at 1:49:16 PM permalink
MichaelBLueJay, yes, there was one person who did make a mistake in your favor, but the second person caught it. That's why there's always two that monitor a color up. Therefore, the mistake you describe doesn't count. It wasn't a mistake because you weren't over paid.

My mistake did have the eyes of two employees looking at it and I was short changed. The mistake counts. Odd how they caught their mistake when it benefits you but when the mistake benefits them it slips through.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't believe in coincidence.

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