Craps Free Craps House Advantage

I ran across a craps table at my local casino that is "Craps Free." The way I understand it, everything plays the same as on a normal craps table except that the 11 and the three craps numbers (2,3 & 12) become point numbers. The pass line only wins on the come out roll with a 7. If a 2, 3, 11, or 12 are rolled they would become the point just like any other number. You can play odds on these numbers as well with the odds payout being 6 to 1 for the 2 & 12 and 3 to 1 for the 3 & 11. I have included a link for a more succinct description.



My question is what the house advantage difference is between normal craps and "craps free" craps?

Has anyone run across a table like this? If so, I would like to hear what you thought of the experience and game play.

Look up Crapless Craps.

thanks

Welcome to the forums, Andy. IBYA is correct -- the game you are describing is more commonly called "Crapless Craps." If you look over on the wizardofodds.com site, the Wizard does a little writeup about Crapless Craps on one of the Craps appendix pages here.

EDIT: It looks like you may have already found it. According to that page, the HE of the Pass Line bet is 5.38% vs. the 1.41% of regular Craps. Personally, I avoid playing on the "Crapless" tables.

I watched a guy make an absolute killing at crapsless craps at the Strat a couple years ago.

Luck happens.

I read the appendix and I still don't follow how this would make your odds worse. I guess I am mathematically challenged.

You are giving up the win for a come out roll off 11, but your are gaining not crapping out on the come out roll of 2, 3, 12. There are 2 ways to make the 11 and 4 ways to make the 2, 3, 12. It seems like removing these come out rules from the game would increase the player advantage.

You still lose most of the time with a 2,3, or 12 instead of all of the time,
And also lose most of the time on an 11 instead of winning all of the time.

Ah. Got it! Thank you.