andycoffman11
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November 3rd, 2015 at 11:17:32 AM permalink
I ran across a craps table at my local casino that is "Craps Free." The way I understand it, everything plays the same as on a normal craps table except that the 11 and the three craps numbers (2,3 & 12) become point numbers. The pass line only wins on the come out roll with a 7. If a 2, 3, 11, or 12 are rolled they would become the point just like any other number. You can play odds on these numbers as well with the odds payout being 6 to 1 for the 2 & 12 and 3 to 1 for the 3 & 11. I have included a link for a more succinct description.



My question is what the house advantage difference is between normal craps and "craps free" craps?

Has anyone run across a table like this? If so, I would like to hear what you thought of the experience and game play.
Ibeatyouraces
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November 3rd, 2015 at 11:19:41 AM permalink
Look up Crapless Craps.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
andycoffman11
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November 3rd, 2015 at 11:36:13 AM permalink
thanks
Joeman
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November 3rd, 2015 at 11:39:03 AM permalink
Welcome to the forums, Andy. IBYA is correct -- the game you are describing is more commonly called "Crapless Craps." If you look over on the wizardofodds.com site, the Wizard does a little writeup about Crapless Craps on one of the Craps appendix pages here.

EDIT: It looks like you may have already found it. According to that page, the HE of the Pass Line bet is 5.38% vs. the 1.41% of regular Craps. Personally, I avoid playing on the "Crapless" tables.
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MrV
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November 3rd, 2015 at 12:52:47 PM permalink
I watched a guy make an absolute killing at crapsless craps at the Strat a couple years ago.

Luck happens.
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Santi854
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November 7th, 2015 at 5:07:23 PM permalink
I read the appendix and I still don't follow how this would make your odds worse. I guess I am mathematically challenged.

You are giving up the win for a come out roll off 11, but your are gaining not crapping out on the come out roll of 2, 3, 12. There are 2 ways to make the 11 and 4 ways to make the 2, 3, 12. It seems like removing these come out rules from the game would increase the player advantage.
Dalex64
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November 7th, 2015 at 7:59:27 PM permalink
You still lose most of the time with a 2,3, or 12 instead of all of the time,
And also lose most of the time on an 11 instead of winning all of the time.
Santi854
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November 7th, 2015 at 8:01:24 PM permalink
Ah. Got it! Thank you.

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