Basic question.... when to buy in?
The first time i walked up to the table the guy throwing the dice spoke up and demanded i don't buy in yet claiming if i did i would give him the "kiss of death" o_O. He then proceeded to seven-out ;)
I have no issue appeasing superstitious players and buying in before a come-out roll if the wait isn't too long.... but I wanted to get the opinions of people who play the game a lot. If people will scold me for buying in, id assume just wait...
Yeah, people will freak out if you buy in during a roll. They may cite 'etiquette', but it's really superstitions.
Buy in, and the shooter sevens out? Your fault.
Buy in, and the shooter does not seven out? Fine.
Buy in, and the shooter hits his point? Shooter dodged a bullet - but you will not get credit.
Here's a couple good threads with more info:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/9974-craps-etiquette/
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13026-craps-etiquette-questions/
Quote: DeMangoIt's not rocket science. After a made point or a seven out. In the middle of a hot roll, buy some chips from another player. Best to open up your own table!
one certainly needs to be tolerant of superstitions if you want to be comfortable at a craps table...i am tolerant of them all ---except for this one!, this one you have brought up...i dont like it...i think it is a shit superstition and i for one do not abide by it...NOW HAVING SAID THAT, i do think there is something to the "etiquette" part of it...that part, i think, is understandable...i think i "get" that part...NOTWITHSTANDING i choose poor etiquette in this one case (while fancying myself of good manners in general :) ...
what if, in fact we ARE in the "middle of a hot roll" -or- even the beginning of a hot roll!? am i supposed to miss out on that because of your idiotic superstition? or because i am Mr Manners? Nope, sorry...this is the one exception to my impeccable good etiquette!
but FURTHERMORE, unlike demango here, if i only knew WHENever we were in "the middle of a hot roll"------or for that matter if i only knew whenever we were in "MIDDLE" of ANY roll, i wouldn't be sitting here typing about it on some craps board but rather would be sipping mai tai's or absoluts & grapefruit juice or 20 year old cabernets on my own private island 4, 5, 6 months outta the year and at craps rails all over the world accumulating my $billions the other months...
tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
- the shooter has to wait for someone to buy in
- the shooter has to wait while the bank is being filled
- the boxman is counting money or chips while dice are rolled
- someone puts their hand(s) across the rail while dice are rolled
- someone makes a late bet
- the dice hit chips
- the dice bounce off the table
- craps has been rolled twice in a row
- someone at the table says seven
In other words, if anything happens between rolls other than the normal bets and winning payments while the dice are in the middle, that is what will be remembered as the cause of the seven out.
Most craps players are extremely annoying. The few who aren't a**holes won't care when you buy in.
IMO, best way to buy-in is to wait until the dice have just left the middle, about to get pushed out to the shooter. Throw down some amount of money and say, "Lay the point for $XXX". Of course, you gotta wait until a point is established before you buy in. But....that's just me. :)
But I know one card casino in LA where if you buy in at the wrong time and the dealer turns over a 7 you'd better have security drive you to your car.
Really-- is it really a problem to wait for the puck to be off or better -- wait for a new shooter?
In the old days the DEALERS would make you wait for a new shooter.
Quote: odiousgambitI generally wait anymore till the puck is off. But if there are players making so many screwy bets that it takes the other dealers a while to sort it out, while the dealer close to me is not so busy, then I will buy in then.
This ^
The problem with buying in mid-roll is that it will slow down the game UNLESS you time it right.
Ideally you'd buy in after the dealer on your side of the table has paid off his prop action, and the dealer on the other end of the table has just started to pay off his.
Quote: AlanMendelsonReally-- is it really a problem to wait for the puck to be off or better -- wait for a new shooter?
Not at all - in fact, I want until the puck is off, even if there's only one other player at the table, which is what happened when I entered a game at Downtown Grand last year. The other player even thanked me for waiting.
Buying into a game in the middle of a point smacks of trying to buy into a blackjack game in the middle of a deal. No, it's not the same, but it just comes across that way for some reason. Besides, the way I play (pass line and odds), why bother buying in if you're just going to have to wait before you bet?
Otherwise - I wait til puck is off - even during a hot roll most people dont mind you jumping in right after a point is made - its a natural "relaxation" moment.
If not , I think it is silly to have to wait to accommodate some idiotic superstition. I have my things too but I don't involve others into them.
Why doesn't the boxman take the money, prepare your chips while the next roll comes in and give them to you after? Then the rhythm doesn't get broken and people won't have to wait much and you just missed one roll.
It really comes down to being respectful. I always wait until the guy is out or makes a point.
What really upsets me is some guy comes to the table and throws his money all over and takes
10 minutes to gather and count it and then when asked for his bet he says he will wait.
We had a guy do that last year in Michigan, we were on a nice roll and he did that. To make matters
worse it was a sit down tub, and he would not sit down so I could not roll. IT took maybe 10 minutes or
more to get to the game, then a seven came he pissed and moaned because no one could roll. He got the
dice and every player on the table bet the don't pass, he had point 7 and got pissed and left, He wrecked what
had been a good table.
I just think these people are used to not respecting any one, why should the craps table be any different.
dicesetter
PS just got back from elk hunting, and had two great evenings on the table, one actually had to roll more
than 40 rolls at one time so Math can be happy that my stamina will hold up that long.
please name that casino so i can see if this is true or false when i am there as the Angels are out-of-town-and-the-playoffs-2-they went-over! (I live close to LA)Quote: AlanMendelsonBut I know one card casino in LA where if you buy in at the wrong time and the dealer turns over a 7 you'd better have security drive you to your car.
this is suicide(?) for right-way bettors, even Frank Scoblete and Frank Sinatra (OMG! I AM so wonderful)Quote: AlanMendelsonReally-- is it really a problem to wait for the puck to be off or better -- wait for a new shooter?
knows this (I was told this by 3 different Craps dealers at Caesars Palace in Vegas)
why wait for a new shooter?
that is so silly!
Even Tom Petty once said something like "the wa-a-a-aiting is the har dest part)
Every Dealer I have asked
say
to wait and buy-in (place your money on the table and not in the dealers hand(s)))))))))))))))));)
until the dice are in the center of the table
I guess they must be all wrong (let me see, I have asked over 161 of them this question)
I asked my Uncle about thisQuote: AlanMendelsonIn the old days the DEALERS would make you wait for a new shooter.
as he is so OLD,
not as old as you
and also dealt Craps in Nevada casinos in the old days (B4 the year 2000)
He says, every boxman he knew were just fine with the un-written rule of a buy-in while the dice are in the center of the table. Never seen it where one had to wait until a new shooter
but he IS OLD, so take his words as a grain of salt (or whatever ever)
to me that sounds silly
but thank you for sharing
at least you are still famous
Sally
this is wonderful!Quote: dicesitterWhat really upsets me is some guy comes to the table and throws his money all over and takes
10 minutes to gather and count it and then when asked for his bet he says he will wait.
Time to take down all your bets and Lay every number from 1 to 1,000,000 and HOP the 7
i win so much money in this type of situation
it is not funny
because i have to count it all, i like to spend way more than counting
the Dealers say I am just lucky it happened as i color up after that 7 out too (2)
some get happy with $6 and $10 and maybe $100 wins
I require a win of at least $1,000 on one roll or i ain't happy at all!
just ask my husband (Ahigh did without knowing he WAS me hubby)
thank you for sharing!
bet what the table gives you, i due say and due
and i due NOT have a lucky face, even after i put it on!
Mully
Quote: Wonko33Newbie question, is it allowed to make cash bets , so you can get in without slowing things down so much?
I suppose that you could, mid-roll, walk up to a table and when the dealer is looking at you drop a couple hundred dollar bills (or whatever amount you want buy in for) and say: "I'm buying in: place the six and eight for twelve dollars each, please."
But no, you cannot put cash on the layout in lieu of chips: only chips go on the felt to represent your bet, never cash.
And god help you if you try a call bet.
not me, now, i used to be, way back in the old days (to quote a famous person)Quote: rudeboy99On the subject of superstitions...around a dice table EVERYBODY is easily spooked...
when i placed my $20 bill on the table a yelled "change ONLY Dealer! Thank you!"
wow!Quote: rudeboy99players, crew, boxmen ( usually the worst of the bunch )...the entire mindset of the game is impacted by sometimes stupid "mojo" that really don't amount to jack shit.
that is violent words there boy
i mean, i have been called names while at the craps table too like...
stupid (very clever)
bitch (could be true)
fatty
Devil (I like Satan)
Taylor (that one does cross the line with me and I bring it to every one's attention)
do not call me Taylor!
I am Sally
Too much chance of the player leaving or otherwise not paying if it looses.Quote: RSWhat's wrong with a call bet?
You'll note that a lot of craps table say "No call bets" right on the felt.
Quote: AlanMendelson...In the old days the DEALERS would make you wait for a new shooter.
well, ok, ok...granted...this may have happened a time or two....or, ok, i wasnt everwhere...it may have been the policy at a very, very few places...but as a general practice, this is no where near true...
tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
Quote: ThatDonGuy...Besides, the way I play (pass line and odds), why bother buying in if you're just going to have to wait before you bet?
to make a come bet? followed 2/3rds of the time on average with an odds bet? same bets as the pass line with odds...
why bother you ask? why wait i ask? (no dont answer that! this whole thread save for a few contrarians like myself has addressed that!)...lol...
tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
Quote: brettecantwellThe first time i walked up to the table the guy throwing the dice spoke up and demanded i don't buy in yet claiming if i did i would give him the "kiss of death" o_O. He then proceeded to seven-out ;)
Were you standing in the general vicinity of that shooter (i. e., 'next to')?
We've all been guilty of infractions of etiquette, however the most profound infractions are the few that affect our own concentration or rhythm.
Such interruptions may not even have been directly caused by the lapse of etiquette, rather our own furstrations and/or breaking point.
I'd have to say if there is one golden rule that might to always be aware of the current shooter and NEVER interfere with the current shooter (I like lots of room when shooting and extend that same courtesy (by stepping back slightly) to any shooter I may be standing next to.
Quote: lostinspaceWere you standing in the general vicinity of that shooter (i. e., 'next to')?
We've all been guilty of infractions of etiquette, however the most profound infractions are the few that affect our own concentration or rhythm.
Such interruptions may not even have been directly caused by the lapse of etiquette, rather our own furstrations and/or breaking point.
I'd have to say if there is one golden rule that might to always be aware of the current shooter and NEVER interfere with the current shooter (I like lots of room when shooting and extend that same courtesy (by stepping back slightly) to any shooter I may be standing next to.
But it is ridiculous, concentration? ....... I like to sacrifice a chicken on the table before I buy in, I've notice that 7 comes out more often than any other number when I don't. That said I don't buy in when the button is on anymore because I don't want to slow down the game (takes a while to get gather all the feather).
At the Tulalip Casino, in WA I noticed last night that dealers flat out refused to let people buy in during a roll, They did signal a player to buy in when the roller threw the dice off the table and requested same dice. Which I thought was weird because the boxman was delayed inspecting the dice.
It could be because people around Seattle can be annoyingly polite, many drivers hit the brakes and stop traffic if they think a pedestrian might want to jaywalk.
Quote: Wonko33But it is ridiculous, concentration? .......
Wonko,
Your certainly entitled to your opinions, however gamblers by nature are a fickle bunch.
I've seen others color out over an argument on the other end of the table. Seen another guy color out because a guy was setting the dice (and the guy wasn't taking as long as many others I see), on another day the same guy that colored-out was tolerant of most everything that transpired on the table.
I've colored-out in the middle of long rolls (when I was making money) and passed the dice, over absurd disputes that tie-up the game.
Concentration (some others might refer to it as 'the zone') may be easily broken. It's simply a matter of stress and your own breaking point to same stress.
Quote: lostinspaceWonko,
Your certainly entitled to your opinions, however gamblers by nature are a fickle bunch.
I've seen others color out over an argument on the other end of the table. Seen another guy color out because a guy was setting the dice (and the guy wasn't taking as long as many others I see), on another day the same guy that colored-out was tolerant of most everything that transpired on the table.
I've colored-out in the middle of long rolls (when I was making money) and passed the dice, over absurd disputes that tie-up the game.
Concentration (some others might refer to it as 'the zone') may be easily broken. It's simply a matter of stress and your own breaking point to same stress.
I think people should make an effort to keep their superstitions focused on themselves and not involve others. ( I have quite a few as well) - Like I said I do respect the desire of others to keep the game flowing so I do not buy in when the button is on anymore
Quote: Wonko33I think people should make an effort to keep their superstitions focused on themselves and not involve others. ( I have quite a few as well) - Like I said I do respect the desire of others to keep the game flowing so I do not buy in when the button is on anymore
Insanity is not fun unless you can involve others.
Quote: boymimboInsanity is not fun unless you can involve others.
lol
Actually, if that's your plan, they'd probably prefer that you buy in at the cage.Quote: goldentouch916just go buy in at a dead BJ or any other table and bring the chips to the craps table.
Either of those two actions could distort your rating, depending on how the cheques total up in the rack.Quote: DJTeddyBearActually, if that's your plan, they'd probably prefer that you buy in at the cage.
Just yesterday at the Sugarhood, we had a nice game going in craps. Lots of numbers and good flow. An older somewhat homeless man with a loud nasty attitude came up to the table and cashed in 20 bucks while yelling at the dealers. Next roll 7 out. He walked away and came back a few minutes later. Same exact scenario..7 out. I kid you not, he walked away cussing and came back with another 20 dollar bill, stopped the dice rhythm again while buying in in the middle of the roll. Everyone at the table started screaming at him and cussing at him. I thought there was going to be a shooting at the hood. Well, some of us went off on our bets, and some didn't.... the next roll...yep, it was a 7. But it is just superstition I suppose.
Quote: WatchMeWinFolks, whether you want to believe it or not, Energy is real. NEVER buy in in the middle of a shoot.. next roll...yep, it was a 7. But it is just superstition I suppose.
Watch,
Sorry for those who think your post is some kind of April Fools joke, but I completely agree. For some, if you cannot see, taste, hear, smell, touch, calculate, or quantify this nebulous "energy" stuff, it must not exist.
When the Great Recession hit in 2007, I quit playing craps for several years. It was shortly after Hurricane Katrina had blown away Mississippi gulfcoast casinos (and many other local employers), and the economic situation had far too many folks far too desperate as they tried to keep body and soul together. Craps tables were filled with players betting "scared" money, carrying their last $400 to the casino in hopes of winning $100 more so they could make the rent/utility/car payment that was due the next day. Too often they made high-risk bets, and too often they lost. They completely polluted the table energy. Rolls were never long enough for anyone to win any money. And, there were just enough come-out sevens to destroy players betting the Dark side. The energy was so foul one could taste it, and it left an awful taste in everyone's mouth.
Ummm... I don't recall a "Sugarhood" casino. Can you please tell me which casino this is? Many thanx for an interesting post, even if you had to dig back more than a year for the thread you replied to.
Quote: LuckyPhowthere were just enough come-out sevens to destroy players betting the Dark side.
As a darksider, that can foul you up short-term, I swear there are times the House wins against both sides without involving a disfavorable distribution of the 12. But long term it would have to take an invisible demon there at the table, to distribute an extra allotment of 7s on the come-out, and a shortage of 7-outs, at a time when there is an over-allotment of 7s generally.
Of course, it's hard to miss the fact that plenty of 7s on the come-out with a shortage of 7-outs is favoring the right-siders. I don't think you can really construct a scenario where [edit] long-term over more than just a few rolls, you can't just say the player picked the wrong side.
As for energy detection, if you think you have the ability to do it, I'd like to be there with you and make side bets about it.
Quote: LuckyPhowWatch,
Sorry for those who think your post is some kind of April Fools joke, but I completely agree. For some, if you cannot see, taste, hear, smell, touch, calculate, or quantify this nebulous "energy" stuff, it must not exist.
When the Great Recession hit in 2007, I quit playing craps for several years. It was shortly after Hurricane Katrina had blown away Mississippi gulfcoast casinos (and many other local employers), and the economic situation had far too many folks far too desperate as they tried to keep body and soul together. Craps tables were filled with players betting "scared" money, carrying their last $400 to the casino in hopes of winning $100 more so they could make the rent/utility/car payment that was due the next day. Too often they made high-risk bets, and too often they lost. They completely polluted the table energy. Rolls were never long enough for anyone to win any money. And, there were just enough come-out sevens to destroy players betting the Dark side. The energy was so foul one could taste it, and it left an awful taste in everyone's mouth.
Ummm... I don't recall a "Sugarhood" casino. Can you please tell me which casino this is? Many thanx for an interesting post, even if you had to dig back more than a year for the thread you replied to.
Sugarhood is what I call the Sugarhouse Casino in Philly. Energy at craps tables is disastrous. Where do you play?
Quote: odiousgambitAs a darksider, that can foul you up short-term, I swear there are times the House wins against both sides without involving a disfavorable distribution of the 12. But long term it would have to take an invisible demon there at the table, to distribute an extra allotment of 7s on the come-out, and a shortage of 7-outs, at a time when there is an over-allotment of 7s generally.
Of course, it's hard to miss the fact that plenty of 7s on the come-out with a shortage of 7-outs is favoring the right-siders. I don't think you can really construct a scenario where [edit] long-term over more than just a few rolls, you can't just say the player picked the wrong side.
As for energy detection, if you think you have the ability to do it, I'd like to be there with you and make side bets about it.
Where do you play?
Quote: WatchMeWinWhere do you play?
Biloxi area. Lotsa casinos giving reasonably good comps and low-limit games.
Quote: odiousgambitAs for energy detection, if you think you have the ability to do it, I'd like to be there with you and make side bets about it.
If the gals all lined up to say some guy gave them the best roller-coaster ride in bed of anyone anywhere, the two of us [in this example] might be there saying, "You let us watch, and we'll decide. We're taking bets this so-called world-class lover won't even be able to get an erection." But, one cannot observe without affecting the outcome. In such a situation as this, the poor guy might not be able to perform.
So, you belly up to the table and say, "Lucky. I'm taking bets about whether or not you can really detect energy." As if "detecting energy" was as simple as turning on a water faucet and measuring gallons per minute filling a bucket. In my experience, energy doesn't work that way. In the case you describe, you basically announce you bring to the craps table a bucket-load full of negative energy, and you somehow assume that has no effect. Sorry, but it does.
Consider this scenario: Assume I have never seen a crustacean, and I ask you to write out for me a complete, accurate description of the taste of lobster, a food you [in my scenario] recommend. I, in turn, take your description of lobster's "taste" (not its texture, smell, feel, etc.) to three other independent reviewers. Since you can't (or shouldn't be allowed to) say "lobster tastes like lobster," there should be no clue of what actual "essence" you described. For you to "pass" the test, the reviewers (each of whom has previously enjoyed eating lobster) must agree, "Clearly, this is a description of what lobster tastes like. No doubt about it." I think you would be hard-pressed to write a clear description of lobster's taste. Words are not satisfactory tools for this task.
Likewise for energy. Tools I have I cannot share in a way you can understand. And, assertions that you can observe whether or not something in which you do not believe actually occurs seems logical to you. I, however, cannot do the "lobster taste" exercise for energy in a way that allows you to say, "Whoa, Lucky! Now I understand this energy stuff."
So, here we are. Some assert the effect of "energy," while others, based on their own experience, deny it exists. No easy way to square that circle. As for myself, I stand with folks like the noted scientist, Nikola Tesla:
Quote:“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”
I obviously wait for the dice to be in the center of the table, but do not look at the status of the puck. I put my cash in the COME area and tell the dealer "X dollars coming". Sometimes the dealer says "sir, we are Coming out", and he/she moves my X dollars to the Pass line; otherwise my X dollars is a Come bet.
Fun and games quickly ensues.
I feel that the etiquette on a higher limit table is sometimes better but the "feel" can be too sedate. Give me the $15 table when there is an open $10 on the floor.
The action last weekend turned sour Saturday night, too many rude players. The Belagio table had one guy yelling at the shooter before his come out roll, "What's his name, how about Stan. We'll call him Stan the man!" He probably wanted to shoot as he was next up. Good thing the stick was between them or he might have taken an elbow to the nose. Went back to Mirage found a table with a good feel that soon went south. Had two ladies playing on the end then me and another guy, the other end had six or seven, all in good spirits. The dice were at the other end and one of the ladies stepped away to the restroom. A man buys in between myself and the two girls with his wife in tow standing to his right. Upon return of the other player a heated tension and harsh words over territory and being crouded on the rail. (With only six on our end.) Killed the mood again.
Oh God, this energy stuff is even more rediculouse than the DI BS.Quote: LuckyPhowWatch,
Sorry for those who think your post is some kind of April Fools joke, but I completely agree. For some, if you cannot see, taste, hear, smell, touch, calculate, or quantify this nebulous "energy" stuff, it must not exist.
When the Great Recession hit in 2007, I quit playing craps for several years. It was shortly after Hurricane Katrina had blown away Mississippi gulfcoast casinos (and many other local employers), and the economic situation had far too many folks far too desperate as they tried to keep body and soul together. Craps tables were filled with players betting "scared" money, carrying their last $400 to the casino in hopes of winning $100 more so they could make the rent/utility/car payment that was due the next day. Too often they made high-risk bets, and too often they lost. They completely polluted the table energy. Rolls were never long enough for anyone to win any money. And, there were just enough come-out sevens to destroy players betting the Dark side. The energy was so foul one could taste it, and it left an awful taste in everyone's mouth.
Ummm... I don't recall a "Sugarhood" casino. Can you please tell me which casino this is? Many thanx for an interesting post, even if you had to dig back more than a year for the thread you replied to.
Don't insinuate some people are close-minded just because they can't see, taste, smell, calculate or unerstand somthing. That's just what people say when they have nothing. I think cult leaders claim people just don't understand.
Can you guys explain around what percentage this negative/positive energy kicks in, what percent it adds or takes away? Can it over come a 90% HA? Can negative energy affect a 500% advantage?
Quote: AxelWolfOh God, this energy stuff is even more rediculouse than the DI BS.
Don't insinuate some people are close-minded just because they can't see, taste, smell, calculate or unerstand somthing. That's just what people say when they have nothing. I think cult leaders claim people just don't understand.
Can you guys explain around what percentage this negative/positive energy kicks in, what percent it adds or takes away? Can it over come a 90% HA? Can negative energy affect a 500% advantage?
Yes, just like that, You nailed it.
Thanks for the example.
You buy in when the crew lets you.
If its mid-roll, the shooter may not like it particularly but the casino runs the game and they usually want your cash as promptly as possible. IF you wish to be courteous you can wait and take guidance from the base dealer. Most casinos no longer allow call bets or allow cash to play, so you will probably have to buy in anyway and if you can do it quickly its okay to do it mid-roll.
Long ago many people waited, it doesn't seem to happen now.
If you call out a large bet ... the stick will return the dice to the middle even if its a mid roll with the shooter complaining and wait for you to buy in. Casinos want your money and its their game. The stick controls the pace of the game and if the dealer and box want to stop and count your money and issue you your chips, they will so no matter how much the shooter feels somehow unluckier about it.
Quote: AxelWolfCan you guys explain around what percentage this negative/positive energy kicks in ...?
Sorry, Axel, but "words" cannot describe either the taste of lobster or the intricacies of energy. The available "tools" are insufficient. But, as noted by previous posts in this thread, folks can often tell when the energy at a dice table "heads South."
Other of my posts have included scholarly, scientific analyses of "different" energies and how those researchers see their work interfacing with the energy aspects of quantum mechanics and theoretical physics. Happy to point you to them, but we both know that is not what you want.
I understand your dissatisfaction that I cannot provide the information you want. You aren't the first in my experience to suffer this frustration, and I doubt you'll be the last. While I suggest one might (try to) keep an open mind about energy, my failure to satisfy you according to the criteria you set leaves you little choice but to deny it. And, because you cannot see, touch, taste, feel, or calculate the energy I describe -- and because I cannot show it to you so you understand it -- for you it doesn't exist.
Quote: Albert EinsteinIt is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom.
So basically you have nothing.Quote: LuckyPhowSorry, Axel, but "words" cannot describe either the taste of lobster or the intricacies of energy. The available "tools" are insufficient. But, as noted by previous posts in this thread, folks can often tell when the energy at a dice table "heads South."
Other of my posts have included scholarly, scientific analyses of "different" energies and how those researchers see their work interfacing with the energy aspects of quantum mechanics and theoretical physics. Happy to point you to them, but we both know that is not what you want.
I understand your dissatisfaction that I cannot provide the information you want. You aren't the first in my experience to suffer this frustration, and I doubt you'll be the last. While I suggest one might (try to) keep an open mind about energy, my failure to satisfy you according to the criteria you set leaves you little choice but to deny it. And, because you cannot see, touch, taste, feel, or calculate the energy I describe -- and because I cannot show it to you so you understand it -- for you it doesn't exist.Quote: Albert EinsteinIt is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom.
People can and do describe the taste of lobster. IMO it's pungent and distasteful. I don't like seafood, other than shrimp.
They can tell "when it's going to go south" because it's negative EV and it's always going south. If someone knew when to stop or start betting they wouldn't be talking about it they would be out doing it while accumulating more money than god.
I'm sure someone can devise a test that can figure out if it's real or just selective memory.
Is anyone willing to put their money where the energy is?
