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v14
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August 28th, 2015 at 7:25:24 AM permalink
I have 5 nights coming up in vegas and I'm trying to make a $700-$800 gambling budget last over the course of the trip gambling 2-3 hours a night probably skip one night for a show. I play blackjack, UTH, VP, craps, and then usually if I'm up at the end of the night I'll sit down on a good ol' slot machine because I enjoy the thrill of slot machines. All in all I'm perfectly content with breaking even at the end of the trip...i'm not looking for aggressive strategies that are better for quadrupling my money. But obviously like anyone I like that option open of hitting it big on a slot machine if I'm ever up.

With that said that really only gives me about $200 a night...I think I can definitely make that last in BJ. Might be a little tougher on UTH...but craps scares me the most.

I'm looking for a low variance play style with only $200 on a $5 min table at 3-4-5 odds. I obviously want to be able to walk away from the table with something but if I walked away up $200 I'd consider that a big win! What strategy would you use to make playing for 2-3 hours a guarantee (i get there are no guarantees on anything but you know what i mean)?

And I'll take any other advice on any of the other games I mentioned as well...does this just sound like an awful idea...too many games? too little of a budget?
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August 28th, 2015 at 7:47:01 AM permalink
I think your best bet is minimum PL or DP (your choice) without odds.

That should last awhile, and help keep your bankroll fairly intact when variance raises its ugly head.

Then again, a two buck high-low on every shooter, with nothing more, while mathematically suicidal should let you play through a couple hundred over a few hours.
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August 28th, 2015 at 7:57:04 AM permalink
First kiss your bankroll goodbye as you get off the plane. You are severally under bankrolled for the play you want to get while there. You might get lucky but the most likely scenario is you will go home with the bankroll gone. This isn't a problem if you had fun and are prepared for it.

BJ and craps have the lowest edge of the table games you mentioned but you will need to find $5 tables which is difficult on the strip. You will need to play very disciplined and know basic strategy in blackjack. If you want to put time in at craps and not go broke you will only be able to play a single number, more than one number or odds will eat your bankroll in minutes on a cold table.

Although the house edge is high you can likely get in your time on the penny slots playing minimum (usually 40 to 60 cents) a spin.

If your 2 to 3 hours a night is not the main goal and you have the discipline to walk out of the casino you can be more aggressive with any of the games but be prepared to have spent your $200 in under an hour.

If you are going to have fun enjoy the holiday and gambling but recognize that your gambling bankroll is part of the cost of your holiday.
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Joeman
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August 28th, 2015 at 7:57:04 AM permalink
Quote: v14

I'm looking for a low variance play style with only $200 on a $5 min table at 3-4-5 odds. I obviously want to be able to walk away from the table with something but if I walked away up $200 I'd consider that a big win! What strategy would you use to make playing for 2-3 hours a guarantee (i get there are no guarantees on anything but you know what i mean)?

This sounds like me! :) I will usually buy in for $100 and start with 1 Pass & 1 Come bet, double odds. If I start winning, up the odds. If I keep winning, introduce another come bet.

If you lose the initial $100, maybe consider if you want to immediately put the rest of your day's BR at risk, or maybe take a break and come back to hit it later.

Just a few suggestions; nothing guarantees a winning session, or even a losing session that lasts more than a few minutes, but this usually seems to keep me at the tables for a while, and occasionally wins a few bucks. Just remember, increasing your odds increases your variance.

I'm not sure if you can still find a $3 table Downtown, or even if you will be going Downtown, but that would definitely make your buy-in last longer.
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August 28th, 2015 at 8:12:54 AM permalink
I understand there are no guarantees. Joe I appreciate your response. This is what I was looking for..."It could all go really quick but I do <insert strategy here> and it USUALLY works pretty ok for me on that bankroll for a good while."
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August 28th, 2015 at 8:28:04 AM permalink
Quote: kenarman

First kiss your bankroll goodbye as you get off the plane. You are severally under bankrolled for the play you want to get while there. You might get lucky but the most likely scenario is you will go home with the bankroll gone. This isn't a problem if you had fun and are prepared for it.

BJ and craps have the lowest edge of the table games you mentioned but you will need to find $5 tables which is difficult on the strip. You will need to play very disciplined and know basic strategy in blackjack. If you want to put time in at craps and not go broke you will only be able to play a single number, more than one number or odds will eat your bankroll in minutes on a cold table.

Although the house edge is high you can likely get in your time on the penny slots playing minimum (usually 40 to 60 cents) a spin.

If your 2 to 3 hours a night is not the main goal and you have the discipline to walk out of the casino you can be more aggressive with any of the games but be prepared to have spent your $200 in under an hour.

If you are going to have fun enjoy the holiday and gambling but recognize that your gambling bankroll is part of the cost of your holiday.



I agree with most of this. A good game for bankroll preservation or maintenance is Pai Gow Poker. It's a fairly easy game to learn if you have never played it and many of the hands wind up in pushes.
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August 28th, 2015 at 10:16:57 AM permalink
$800 bankroll for 4 craps sessions, 2-3 hours/session, here's what I'd do. $200 bankroll, try to find a $5 table. Play just a single line bet with 2x odds; that gives you about 20 bets (on average) and it's hard to be down 20 line bets in 3 hours. If you're forced to a $10 table, just make single odds. If you do lose it all, quit for the night. If you get up to $400, increase to $5+3/4/5x odds (or $10+2x) -- or pocket $200 and keep playing with the rest, leaving if you lose the winnings. Do that for three nights. On the last night, either you'll only have $200 left or you'll have a bigger amount. If you only have $200, play the same way. If you have a bigger amount, depending on how much bigger, increase either your starting wager, your starting odds, or begin to make more than one bet at a time. I would not start to spread inside place bets or make larger amounts of other wagers on the bankroll you're starting with. $22 inside plus a $5 line bet w/ odds can go awfully quickly if the table is cold, and that would bust you out before your timeframe goal has been met.
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August 28th, 2015 at 10:20:29 AM permalink
Get the American Casino Guide and Las Vegas Advisor coupon books and collect as much free play and match plays as you can to add to your roll. Might not be a ton but it'll help and give you something to do during down time.
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August 28th, 2015 at 2:41:44 PM permalink
So if I cut my gambling nights down to 2 and went $400 each of those nights would that put me in a better place with my bankroll?
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September 16th, 2015 at 5:35:51 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

This sounds like me! :) I will usually buy in for $100 and start with 1 Pass & 1 Come bet, double odds.

the 2 point Molly
$5 bets with $100 bankroll = 20 betting units
I have data on that 2 (too or 1+1)


Quote: Joeman

If I start winning,

Oh oh
that is a BIG IF there

the odds are against that happening, to start winning i due say
ruin looks to sit at 54.3% to 62.8%.
Hey, nothing like starting out in a very deep hole
(as pass/come betting ,to me, is a major sucker bet system)

Quote: Joeman

up the odds. If I keep winning, introduce another come bet.

If you lose the initial $100, maybe<snip>

lots of very large IFs
nice to imagine
no IF on the lose part
when you lose...
or
when you win
when you are still even

i think the 2 point Molly
$5 bets with 2x odds along with a $100 buy-in just feels wrong
i mean, feels like a loser system
just me on that part
thank you for sharing

of course, you could show a net win after 200 to 300 rolls
(2 to 3 hours of winning)
i show that probability being abouts 32%, still hope

and when you do win with this system, i also show the average win = 34.7 units
the median = 31 units

that is no small change there
Yahoo!

thank you for sharing fun!
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