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Tanko
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May 9th, 2015 at 12:47:55 PM permalink
Quote: Frogger

"No longer go there"? They've never had hand-dealt games, that's well known, why did you go there in the first place?



As I stated, "That's one reason I no longer go there".

It's not the only reason I no longer go there.

As far as the robots are concerned;

My view at the time was that the machines were operating where no jobs existed before, and the technology created higher paying tech jobs for a net increase in employment.

My opinion changed when CT and AC laid off more than one thousand people while Robot World was flourishing with a relative skeleton crew.

Lots of those jobs were lost due to competition from RW.

It represents a small part of a much larger picture.

Ten Years From Now
100xOdds
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May 9th, 2015 at 2:11:02 PM permalink
Quote: Tanko

As I stated, "That's one reason I no longer go there".

It's not the only reason I no longer go there.

As far as the robots are concerned;

My view at the time was that the machines were operating where no jobs existed before, and the technology created higher paying tech jobs for a net increase in employment.

My opinion changed when CT and AC laid off more than one thousand people while Robot World was flourishing with a relative skeleton crew.

Lots of those jobs were lost due to competition from RW.

It represents a small part of a much larger picture.

Ten Years From Now



um.. u know table games are illegal in Resorts world.

but e-Craps is considered a slot machine, thus allowed.

still have no idea why you're ranting over Resorts world taking away dealers jobs.

Resorts world NEVER had dealers to being with from Day 1. They would be violating NYS gaming commission if they did.
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Tanko
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May 10th, 2015 at 2:25:18 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

... table games are illegal in Resorts world.

but e-Craps is considered a slot machine, thus allowed.

Resorts world NEVER had dealers to being with from Day 1. They would be violating NYS gaming commission if they did.



I agree with you that table games are illegal at Resorts World.

But they have them anyway.

The fact that they are not using dealers does not make them legal.

NYS law does not bar dealers.

Adding dealers would not make their table games and more illegal than they already are.

Just less profitable.

What the law does bar, is gambling except lotteries operated by the State.

Electronic table games and slot machines do not qualify under the law.

Only Video Lottery Terminals are legal.

The racinos unexpectedly circumvented the law and installed electronic tables games.

Unlike VLT's, these games are not connected to a main server that determines the hand or roll outcome.

They are not considered lottery machines.

The NYS Court of Appeals also ruled these games do not constitute a valid lottery operated by the State.

The State allows them to remain in operation anyway, due to their profitability.

NYS Law does not even require these games to be random.

Circumventing the Law
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May 10th, 2015 at 6:53:47 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

I agree with you that table games are illegal at Resorts World.

But they have them anyway.

The fact that they are not using dealers does not make them legal.

NYS law does not bar dealers.

Adding dealers would not make their table games and more illegal than they already are.

Just less profitable.


WTF?
wow.. ok.. I'm done w/this conversation.

and you're on my ignore list for being a troll
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darkoz
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May 10th, 2015 at 7:28:38 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

I agree with you that table games are illegal at Resorts World.

But they have them anyway.

The fact that they are not using dealers does not make them legal.

NYS law does not bar dealers.

Adding dealers would not make their table games and more illegal than they already are.

Just less profitable.

What the law does bar, is gambling except lotteries operated by the State.

Electronic table games and slot machines do not qualify under the law.

Only Video Lottery Terminals are legal.

The racinos unexpectedly circumvented the law and installed electronic tables games.

Unlike VLT's, these games are not connected to a main server that determines the hand or roll outcome.

They are not considered lottery machines.

The NYS Court of Appeals also ruled these games do not constitute a valid lottery operated by the State.

The State allows them to remain in operation anyway, due to their profitability.

NYS Law does not even require these games to be random.

Circumventing the Law



That article misinterprets the law about the off-site computer. NYS law says the off-site computer must be in control OF the games, NOT CONTROL the games.

It may sound like the same but it is not. A dealer may be in control of the roulette ball BUT not be able to control its outcome. Likewise, the computers controlling all the lottery games in NYS do not CONTROL the outcomes. THAT part is completely random and that is where the daily news article misinterprets the legal definitions.

One of the NYS legal definitions is that a game cannot be operated by human hands -- so guess what -- Dealers are illegal in NYC because they operate the game by touching and operating the game with human hands.

You can read more about it in my article (quick plug here but it was written for this site) here -- http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/other-casinos/20742-a-tale-of-the-hustling-wars/
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Deck007
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May 10th, 2015 at 10:34:05 AM permalink
I agree with darkoz on this.
Tanko your link "Circumventing the Law" is your own invention and not the actual title of the article.
I am not a lawyer but arguments are normally about Interpretation of the Law.
To read your title would mean there is consensus on how the law should be Interpreted in the first place.
Whatever the legalese is there is always discretion on how the Executive Branch chose to handle such matters i.e. ignore it, or act on it.
richbailey86
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May 10th, 2015 at 6:57:11 PM permalink
One thing i want to mention

When i was playing the bubble craps the lady next to me was observing the dice. She was not betting. She was inputting the info into her phone

Seems silly
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Tanko
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May 10th, 2015 at 7:01:16 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

NYS law says the off-site computer must be in control OF the games, NOT CONTROL the games.

One of the NYS legal definitions is that a game cannot be operated by human hands -- so guess what -- Dealers are illegal in NYC because they operate the game by touching and operating the game with human hands.




I cannot find any reference to any of the above in NYS Video Lottery Gaming Law which governs racino operations.

Or here: NYS Gaming Commmission

I can not find any mention of off-site 'Control of Games', or any definition of any kind regarding operation or touching by human hands.

Can you provide a link to your source?
richbailey86
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May 26th, 2015 at 4:34:19 AM permalink
I hit a 12 on the field with a $100 bet

Paid triple
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