CRAPS ~ DICE UNBALANCE MYSTERY ~ DICE PHYSICAL DATA
That's what I'm about. Not in it for the bucks as their might be a total of Zero. But I'm all for taking chances and bettering my game.
So people can say what they want , but remember I'm not saying I can beat the game without doing it first. This is a long journey for me that far surpasses a few winning trips to the casino.
Cheers.
I think this is a craps site and the discussion of craps should include all aspects of the game.
I many time wonder why in the world you are here.... you know you cant bet your way to
wins that bend the HA.... and you don t have the ambition to work on your toss, so you are
a complete waste of time.
Now those that think it is possible to have some affect on the HA are at least making an effort
trying to improve the odds.... all your admitting to is that you have no answers and are cutting
down others that make an effort..
I understand the concept, it is better to succeed at nothing, than fail making some attempt to
improve something.
After 7 years and countless hours I am solid in my belief system.. so that's what I talk about.
you don't have to try it.. but until some one tells me this is not a craps site, and the throw is
not part of the game, I think I will just hang around.
In the mean time I will make a little money.
Mathextremist thinks he is the mad professor and will turn any small influence into a million
dollars..... that is maybe the dumbest thing I have heard in this conversation....
dicesetter
Quote: dicesetterI think I will just hang around.
I think you might be hanging around a little less for a few days...
Quote: dicesetter...and you don t have the ambition to work on your toss, so you are a complete waste of time.
ZCore13
By the way, here are my practice records for tonight
roll 1 9,4,10,9,4,9,9,6,8,7
roll 2 4,10,9,12,6,8,8,12,8,7
roll 3 9,9,6,5,8,3,12,7
roll 4 6,4,5,11,5,5,9,10,4,6,5,11,2,6,3,9,9,10.7
Not to shabby for a guy that does not belong on a craps site.
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterIn the mean time I will make a little money.
Mathextremist thinks he is the mad professor and will turn any small influence into a million
dollars..... that is maybe the dumbest thing I have heard in this conversation....
If you have a tiny edge in craps and you're not wealthy, you're a terrible craps player. Here's what a tiny edge will accomplish:
Quote: dicesitterMRv
By the way, here are my practice records for tonight
roll 1 9,4,10,9,4,9,9,6,8,7
roll 2 4,10,9,12,6,8,8,12,8,7
roll 3 9,9,6,5,8,3,12,7
roll 4 6,4,5,11,5,5,9,10,4,6,5,11,2,6,3,9,9,10.7
This is why you don't know what your edge is. You're paying attention to the outcomes, not the faces. Was that 2nd roll a hard 4? 1/3? 3/1? How many of those rolls remained on-axis after impact?
Did you pay attention to any of that while you were throwing? Or do you think none of that matters?
ALL the Dice CONTROL you keep bringing up, is a smoke screen. I think everyone here discussing this realizes DC is IMPOSSIBLE. No one but you keeps bringing it up.Quote: dicesitterMRV
can you read
"There is a large gap between showing that a player can affect the dice with the throw and sets and actually then
be able to affect the outcome in terms of wins or losses every time that person plays.. I am not and never will
be in that camp.... I don't think it can be done.. dice control is a myth, the idea that dice control can hurt the
casino is a myth. But I also know that a player can have some affect and coupled with decent betting can bend
the HA at times and have more wins than you should".
The casino never has and never will have anything to be afraid of with dice control... the concept of the dice control is
in the end the illusion human beings have of control....
I am not the Mad Professor here or others that suggest a 28 SRR and on and on. all I am saying is a person that
puts in the time can affect the results a tad and even if you cut the HA in half on certain numbers and lose less
than you should that is worth the effort.
You and others are suggesting you may as well have that cat ( and that was cool by the way) hit the dice down
the table.... that is absolutely false.
dicesetter
Most of us realize that DI (if possible) would only show actual results after a significant amount of rolls. Day to day wins and losses would be normal.
ME has simply asked you to provide 1080 videoed rolls. He obviously believes that would be worthwhile looking into. Is there any legitimate reason you are unwilling to do that?
I have all that data because it is important to me...and I did not think "you" would
understand. Now maybe if you paid me for it !!!!
Dicesetter
It's just a pick. It's too late to type them into the computer right now.
Sure I am the only one providing anything..... I don't know if Mathextremist could find
his butt with both hands. So far all he has been is critical of my work.
Then he says well if I provide 1080 rolls he will grant me a hearing, look at my work
and see if it meets his standards and then if so he charges me for his help....
I am not on here to change his mind, your mind or anyone else. This is a craps site.
I like craps, and the discussion of dice setting should not be confined to the ramblings
of the Mad professor or others that exaggerate what can and can not be done with the
dice.
In my mind if you don't look at what the dice do and why, you may just as well
not talk about craps at all.
If and I say if Mathextremist knows anything about the dice, he understands you don't get those
types of practice rolls by accident.
Now if the guy would come off his high horse and act like a decent participant, there is a lot that
could be learned from the dice.
dicersetter
Quote:Now if the guy would come off his high horse and act like a decent participant, there is a lot that
could be learned from the dice.
So now the dice are pedagogues?
"Anthropomorphizing Dem Bones," eh?
The delusion deepens, and sadly appears to be self-reinforcing.
I just want to see ONE, let me say it againone single ounce of proof that DI works.Quote: dicesitterAxelwolf
Sure I am the only one providing anything..... I don't know if Mathextremist could find
his butt with both hands. So far all he has been is critical of my work.
Then he says well if I provide 1080 rolls he will grant me a hearing, look at my work
and see if it meets his standards and then if so he charges me for his help....
I am not on here to change his mind, your mind or anyone else. This is a craps site.
I like craps, and the discussion of dice setting should not be confined to the ramblings
of the Mad professor or others that exaggerate what can and can not be done with the
dice.
In my mind if you don't look at what the dice do and why, you may just as well
not talk about craps at all.
If and I say if Mathextremist knows anything about the dice, he understands you don't get those
types of practice rolls by accident.
Now if the guy would come off his high horse and act like a decent participant, there is a lot that
could be learned from the dice.
dicersetter
Whats it been now, 10 years without any proof or anyone coming forward? Don't tell me all craps DI's people are this special breed that can keep a secret for 10+ years.
Imagine if you could show that DI can be achieved. Dicesitter's DI classes commands 3k to 4k a pop and sets record attendance. Ill be your first customer and bring half a dozen more.
Millionaire offers Dicesitter the gambling deal of a lifetime.
There's a small 1080 P HD wide angel camera pen that fits neatly into your top pocket, it can probably record 4 to 6 hrs of video, they cost about $50.
Why not record 50 hrs or more of actual casino play? Privately show someone like The Wizard and swear him to secrecy. He could say ya or nay this guy made a profit. It's very little effort. Hell I'll spring for the pen if you'll actually do it. There's little effort because you're playing craps anyway. 1 or 2 extra minutes of preparation. You'll even forget it's there.
Win lose or draw I can respect the effort.
Doesn't it strike you odd that people have proven probable advantages in just about every game, from the big 6 to bingo, but DI hasn't produced anything but fiction?
Your shot "looks good" but the evidence is overwhelming DI doesn't work.
May I ask how much you're up and approximately how many hours of play?
Do you have a real job or any other source of income? Can you support yourself on DI. Does anyone know someone that does?
Quote: AxelWolfI just want to see ONE, let me say it againone single ounce of proof that DI works.
You won't find that in this thread. At least not with our esteemed colleague.
Quote:Your shot "looks good" but the evidence is overwhelming DI doesn't work.
May I ask how much you're up and approximately how many hours of play?
He's not up, he even admits that even with all his "practice" he doesn't think it's possible to beat the game. Maybe - MAYBE - it's possible to just nudge the edge slightly less negative. But, and I quote, "the idea that dice control can hurt the casino is a myth." Keep tilting at windmills, though.
I know better. I know because I've modeled it and studied it, starting about 12 years ago after the first time I heard about this idea of skilled dice shooting and thought "hey, these dice-seminar guys are out there just guessing at how to throw and how to bet. I can maximize the theoretical edge with a rigorous treatment." At this point, I can quantify the edge as it changes with given levels of influence.
As a result, I know that even with a very small amount of axis-face suppression, a skilled shooter could make the edge positive on several bets. Because our esteemed friend has no faith in his particular ability to beat the game, this tells me that he doesn't possess that very small amount of influence. Even after seven years of trying to produce it. So no, he's not a theoretical winner, and probably not an actual winner either.
He's not even serious about figuring it out, judging from the fidelity of the data he captures. If you're trying to test the question "do I have influence over the dice when I throw them," recording only the sum of the two faces (and no other information) is not the right way to go about it. And when I give him a proper experimental design, I get yelled at for my troubles. Figures.
"It is impossible for a Die, with such determin'd force and direction, not to fall on such determin'd side, only I don't know the force and direction which makes it fall on such determin'd side, and therefore I call it Chance, which is nothing but the want of art...."
-- John Arbuthnot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0451-V-LVAw I believe this guy uses his iphone to record.
The pen recording quality I've seen on sample footage o youtube is all kinda junky :(
Plus when its strapped to your pocket its kinda hard to capture what you want with out twisting and bending your body.
Axelwolf, I don't supposed you want to hold an iphone for meh? :P
But we wouldn't have to do that if Ahigh lets us have another challenge!
I think Ahigh said he wasn't interested in hosting that type of stuff anymore(I could be wrong)Quote: nickolay411The best picture quality you could get is from a iphone. Having someone not playing stand a bit back and try to capture it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0451-V-LVAw I believe this guy uses his iphone to record.
The pen recording quality I've seen on sample footage o youtube is all kinda junky :(
Plus when its strapped to your pocket its kinda hard to capture what you want with out twisting and bending your body.
Axelwolf, I don't supposed you want to hold an iphone for meh? :P
But we wouldn't have to do that if Ahigh lets us have another challenge!
Crappie Video is fine. We are not shooting a Hollywood movie or trying to see what the dice actually do.
I just want conformation from anyone that claims they make money with dice influence actually does. I'm not interested in what you do at home, I'm not interested in peoples delusional made up data or cherry picking. I don't even care that the slow motion videos show that its RANDOM. Maybe just maybe there's something we are missing, so SHOW ME THE WINNING RESULTS. Put your money where our mouth is. Its really that simple. If I tell you I can beat something (and I can) but you don't believe me, I will gladly provide proof by ponying up some money and doing it(if its worth my time).
As for your shot, lets make it simple. Bet the minimum on the craps game. At the end what ever you are up, I will give you x times that amount(what ever you are comfortable with) If you are down, you owe me x times that amount. Its very simple, play until you want to stop. If you want to make a side wager, that you can achieve something, we can do that as well. I'm sure if you bring some money and make some side bets, enough people would be willing to come watch you shoot. If you're interested in having it video recorded, I'm sure we can find a way.
Probably all a wast of time talking about it because rarely does anything ever pan out.
Quote: MathExtremist
He's not up, he even admits that even with all his "practice" he doesn't think it's possible to beat the game. Maybe - MAYBE - it's possible to just nudge the edge slightly less negative. But, and I quote, "the idea that dice control can hurt the casino is a myth." Keep tilting at windmills, though.
I know better. I know because I've modeled it and studied it, starting about 12 years ago after the first time I heard about this idea of skilled dice shooting and thought "hey, these dice-seminar guys are out there just guessing at how to throw and how to bet. I can maximize the theoretical edge with a rigorous treatment." At this point, I can quantify the edge as it changes with given levels of influence.
As a result, I know that even with a very small amount of axis-face suppression, a skilled shooter could make the edge positive on several bets. Because our esteemed friend has no faith in his particular ability to beat the game, this tells me that he doesn't possess that very small amount of influence. Even after seven years of trying to produce it. So no, he's not a theoretical winner, and probably not an actual winner either.
He's not even serious about figuring it out, judging from the fidelity of the data he captures. If you're trying to test the question "do I have influence over the dice when I throw them," recording only the sum of the two faces (and no other information) is not the right way to go about it. And when I give him a proper experimental design, I get yelled at for my troubles. Figures.
It really is another nail in the coffin.
Look, it doesn't matter if you grow petunias, or sell encyclopedias, or raise cattle, or throw dice. It doesn't matter if you claim to be the GOAT or if you know you're terrible. If someone who's an expert in the field offers to help, where said help increases your profits by several hundred percent with the only catch being that he gets 10%, there really is only one question that needs be asked - "How fast can you get here?"
There is absolutely no reason not to seek and/or accept the help, other than there is nothing there to help.
Say what you want about Ahigh. At least he did the work, and had the balls to post it and get torn to shreds.
Quote:just want conformation from anyone that claims they make money with dice influence actually does.
This would be a PERFECT opportunity for Frank Scoblete to weigh in with the proof that he must have accumulated to support his claim that dice setters are winning millions from the casinos.
Heck, he fancies himself fully immersed in the DI culture, and while he may have once been a wayward catholic boy, one assumes his moral compass has since kicked in and would prevent him from telling a lie.
So Frank, where's the proof?
This is your time to lay it all out for the world to see.
Quote: nickolay411Axelwolf lets do it!!! I think I have a good track record of putting money where my mouth is. I like the idea of X times of win/lose amount.
You should get some of these guys to show up when your in town, but I wouldn't let them bet on you they might make money for once in their life.
Quote: superrickYou should get some of these guys to show up when your in town, but I wouldn't let them bet on you they might make money for once in their life.
Oh snap!!!!
I am assuming you jest' !!!!!!!!!!!
"Why not record 50 hrs or more of actual casino play? Privately show someone like The Wizard and swear him to secrecy. He could say ya or nay this guy made a profit. It's very little effort. Hell I'll spring for the pen if you'll actually do it. There's little effort because you're playing craps anyway. 1 or 2 extra minutes of preparation. You'll even forget it's there. "
Win lose or draw I can respect the effort.
I have already made 7 years of effort... I don't need you to respect what I have done.. I respect it.
As far as playing craps as a full time income.....laughing..... now see that was good.
You don't have to make a full time income to be affective, you don't even have to win..... Now if you are really serious
about this, and I assume you are since you want me to take 50 hours of my time to provide you something, why don't you
take only a few hours are your time.... and even ask Mathextremist to take a few hours of his time and determine the
expected loss if you played 100 hands two times a week with a $5 pass line bet and triple odds and a $18 6 & 8 place bet.
Now if you care enough you will find that the expected loss peer year is quite large, and as a person that sets the dice, if I only
cut that loss in half I have accomplished more than 98% of craps players... if I stay even for the year, well that is a fairly
high deviation from what the expected loss would be.
I don't have a problem providing data, but you have to do something.
dicesetter
Quote: MathExtremistYou've spent seven years working on your game, thousands of hours standing at the tables, and you're proud of being able to say "I still lose, just less than other players?"
The "raison d'être" for this forum?
ZCore13
Well sure, but Mike put in the time with WoO so you wouldn't have to, and his return on that investment was a lot more than "losing less." WoO lets you spend seven minutes reading about playing lower-EV craps, not seven years.Quote: DoubleOrNothingThe "raison d'être" for this forum?
You could do better than our intrepid dice influencer merely by playing $10 line bets with 3/4/5x odds and skipping the place bets altogether. That shouldn't take seven years to figure out.
I apologize. I keep forgetting that you are NOT a winning DI craps player.Quote: dicesitterAxelwolf
I am assuming you jest' !!!!!!!!!!!
"Why not record 50 hrs or more of actual casino play? Privately show someone like The Wizard and swear him to secrecy. He could say ya or nay this guy made a profit. It's very little effort. Hell I'll spring for the pen if you'll actually do it. There's little effort because you're playing craps anyway. 1 or 2 extra minutes of preparation. You'll even forget it's there. "
Win lose or draw I can respect the effort.
I have already made 7 years of effort... I don't need you to respect what I have done.. I respect it.
As far as playing craps as a full time income.....laughing..... now see that was good.
You don't have to make a full time income to be affective, you don't even have to win..... Now if you are really serious
about this, and I assume you are since you want me to take 50 hours of my time to provide you something, why don't you
take only a few hours are your time.... and even ask Mathextremist to take a few hours of his time and determine the
expected loss if you played 100 hands two times a week with a $5 pass line bet and triple odds and a $18 6 & 8 place bet.
Now if you care enough you will find that the expected loss peer year is quite large, and as a person that sets the dice, if I only
cut that loss in half I have accomplished more than 98% of craps players... if I stay even for the year, well that is a fairly
high deviation from what the expected loss would be.
I don't have a problem providing data, but you have to do something.
dicesetter
Next time I ask you something (in case I forget again) just answer with the following....
Axel, let me remind you, I have been playing for 7 years, I'm playing with -EV and I lose playing craps. You're only gaming interest is in actually making money. I'm happy with LOSING less money.
Ask me again in 7 more years.
Good luck.
dicesetter
dicesetter
Quote: Zcore13I'm pretty sure that the seven years are completely fruitless, but how would it sound if you said you've been practicing and working on your game for 7 years and absolutely nothing has come of it. But, he can't prove that he beats the odds and makes money. so the easiest thing to say is that he is able to reduce his losses a little bit.
In truth, the variance inherent in the game is so large that the difference between his play under the assumption of fair dice and under the assumption of "slight bias to reduce but not eliminate losses" is statistically undetectable. 100 trials twice a week for 7 years is less than 75,000 trials. If I did this right, the 90% confidence interval of just the passline over that period of time is between -3.72% and +0.89% of 75,000 line bets. The mean is -1.414% and a result of -0.707% overall (that is, half of the expected loss) is well within the confidence interval. Put another way, if seven different people make 7 years worth of line bets the way that was described, on average about one of them will be net positive after all those bets and two more will be "better than average." Nothing surprising about those results.
There isn't enough information to do examine the rest (re: place bets) but the point is not to confuse luck with skill. Maybe he really hasn't lost as much as he thinks he should have. Maybe he's right about how much he should have lost, his results aren't that negative, and he got a little lucky. Maybe he's actually wrong about how much he should have lost. I wouldn't discount either scenario. But attributing a slightly above-average result to skill is totally unfounded.
In other words, don't chalk something up to skill when you can't rule out luck.
If it worked don't you think I would have seen one and then arranged to play with him.
Quote: ontariodealerif it helps I'll reiterate......craps dealer, 41 years, seen every type of D.I. shots and shooters, still see them every day. # of long term winners.........zero.
If it worked don't you think I would have seen one and then arranged to play with him.
I guess the the great madprofessor that says he plays in your casinos is one of those many losers!
One poster zinged him with:
"S-rick,
The craving for status and acceptance of being part of selected
group is all I can get out of your posts."
source:http://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/post/dis-and-the-rest-of-the-world-5066750?trail=15&highlight=superrick
For some, negative attention is better than none.
Superrick, you were mocked at Patrick's board; what in the heck did you think would happen when you brought your lame "dice and pony show" over here?
I admire the restraint of your critics at WoV.
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Quote: ontariodealerif it helps I'll reiterate......craps dealer, 41 years, seen every type of D.I. shots and shooters, still see them every day. # of long term winners.........zero.
If it worked don't you think I would have seen one and then arranged to play with him.
ontariodealer, ever deal to Ontario and Canadian craps player (forum member's name removed from this discussion by mod)?
Quote: ontariodealerIf I have or haven't I cannot talk about a player on this or any other forum.
So you have some kind of Canadian dealer-player confidentiality code. The same kind we read about in trip reports or hear about Phil Ivey?
And what is this if you are not talking about every player at your casino you have seen for 41 years?
Quote: ontariodealerif it helps I'll reiterate......craps dealer, 41 years, seen every type of D.I. shots and shooters, still see them every day. # of long term winners.........zero.
Maybe you don't.
Here's a clue: "individual" vs. "group."
Quote: MrVSuperrick came in for his share of criticism when he posted at Patrick's board.
One poster zinged him with:
"S-rick,
The craving for status and acceptance of being part of selected
group is all I can get out of your posts."
source:http://roncen.websitetoolbox.com/post/dis-and-the-rest-of-the-world-5066750?trail=15&highlight=superrick
For some, negative attention is better than none.
Superrick, you were mocked at Patrick's board; what in the heck did you think would happen when you brought your lame "dice and pony show" over here?
I admire the restraint of your critics at WoV.
Oh MrV why aren't you replying to the Thread https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/22507-gaming-commission-comedy-of-errors/#post468140
After all you know it all, where do you stand on that thread?
By the way if you do read that thread on Patrick's board that is now dead, read the whole thread.
Being mocked on any board isn't a bad thing after all MrV you are mocked all the time on this and any other board you post on.
MrV do you even play craps, or are you only here for the attention your post bring to you?
DI? Why DI when you have extremely bias dice? Hell why not incorporate the 2?Quote: ontariodealerit must be a very sad way to live your life superick and harley (bohemian)....you posess these skills of D.I. but instead of emptying the casino's pockets you spend countless hours creating and talking on these forums.
In the other thread He noticed the dice were extremely biased but keeps playing against the bias and loses. Why not bet With the bias? I'm confused.
Quote: Quote: ontariodealer
if it helps I'll reiterate......craps dealer, 41 years, seen every type of D.I. shots and shooters, still see them every day. # of long term winners.........zero.
If it worked don't you think I would have seen one and then arranged to play with him.Quote: superrickI guess the the great madprofessor that says he plays in your casinos is one of those many losers!
superrick,
This appears, on the surface, to be a factually correct statement on your part to what Ontariodealer said about long term results, but it also can be read as a personal insult to mad professor, a member here. Warning; further posts of this type will not be tolerated. Thank you.
Quote: Bohemianontariodealer, ever deal to Ontario and Canadian craps player (forum member's name removed from this discussion by mod)?
Bohemian is suspended, 14 days (4th offense) for violating Rule 4, respecting privacy.
Quote: beachbumbabsBohemian is suspended, 14 days (4th offense) for violating Rule 4, respecting privacy.
It's amazing to me that these conspiracy proponents are so quick to publish the names of players, casino managers, and gaming commission members but won't step out of the shadow of anonymity themselves.
Quote:MrV do you even play craps, or are you only here for the attention your post bring to you?
I played craps last weekend, and I plan to play later today.
My game is unadulterated by ridiculous conspiracy notions of "unbalanced dice."
Nor do I allow the quasi-mystical belief in "dice influencing" to deter me from betting on random rollers.
I accept the fact that craps is a negative expectation game, and that all rolls are and should be random.
I lose money in the long run.
Who cares?
I do not expect or demand AP at a craps table.
I have fun, which is ALL I CARE ABOUT.
As for why I post here, there are some pretty sharp minds on this board, some realists with a low tolerance for BS.
I note that denizens of WoV do not seem to tolerate fools gladly.
There are too many fools in this world: somebody has to weed them out.
Quote: MathExtremistWell sure, but Mike put in the time with WoO so you wouldn't have to, and his return on that investment was a lot more than "losing less." WoO lets you spend seven minutes reading about playing lower-EV craps, not seven years.
No, but it's fun to watch you dance around my earlier observation about "losing less" as pertains to the regular forum members. Something about a tangled web.
"Actuaries are well compensated. Experienced fellows have the potential to earn from $150,000 to $250,000 annually, and many actuaries earn more than that. Compensation may vary significantly according to years of experience, industry, geographic region, and responsibilities," https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=average+actuary+salary.
I don't want to get into the actuaries whom I've met at one time or another, but suffice it to say the lower end of the pay grade starts at the student actuary level of practice. The sky's the limit for the non-gambler go-getters.
Quote: MathExtremistThat shouldn't take seven years to figure out.
We don't require anyone to tell us that the house, in whichever form, always wins as far as actually counts. Gamblers of the degree who frequent public gambling forums simply don't admit their real losses, or aren't even aware of the many indirect losses. Least of all, I suspect, the guy who passed the cup here awhile back to keep it open.
We do require someone who can tell us how to actually win in meaningful ways. Because "losing less" invariably turns into a mountain out of a molehill, and fizzles out completely.
Quote: DoubleOrNothing"Actuaries are well compensated. Experienced fellows have the potential to earn from $150,000 to $250,000 annually, and many actuaries earn more than that. Compensation may vary significantly according to years of experience, industry, geographic region, and responsibilities," https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=average+actuary+salary.
I don't want to get into the actuaries whom I've met at one time or another, but suffice it to say the lower end of the pay grade starts at the student actuary level of practice. The sky's the limit for the non-gambler go-getters.
I'm not talking about an actuary's salary. You know the Wizard had an exit recently, right? It's because he turned his passion for gaming math into a profitable endeavor. To my knowledge, nobody has turned their passion for dice influencing into a profitable endeavor. How many craps APs do you know with seven figures in lifetime earnings?
Quote: MathExtremistI'm not talking about an actuary's salary. You know the Wizard had an exit recently, right? It's because he turned his passion for gaming math into a profitable endeavor. To my knowledge, nobody has turned their passion for dice influencing into a profitable endeavor. How many craps APs do you know with seven figures in lifetime earnings?
Oh oh oh! Pick me! Let me answer! Pick me!
The answer... None.
But let's make it a little easier. How about lifetime earning of 6 figures. AP players can and do accomplish that and can prove it. So how many dice players have ever profited 6 figures in their life...
The answer... None. Unless maybe they are ripping people off and offering classes on how tO pretend to be a winner but not be one.
ZCore13
Of course, I have 4 figures in lifetime craps winnings just from getting lucky, so...
Quote:How many craps APs do you know with seven figures in lifetime earnings?
I know of a guy who knows some guys; in fact, he even wrote a book about their exploits.
"Craps Underground: The Inside Story of How Dice Controllers are Winning Millions from the Casinos!"
Got that?
"Millions!"
Cue: Frank Scoblete.
Frank?
*crickets*
