Hop Bets?
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The layout contains all the "hop bets". Our other 14' table does not have hop bets. Thus, in all the years I have been doing this, I've never had a player ask for a hop bet.
My fear is two-fold:
1. While I love one-roll bets, it can sting when the number hits, even with the payoffs shaved. Lots of hits could make for a bad night.
2. I'm thinking that overall, this will slow the game down considerably, (a) in constantly explaining the bet to players, (b) finding/placing the wager on the correct spot and (c) making payouts.
Thoughts?
Thanks.
Quote: RivaA local gentleman recently donated a 12' casino-quality craps table to our school to use during our fundraising events. The table as well as the layout are virtually brand new condition.
The layout contains all the "hop bets". Our other 14' table does not have hop bets. Thus, in all the years I have been doing this, I've never had a player ask for a hop bet.
My fear is two-fold:
1. While I love one-roll bets, it can sting when the number hits, even with the payoffs shaved. Lots of hits could make for a bad night.
2. I'm thinking that overall, this will slow the game down considerably, (a) in constantly explaining the bet to players, (b) finding/placing the wager on the correct spot and (c) making payouts.
Thoughts?
Thanks.
It does slow the game down.
My first thought is that in a limited time you could get killed if a few people have nice payouts on them, however since you limit people to winning $500 in a night I don't think you have to worry about any of that.
Point 2 is a whole nother story. For the reasons mentioned in #2, don't offer the bet. Only a select few players will notice. But I doubt they will complain. It they do, just say it can't be offered since its not on all the tables.
Quote: GWAEIt does slow the game down.
My first thought is that in a limited time you could get killed if a few people have nice payouts on them, however since you limit people to winning $500 in a night I don't think you have to worry about any of that.
I don't have much issue with paying a person $500 a night. What I do have problems with is paying "dozens" of people $500 a night!
With that said, slowing the game down is reason enough for me not to offer the bet.
this is hard to believeQuote: RivaOur other 14' table does not have hop bets. Thus, in all the years I have been doing this, I've never had a player ask for a hop bet.
one can not bet the 2,3,11 or 12 on your 14' in the prop bet area?
they have to be hop bets
but I do thinks more hop bets for the players could mean less for your school
that chance is >0 (and you if you get a cut of the profits)
Casino Fundraisers are fun!
I was at one last weekend
Lots of makeup, short dresses, high heels, lots of food and drinks
and that was just the all male band!
hehe
Sally
Quote: DJTeddyBear
Point 2 is a whole nother story. For the reasons mentioned in #2, don't offer the bet. Only a select few players will notice. But I doubt they will complain. It they do, just say it can't be offered since its not on all the tables.
Rather than leave it out there and have to say "no' all the time, I'll just have a new, custom layout made.
Quote: mustangsallythis is hard to believe
one can not bet the 2,3,11 or 12 on your 14' in the prop bet area?
they have to be hop bets
but I do thinks more hop bets for the players could mean less for your school
that chance is >0 (and you if you get a cut of the profits)
Casino Fundraisers are fun!
I was at one last weekend
Lots of makeup, short dresses, high heels, lots of food and drinks
and that was just the all male band!
hehe
Sally
We have the 2, 3, 11, 12 on the 14' table and they get played a lot. The 14' table does not have a "hop bet" area printed on it. I suppose somebody could ask for a certain hop bet however, in my experience if it's not on the layout, nobody asks for it.
Also, I make $0 of the profits.
New felt is expesive. Jujst cover the hop bets with "Its For Charity" sign.Quote: RivaRather than leave it out there and have to say "no' all the time, I'll just have a new, custom layout made.
Actually I would offer the hop bets with high minimum and shaved payouts. 16 perectn house edge in the real world.... great money maker. Slow things down? Not usually.
Quote: FleaStiffNew felt is expesive. Jujst cover the hop bets with "Its For Charity" sign.
Actually I would offer the hop bets with high minimum and shaved payouts. 16 perectn house edge in the real world.... great money maker. Slow things down? Not usually.
I can get a new custom layout (with the school logo and shaved points) for about $300.
On our other table, the payouts on the 2 and 12 are printed into the fabric per my instructions. The 2 & 12 pays 20:1. The 3 and 11 pays 10:1.
I would do the same on the hop bets however, since the payouts are already printed in to the layout, to shave the payouts, we'd have to tape over each of the payouts and write in the shaved payouts. That will look like hell. For many years, we would put duct tape over the "don't come" block and the one roll bets. It's a real turnoff.
For those that say it won't slow the game, remember that the dealers are mostly novices. Finding the correct spots will slow things down. And although the math is the same as 2,3,11,12, it's different somehow. It will slow things down.
Quote: DJTeddyBearGetting a new felt, without the Hop bets, is the way to go.
For those that say it won't slow the game, remember that the dealers are mostly novices. Finding the correct spots will slow things down. And although the math is the same as 2,3,11,12, it's different somehow. It will slow things down.
Does the game stop for an unusual amount of time when the horn hits? If the dealer's can handle that, the hops should be fine, since it is the box person's responsibility to keep them straight and arrange the pays. On average, they will be collecting 17 times for everytime there is a payout, so I don't think it is too much work compared to the potential profit. The shaved odds make the payout math easy too. I don't even want to hear the house edge on them. Player's would really feel like suckers if they knew how bad they were getting it. However, it's all for charity.
Most tables don’t seem to have spaces on the table for hop bets so if, for example, I bet $10 hopping the 2-6, where do they put my chips? Do they mark my bet somehow or just remember it’s on 2-6?
Quote: Ace2I’ve never made a hop bet but I’m curious to know how the dealers book it.
Most tables don’t seem to have spaces on the table for hop bets so if, for example, I bet $10 hopping the 2-6, where do they put my chips? Do they mark my bet somehow or just remember it’s on 2-6?
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In 2022, after the hop bet scandal at Bellagio, I think most casinos have changed their layouts to have the hop bets marked. I dont know of any casino today without the new layouts. Anyone know of any?
