No Pass Psychology
Also, if you play the don't come, you end up losing piece-meal and winning big when a seven is rolled as opposed to winning piece-meal and losing big with the come or place bets.
I hate when a seven is rolled and the whole table is wiped away but when betting against the table a seven is a bonanza.
Quote: sodawaterexcept don't betting really sucks when you have continuous DC with full odds and they keep rolling point number after point number after point number.
Yeah Those dice setters give me nightmares too.
Quote: TerribleTomIt takes some patience, but DP+odds is the best bet on the table. I like being a wrong bettor, though I do make an effort not to gloat when I'm winning.
Say you were blind and deaf and always made the same line bet. But you don't know if it's pass or don't pass. The dealers just pay you when you win. Do you realize how long you'd have to play craps, and how many line bets you'd have to make, just to have a statistically meaningful way to tell if you had been betting the pass or don't pass?
Whatever you're thinking in your head, it's way more than that.
Play the DP if you enjoy it better than the pass. And vice versa. They are, for all practical purposes, equally good bets.
Quote: sodawaterSay you were blind and deaf and always made the same line bet. But you don't know if it's pass or don't pass. The dealers just pay you when you win. Do you realize how long....
I would feel for the vibrations like a snake. If I felt vibration from people clapping / cheering or jumping up and down and I got payed, I would know I'm on pass.
Quote: DraculaI would feel for the vibrations like a snake. If I felt vibration from people clapping / cheering or jumping up and down and I got payed, I would know I'm on pass.
That made me laugh.
Quote: FinsRuleThat made me laugh.
Good! After, I was looking at that thinking I might have to not post when I've been drinking. Thanks lol
Darth
Quote: darthvaderPlaying a continuous DC increases the variance to the point where a loss or two scares most dark side newbies off of it. Better IMO to do a single DC. More of a grind, yes, but usually profitable for me.
Darth
That's pretty much how I roll as well.
Quote: DraculaI would feel for the vibrations like a snake. If I felt vibration from people clapping / cheering or jumping up and down and I got payed, I would know I'm on pass.
That was a great post. LOL.
Yes, but you have to make the wager before the point is established when that come out roll just might be a Seven....Quote: longtimelancerI prefer betting the no pass/don't because you are more likely to win after the point is established.
The difference between PASS line betting and DON"TPASS betting is but a mathematical smidgen. That is why the house doesn't care which you do. Now IF you get over that hurdle of the first roll of the dice and a point is indeed established, yes... then you are sitting pretty waiting for that inevitable Seven and knowing that it is the most likely, though not guaranteed, number to be rolled.
Quote: sodawaterexcept don't betting really sucks when you have continuous DC with full odds and they keep rolling point number after point number after point number.
Nothing worse than having DC bets picked off.....you know you have an advantage once the DC's are up. Probably similar to having an extremely favorable count in BJ only to lose every bet
How about always placing an equal flat bet on the Come and Don't Come line and then take Full Odds on the Don't Come point ? This would Eliminate any House advantage on the Come Our Roll . It should work the same way on the Come and Don't Come.
Just give Max Odds on the Don't Bets.
Tell me what you guys think .
Quote: lordjim103
How about always placing an equal flat bet on the Come and Don't Come line and then take Full Odds on the Don't Come point ? This would Eliminate any House advantage on the Come Our Roll
Tell me what you guys think .
I think that you may think that the number, '12' doesn't exist.
That's why I question whether or not you believe the number '12,' exists, because of the number twelve, you can only lose or break even on the Doey-Don't aspect of the bet (i.e. the Come-Out roll).
Quote: lordjim103Why do you feel that are you more likely to win after the point is established ?
After the point is established the Don't is more likely to win.
6:5 on 6/8, 3:2 on 5/9, 2:1 on 4/10.
Of course, the payoff is the inverse of the odds, and for the Pass/Come side of the equation the bets pay the other way - which makes both sides even money over the long term.
But in terms of actual bets resolved, the Don't is definitely more likely to win after a point has been established.
Quote: dwmThere is no meaningful difference between the dos and donts. So it doesnt matter which side you play. The house will always have a small edge on even the best craps bets.
Yeah, the stink eye means nothing.
Quote: longtimelancerI prefer betting the no pass/don't because you are more likely to win after the point is established and after you lay odds when you have most of your money on the table. I understand that you win less than betting the pass/come, but the higher likelihood of winning appeals to the fiscal conservative in me.
Also, if you play the don't come, you end up losing piece-meal and winning big when a seven is rolled as opposed to winning piece-meal and losing big with the come or place bets.
I hate when a seven is rolled and the whole table is wiped away but when betting against the table a seven is a bonanza.
You have described my feelings exactly - in fact I could dig up a post where I said pretty much the same thing but in different words. Win a lot all at once, lose a bit at a time. And you're a favorite to win once you've gotten all the money down.
But, alas, I've fallen away from my dark side ways. On this recent trip, I only played the wrong way for one session. Which was good, because I was at the table for several hot rolls that would have destroyed a dark sider. It's just more fun to cheer with the table and enjoy a good roll.
