AlanMendelson
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March 6th, 2014 at 2:53:19 AM permalink
There are new procedures for the craps dealers at Caesars Palace. If a new player wants to buy in when the player has the dice -- not only are they to let the new player buy in but they don't do anything to delay the buy in. If there is money and chips being exchanged when the shooter has the dice it's okay. If someone is buying in the stickman should not delay pushing the dice to the shooter. There is no more etiquette.

I wrote about it on my website forum here: http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?2790-Meltdown-at-a-craps-table-at-Caesars

The table I was shooting at had a meltdown Wednesday when everything went wrong and a lot of money was lost when a new player bought in. None of the dealers delayed anything, nor did the new player, nor did the shooter -- me -- and I should have seen what was going on.
odiousgambit
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March 6th, 2014 at 3:01:19 AM permalink
What you describe is not the worst I've seen, this business of immediately sending the dice back out can be nuts.

Frankly, I don't seriously contend that hitting hands or chips matters at all. I agree it can be a violation of etiquette though.

Playing with Teddys last Sunday, I noted he calls out "Hands!" pretty loud if it is time for him to toss and it's evident some folks on the other end are still fumbling around with something. Teddy didn't seem to set the dice and lobbed the dice pretty high, so it couldnt have been for any reason other than to avoid something that ticks a lot of players off. I've decided to emulate him on this.
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boymimbo
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March 6th, 2014 at 6:49:37 AM permalink
They can pass the dice all they want but if it were me (as the shooter) I will wait until all transactions are complete and the table is clear.

I've done that before and the crew has responded by taking the dice back until the transaction was complete, then stick them over again.

It's all about RPM.
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AcesAndEights
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:01:27 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I wrote about it on my website forum here: http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/showthread.php?2790-Meltdown-at-a-craps-table-at-Caesars


Quote: AlanMendelson (from his forum)

...and it cost some players a lot of money.


Come on Alan, you don't actually believe in a cause and effect here, do you? The chances of a seven showing are 1 in 6, regardless of who is buying in where and what the dice hit at the other end of the table.

In fact in this situation I usually try to hit the new player on the hands, to teach them a lesson.
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teddys
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:03:25 AM permalink
OG, they were moving the dice REALLY fast at Meadows. But they were also good dealers! They made quick payouts.

You should absolutely be able to buy in anytime you want. If the shooter has the dice, you should NOT make any bets or buy-ins. OG, at Meadows the guy to the right of me kept making late bets and I could tell it was really pissing the dealers off. I hinted at him many times to cut it out.

If you put money down on the table while the shooter has the dice, the dealer should call "no action on the cash, change only after the roll." If you want action immediately on your buy-in, get your money down while the dice are in the center.
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boymimbo
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March 6th, 2014 at 9:55:13 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Come on Alan, you don't actually believe in a cause and effect here, do you? The chances of a seven showing are 1 in 6, regardless of who is buying in where and what the dice hit at the other end of the table.

In fact in this situation I usually try to hit the new player on the hands, to teach them a lesson.



I've actually thrown dice at players if they're really being jerks. Of course I bounce it off the table first so it looks somewhat unfishy.
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sodawater
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March 6th, 2014 at 12:37:22 PM permalink
this is good for the game. in general, the dice should be sent as soon as possible. players don't want to stand around and wait for the game to resume, and the casino is losing money every time the dice are stuck in the center.

as for "etiquette," if players would just rid themselves of ridiculous superstitions like "new buy ins cause 7s" or "hitting a hand or some chips cause 7s," then we wouldn't have to worry about offending players. fortunately for the casinos, most players will never rid themselves of ridiculous superstitions.
AlanMendelson
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March 6th, 2014 at 12:46:51 PM permalink
Superstition or not I wouldn't want the dice to hit my hand and I never buy in until the next shooter gets the dice.
sodawater
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March 6th, 2014 at 12:57:32 PM permalink
there's no reason whatsoever to wait for the next shooter to make your buy in. Just choose a moment where the dealer isn't busy paying out, and buy in. The whole concept of "it's rude" to buy in during a hand is due to the superstition that new buy ins cause 7s -- and that, itself, is due to confirmation bias because players remember when a new buy in was followed by a 7 and they forget the time a new buy in was followed by an easy 6.
sodawater
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March 6th, 2014 at 1:00:57 PM permalink
On a related note, I always am very amused when I am shooting, doing well, and a die goes off the table. Players implore me to choose "same dice!" and I never do. The more hardcore fanatics will call their bets "off" for the roll after the stick dumps the bowl.

How do players even develop these illogical superstitions? I would say they are harmless, except obviously craps is a less enjoyable game if you're living in constant fear of dice going off the table, hitting a hand, a new player buying in, or someone saying the word 7. None of those things should remotely bother you, and if they do it is detracting from what should be an entertaining game.

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