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January 21st, 2014 at 12:04:20 AM
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This is from me watching and playing for about 50ish minutes. I didn't play just watched and wrote these results down. just thought you would like to see real results.. If not, no need to look further.
1st roll, 11, point 4,9,5,10,8,8,8,6 and 7 out
2nd roll, point 9, 9 winner, point 5, 4,3 5 winner, point 8,11 and 7 out
3rd roll, point 5, 9,2,6,5 winner, point 6,4,5 and 7 out
4th roll, 11, point 10,9, 10 winner, point 6, 12,3,4,3, 6 winner, point 6, 6 winner, point 6, 3,8,12 and 7 out
5th roll, 7, point 5, 9,6,4,11,9,11, winner 5, point 8, 10, 7 out
6th roll, point 10,3,8,9,9,7 out
7th roll, 3,6,4,9,11,4,6 winner, point 6, 9,5,9,5,7 out
8th roll, point 6,5,9,9,10,9,5,7 out
9th roll, 7,7,point 4,8,9,10,7 out
10th roll, point 6, 7 out
11th roll, 12,2,point 8,6,4,5,5,9,winner 8, point 6,2,8, winner 6, point 6,12,8,2, winner 6 point 10,7 out
12th roll, 3,3,point 8,6,2,4,3,7 out
13th roll, point 5, winner 5, point 4, winner 4,12,6,7 out
14th roll, point 5,9,8, winner 5, point 8,4,6,3, winner 8, point 6,8,5,9, winner 6, point 10,5,8, winner 10,7, point 5,11,8,6,6,9, 7 out
15th roll, point 9,10,8,4,7 out
16th roll, 3, point 8,5,4,10,4,7 out
17th roll, point 10,4,12,12,3,8,9, winner 10, point 9,8, winner 9, point 6,2,8,9,10,4,7 out
18th roll, point 4,3 6,6,5,8,7 out
Again, real play from Aria. Any Comment???
1st roll, 11, point 4,9,5,10,8,8,8,6 and 7 out
2nd roll, point 9, 9 winner, point 5, 4,3 5 winner, point 8,11 and 7 out
3rd roll, point 5, 9,2,6,5 winner, point 6,4,5 and 7 out
4th roll, 11, point 10,9, 10 winner, point 6, 12,3,4,3, 6 winner, point 6, 6 winner, point 6, 3,8,12 and 7 out
5th roll, 7, point 5, 9,6,4,11,9,11, winner 5, point 8, 10, 7 out
6th roll, point 10,3,8,9,9,7 out
7th roll, 3,6,4,9,11,4,6 winner, point 6, 9,5,9,5,7 out
8th roll, point 6,5,9,9,10,9,5,7 out
9th roll, 7,7,point 4,8,9,10,7 out
10th roll, point 6, 7 out
11th roll, 12,2,point 8,6,4,5,5,9,winner 8, point 6,2,8, winner 6, point 6,12,8,2, winner 6 point 10,7 out
12th roll, 3,3,point 8,6,2,4,3,7 out
13th roll, point 5, winner 5, point 4, winner 4,12,6,7 out
14th roll, point 5,9,8, winner 5, point 8,4,6,3, winner 8, point 6,8,5,9, winner 6, point 10,5,8, winner 10,7, point 5,11,8,6,6,9, 7 out
15th roll, point 9,10,8,4,7 out
16th roll, 3, point 8,5,4,10,4,7 out
17th roll, point 10,4,12,12,3,8,9, winner 10, point 9,8, winner 9, point 6,2,8,9,10,4,7 out
18th roll, point 4,3 6,6,5,8,7 out
Again, real play from Aria. Any Comment???
January 21st, 2014 at 12:09:13 AM
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In 18 rolls I would only have won the FIRE bet once.
Usual layout on FIRE = $3 per roll: $54
Winner of 4 points marked with $3 bet: $75
Approximate profit = $21
Seems like a good series to me :)
Usual layout on FIRE = $3 per roll: $54
Winner of 4 points marked with $3 bet: $75
Approximate profit = $21
Seems like a good series to me :)
“There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.” - Winston Churchill
January 21st, 2014 at 12:14:08 AM
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Pretty good hour but after each roll there was soooo much money left on the table.
January 21st, 2014 at 1:23:37 AM
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Looks like a decent table. I would have made a little money, not much. I tend to bet pass line plus 6 and 8.
January 21st, 2014 at 3:34:41 AM
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Biased Dice !!!!!!!!!!!!!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 21st, 2014 at 4:29:05 AM
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Quote: mdsThis is from me watching and playing for about 50ish minutes. I didn't play just watched and wrote these results down. just thought you would like to see real results.. If not, no need to look further.
1st roll, 11, point 4,9,5,10,8,8,8,6 and 7 out
2nd roll, point 9, 9 winner, point 5, 4,3 5 winner, point 8,11 and 7 out
3rd roll, point 5, 9,2,6,5 winner, point 6,4,5 and 7 out
4th roll, 11, point 10,9, 10 winner, point 6, 12,3,4,3, 6 winner, point 6, 6 winner, point 6, 3,8,12 and 7 out
5th roll, 7, point 5, 9,6,4,11,9,11, winner 5, point 8, 10, 7 out
6th roll, point 10,3,8,9,9,7 out
7th roll, 3,6,4,9,11,4,6 winner, point 6, 9,5,9,5,7 out
8th roll, point 6,5,9,9,10,9,5,7 out
9th roll, 7,7,point 4,8,9,10,7 out
10th roll, point 6, 7 out
11th roll, 12,2,point 8,6,4,5,5,9,winner 8, point 6,2,8, winner 6, point 6,12,8,2, winner 6 point 10,7 out
12th roll, 3,3,point 8,6,2,4,3,7 out
13th roll, point 5, winner 5, point 4, winner 4,12,6,7 out
14th roll, point 5,9,8, winner 5, point 8,4,6,3, winner 8, point 6,8,5,9, winner 6, point 10,5,8, winner 10,7, point 5,11,8,6,6,9, 7 out
15th roll, point 9,10,8,4,7 out
16th roll, 3, point 8,5,4,10,4,7 out
17th roll, point 10,4,12,12,3,8,9, winner 10, point 9,8, winner 9, point 6,2,8,9,10,4,7 out
18th roll, point 4,3 6,6,5,8,7 out
Again, real play from Aria. Any Comment???
Nice to see there are guys out there that do this in knowing every roll/shooter is completely random.
how you can optimize your time and make it quite profitable would be to also make a log of the shooters keeping notes of:
1) Position number
2) Dice setters yes/no
3) repeating numbers shooter has made
4) betting style (Inside numbers, Outside numbers. rolls lots of 2,3,12)
5) Does he roll 7's on come out
6) Dark side shooter.
7) regular player or newbie.
I do this at every visit keeping mental notes and it works. after a while you get to know the regular shooters and can cash in on some quick bets.
8 more years till retirement.
January 21st, 2014 at 6:33:28 AM
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Thanks for this. It is fun to project my strategy on real results. Choppy table. I broke ~even.
7-out, line away, pay the don't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcwAWi6dk
January 21st, 2014 at 8:41:53 AM
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Quote: mdsThis is from me watching and playing for about 50ish minutes. I didn't play just watched and wrote these results down. just thought you would like to see real results.. If not, no need to look further.
1st roll, 11, point 4,9,5,10,8,8,8,6 and 7 out
2nd roll, point 9, 9 winner, point 5, 4,3 5 winner, point 8,11 and 7 out
3rd roll, point 5, 9,2,6,5 winner, point 6,4,5 and 7 out
4th roll, 11, point 10,9, 10 winner, point 6, 12,3,4,3, 6 winner, point 6, 6 winner, point 6, 3,8,12 and 7 out
5th roll, 7, point 5, 9,6,4,11,9,11, winner 5, point 8, 10, 7 out
6th roll, point 10,3,8,9,9,7 out
7th roll, 3,6,4,9,11,4,6 winner, point 6, 9,5,9,5,7 out
8th roll, point 6,5,9,9,10,9,5,7 out
9th roll, 7,7,point 4,8,9,10,7 out
10th roll, point 6, 7 out
11th roll, 12,2,point 8,6,4,5,5,9,winner 8, point 6,2,8, winner 6, point 6,12,8,2, winner 6 point 10,7 out
12th roll, 3,3,point 8,6,2,4,3,7 out
13th roll, point 5, winner 5, point 4, winner 4,12,6,7 out
14th roll, point 5,9,8, winner 5, point 8,4,6,3, winner 8, point 6,8,5,9, winner 6, point 10,5,8, winner 10,7, point 5,11,8,6,6,9, 7 out
15th roll, point 9,10,8,4,7 out
16th roll, 3, point 8,5,4,10,4,7 out
17th roll, point 10,4,12,12,3,8,9, winner 10, point 9,8, winner 9, point 6,2,8,9,10,4,7 out
18th roll, point 4,3 6,6,5,8,7 out
Again, real play from Aria. Any Comment???
How about this strategy? Starting with the first roll and only playing every other roll? Would have been a big winner! Try that next time?
January 21st, 2014 at 9:31:36 AM
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Quote: PBguyLooks like a decent table. I would have made a little money, not much. I tend to bet pass line plus 6 and 8.
Choppy how?Quote: darthvaderThanks for this. It is fun to project my strategy on real results. Choppy table. I broke ~even.
and only broke even. too bad
must have added too many don't pass bets on a table that was hitting points
point winners were 51% (19/37) not the average of 41%
and only 3 shooters went out by the 6th roll, average = 50%
that does not happen every 18 shooters (about 1 in 265)
here is what my WinCraps spit out
shooter #1
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 4,9,5,10,8,8,8,6,7,out (9,#)
shooter #1 10 roll hand
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits
shooter #2
cor 9,9,win (2,#)
cor 5,4,3,5,win (4,#)
cor 8,11,7,out (3,#)
shooter #2 9 roll hand
3 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits
shooter #3
cor 5,9,2,6,5,win (5,#)
cor 6,4,5,7,out (4,#)
shooter #3 9 roll hand
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits
shooter #4
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 10,9,10,win (3,#)
cor 6,12,3,4,3,6,win (6,#)
cor 6,6,win (2,#)
cor 6,3,8,12,7,out (5,#)
shooter #4 17 roll hand
5 # COR
3 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
4,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #5
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 5,9,6,4,11,9,11,5,win (8,#)
cor 8,10,7,out (3,#)
shooter #5 12 roll hand
3 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
5 # Place Hits
shooter #6
cor 10,3,8,9,9,7,out (6,#)
shooter #6 6 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #7
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 6,4,9,11,4,6,win (6,#)
cor 6,9,5,9,5,7,out (6,#)
shooter #7 13 roll hand
3 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,2 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits
shooter #8
cor 6,5,9,9,10,9,5,7,out (8,#)
shooter #8 8 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
6 # Place Hits
shooter #9
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 4,8,9,10,7,out (5,#)
shooter #9 7 roll hand
3 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #10
cor 6,7,out (2,#)
shooter #10 2 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits
shooter #11
cor 12,crap out (1,#)
cor 2,crap out (1,#)
cor 8,6,4,5,5,9,8,win (7,#)
cor 6,2,8,6,win (4,#)
cor 6,12,8,2,6,win (5,#)
cor 10,7,out (2,#)
shooter #11 20 roll hand
6 # COR
3 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
3,3 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits
shooter #12
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 8,6,2,4,3,7,out (6,#)
shooter #12 8 roll hand
3 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,3 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits
shooter #13
cor 5,5,win (2,#)
cor 4,4,win (2,#)
cor 12,crap out (1,#)
cor 6,7,out (2,#)
shooter #13 7 roll hand
4 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
2,2 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits
shooter #14
cor 5,9,8,5,win (4,#)
cor 8,4,6,3,8,win (5,#)
cor 6,8,5,9,6,win (5,#)
cor 10,5,8,10,win (4,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 5,11,8,6,6,9,7,out (7,#)
shooter #14 26 roll hand
6 # COR
4 # Point Wins
4 # Fire Bets
5,1 shooter score: pass,miss
13 # Place Hits
shooter #15
cor 9,10,8,4,7,out (5,#)
shooter #15 5 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #16
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 8,5,4,10,4,7,out (6,#)
shooter #16 7 roll hand
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,2 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits
shooter #17
cor 10,4,12,12,3,8,9,10,win (8,#)
cor 9,8,9,win (3,#)
cor 6,2,8,9,10,4,7,out (7,#)
shooter #17 18 roll hand
3 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
8 # Place Hits
shooter #18
cor 4,3,6,6,5,8,7,out (7,#)
shooter #18 7 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits
shooter #19
cor
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 4,9,5,10,8,8,8,6,7,out (9,#)
shooter #1 10 roll hand
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits
shooter #2
cor 9,9,win (2,#)
cor 5,4,3,5,win (4,#)
cor 8,11,7,out (3,#)
shooter #2 9 roll hand
3 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits
shooter #3
cor 5,9,2,6,5,win (5,#)
cor 6,4,5,7,out (4,#)
shooter #3 9 roll hand
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits
shooter #4
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 10,9,10,win (3,#)
cor 6,12,3,4,3,6,win (6,#)
cor 6,6,win (2,#)
cor 6,3,8,12,7,out (5,#)
shooter #4 17 roll hand
5 # COR
3 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
4,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #5
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 5,9,6,4,11,9,11,5,win (8,#)
cor 8,10,7,out (3,#)
shooter #5 12 roll hand
3 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
5 # Place Hits
shooter #6
cor 10,3,8,9,9,7,out (6,#)
shooter #6 6 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #7
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 6,4,9,11,4,6,win (6,#)
cor 6,9,5,9,5,7,out (6,#)
shooter #7 13 roll hand
3 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,2 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits
shooter #8
cor 6,5,9,9,10,9,5,7,out (8,#)
shooter #8 8 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
6 # Place Hits
shooter #9
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 4,8,9,10,7,out (5,#)
shooter #9 7 roll hand
3 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #10
cor 6,7,out (2,#)
shooter #10 2 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits
shooter #11
cor 12,crap out (1,#)
cor 2,crap out (1,#)
cor 8,6,4,5,5,9,8,win (7,#)
cor 6,2,8,6,win (4,#)
cor 6,12,8,2,6,win (5,#)
cor 10,7,out (2,#)
shooter #11 20 roll hand
6 # COR
3 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
3,3 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits
shooter #12
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 8,6,2,4,3,7,out (6,#)
shooter #12 8 roll hand
3 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,3 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits
shooter #13
cor 5,5,win (2,#)
cor 4,4,win (2,#)
cor 12,crap out (1,#)
cor 6,7,out (2,#)
shooter #13 7 roll hand
4 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
2,2 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits
shooter #14
cor 5,9,8,5,win (4,#)
cor 8,4,6,3,8,win (5,#)
cor 6,8,5,9,6,win (5,#)
cor 10,5,8,10,win (4,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 5,11,8,6,6,9,7,out (7,#)
shooter #14 26 roll hand
6 # COR
4 # Point Wins
4 # Fire Bets
5,1 shooter score: pass,miss
13 # Place Hits
shooter #15
cor 9,10,8,4,7,out (5,#)
shooter #15 5 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits
shooter #16
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 8,5,4,10,4,7,out (6,#)
shooter #16 7 roll hand
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,2 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits
shooter #17
cor 10,4,12,12,3,8,9,10,win (8,#)
cor 9,8,9,win (3,#)
cor 6,2,8,9,10,4,7,out (7,#)
shooter #17 18 roll hand
3 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
8 # Place Hits
shooter #18
cor 4,3,6,6,5,8,7,out (7,#)
shooter #18 7 roll hand
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits
shooter #19
cor
191 rolls in 50ish minutes is FAST
I doubt it was that many in 50 minutes (maybe 80-90) unless there was just a few players making a few bets each.
I bought in for $1k, $25 pass and 345X odds only and a $5 Fire Bet each shooter.
my high bank was $2195
low:$920
net:+$935
another friend bought in for $1k and same pass with odds but $30 Place 6&8 (not the point)
and $5 Fire on each shooter too.
his high was $2375
low:$975
net:+$1,130
another friend bought in for $500 and $10 pass with odds but $12 Place 6&8 (not the point)
and $5 Fire on each shooter too.
his high was $1077
low:$460
net:+$473
we all did just fine on this choppy table making boring bets (about double bankroll)
any one that can't make money on this type of table
does not want to make money playing craps IMO
How big of a winner?Quote: mdsHow about this strategy?
Starting with the first roll and only playing every other roll?
Would have been a big winner!
Try that next time?
Better than my friends winnings?
and making what bets and how much?
sure
"Come on baby, light my fire"
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 21st, 2014 at 9:42:29 AM
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For some reason while reading this. the image of a smiling John Patrick appeared to me.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 21st, 2014 at 9:51:35 AM
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My strategy has a nominal dark bent, but will transition to the light once a sufficient # of points are made. So for me, it was choppy. Good for you if you won!
7-out, line away, pay the don't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcwAWi6dk
January 21st, 2014 at 12:21:00 PM
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are you the one that bets the don't pass, lay odds and switches to the pass after a shooter has hit exactly 2 point winners or is that 2 pass winners that may include the point or do you just go by the way you feel?Quote: darthvaderMy strategy has a nominal dark bent, but will transition to the light once a sufficient # of points are made. So for me, it was choppy. Good for you if you won!
I go with how I feel at times too.
I just got lucky (in WinCraps) as my friends did playing boring craps bets - except maybe the Fire Bet,
never making a decision to change to a different bet and see what happens.
But a friend in Reno in 1999 cashed his paycheck (I think he said $800)
played for about 5 hours at the coldest table he has ever seen (a dice dealer too)
he said he bet the don't pass, lay odds, a few dcome bets too and many Lay bets - the sucker bets - vig paid upfront
He cashed out $20,000+
and he did not call anyone to "come on down" and play too while this went down.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 21st, 2014 at 12:29:00 PM
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I nominally play DC with odds. If 2 point winners are made, however, I will switch to the light side with progressively higher PL and odds bets. So I am hoping for a monster roll, but use the dark to grind out a profit while I wait.
7-out, line away, pay the don't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcwAWi6dk
January 21st, 2014 at 2:46:38 PM
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OK.Quote: darthvaderI nominally play DC with odds.
If 2 point winners are made, however, I will switch to the light side with progressively higher PL and odds bets.
So I am hoping for a monster roll, but use the dark to grind out a profit while I wait.
dcome is different from the dpass
so says many dark players.
You lost some money over this right way winning session, not much, so grind a profit or a loss is cool.
but the OP thinks it was not a good winner, instead something about
"Starting with the first roll and only playing every other roll?"
as a musician, I can play every other note or chord (keyboard and guitar)
but as a craps dealer and player, I have no clue as what his suggestion suggests.
wait!
a 26 roll hand is not a monster in your book of craps?
shooter #14
cor 5,9,8,5,win (4,#)
cor 8,4,6,3,8,win (5,#)
cor 6,8,5,9,6,win (5,#)
cor 10,5,8,10,win (4,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 5,11,8,6,6,9,7,out (7,#)
shooter #14 26 roll hand
6 # COR
4 # Point Wins
4 # Fire Bets
5,1 shooter score: pass,miss
13 # Place Hits
many say it is.
I might agree.
more smaller monsters than larger monsters?
unless you play craps in CA casinos.
so how many rolls does a shooter have to make before a 7out
before you call his hand a monster?
maybe 30 rolls
or time needs to be included? sure it does.
is it 30 rolls over at least 45 minutes
the OP mentioned many dice rolls in less than 60 minutes of play
maybe 30 rolls in 10 minutes?
who like monsters?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/10693-what-is-your-definition-of-a-monster-roll-in-craps/
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 21st, 2014 at 4:51:29 PM
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You mock Darth Vader. You shall pay for your insolence.
7-out, line away, pay the don't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcwAWi6dk
January 21st, 2014 at 5:07:22 PM
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Hey 7Craps, would you mind doing me a favor and doing the same simulation but with the strategy I employ instead? I have lurked quite a long time in this forum, as I have really started getting into craps lately, in fact my mantra has been "where has this game been all my life?!"
I've gambled recreationally for 15+ years, and I try to limit myself to the games with the lowest house advantage, so I've stuck to BJ and baccarat for the most part. Always "scared" of craps, simply because I did not know the game well. Bit the bullet, found a table during a slow period, with nice dealers, and now I'm hooked. This has all transpired over the past few months.
I'd love for you to do the simulation doing a 3 point molly, which is the strategy I've found the most success with in my very short craps playing experience.
I'd like to compare it to your 1k buy in scenario with $25 pass line bets, with 345x odds. If you could do that I'd be most appreciative.
Also thanks to the Wizard and everyone that contributes to this forum, I've gone through all 43 pages in the last week!
I've gambled recreationally for 15+ years, and I try to limit myself to the games with the lowest house advantage, so I've stuck to BJ and baccarat for the most part. Always "scared" of craps, simply because I did not know the game well. Bit the bullet, found a table during a slow period, with nice dealers, and now I'm hooked. This has all transpired over the past few months.
I'd love for you to do the simulation doing a 3 point molly, which is the strategy I've found the most success with in my very short craps playing experience.
I'd like to compare it to your 1k buy in scenario with $25 pass line bets, with 345x odds. If you could do that I'd be most appreciative.
Also thanks to the Wizard and everyone that contributes to this forum, I've gone through all 43 pages in the last week!
January 21st, 2014 at 5:36:05 PM
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you can easily do that yourself in WinCraps as long as can run WinCraps. It is for Windows.Quote: ImbatmanI'd love for you to do the simulation doing a 3 point molly, which is the strategy I've found the most success with in my very short craps playing experience.
I'd like to compare it to your 1k buy in scenario with $25 pass line bets, with 345x odds. If you could do that I'd be most appreciative.
It lets you roll the dice, any of the 36 permutations even.
come to think of it, JB could make the Wizard's Craps game do that.
that would place it to the front of the line for most.
More of a roller coaster ride with 3PtMolly working and a much higher avg bet than just Pass with odds.
so your $1k bankroll could see ruin much faster.
high: $1650
low: $125 on the rail = almost went all-in
that normally takes the fun away for most Craps players
end: $1125 for a $125 profit
$11,400 total wagered
low: $125 on the rail = almost went all-in
that normally takes the fun away for most Craps players
end: $1125 for a $125 profit
$11,400 total wagered
Good Luck
see you at the tables
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 21st, 2014 at 5:49:58 PM
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Thank you sir. I have a Mac so doesn't appear I have access -- also not sure if Wincraps is software?
Seems like the 3pt molly didn't fare too well, in fact it wasn't even very close. Hmmm. Maybe next session I'll move to pass with odds, place 6 and 8 and maybe just one Come bet assuming the point is 6 or 8, no Come bet if point is 4,5,9 or 10.
Great thing about craps is it seems like you can constantly tinker with strategies until you find one (or ten) that do the trick.
Seems like the 3pt molly didn't fare too well, in fact it wasn't even very close. Hmmm. Maybe next session I'll move to pass with odds, place 6 and 8 and maybe just one Come bet assuming the point is 6 or 8, no Come bet if point is 4,5,9 or 10.
Great thing about craps is it seems like you can constantly tinker with strategies until you find one (or ten) that do the trick.
January 21st, 2014 at 6:26:51 PM
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If I crunched these numbers right, the way I usually play, I would have ended up $293 ahead if I played 10 pass and 30 odds, $192 ahead with 10 pass and 20 odds, or $288 ahead with 15 pass and 30 odds.
Then again, the way I usually play, I show up right after the 5 point was made in the fifth roll:
8 miss, 10 miss, craps 3, 6 make, 6 miss, 6 miss, natural 7, natural 7, 4 miss, 6 miss, craps 12, craps 2 - that's $204 lost with 10 & 30 betting.
Then again, the way I usually play, I show up right after the 5 point was made in the fifth roll:
8 miss, 10 miss, craps 3, 6 make, 6 miss, 6 miss, natural 7, natural 7, 4 miss, 6 miss, craps 12, craps 2 - that's $204 lost with 10 & 30 betting.
January 22nd, 2014 at 12:09:14 PM
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Windows softwareQuote: ImbatmanI have a Mac so doesn't appear I have access -- also not sure if Wincraps is software?
free to have and play and I think everything but high speed simulations
I have 2 older WinXP laptops and one Win2000 (yep) I use for older software.
WinCraps is on all of them
You could go to a local computer shop and get a basic WinXP laptop for around $25
It would be the Craps computer
I see them also all over craigslist or ebay
really?Quote: ImbatmanSeems like the 3pt molly didn't fare too well, in fact it wasn't even very close. Hmmm.
I see it won $125 over 191 dice rolls and 18 shooters.
sure not as much as the 3 systems I showed, but a win is a win.
I was just making a point that playing Craps with no-brainer type bets, Fire Bet, Pass Line and Odds only
(an AlanM method, except I think he would use 135X odds (or 125X) instead of always 345X odds)
(or even adding the Place6&8 and flat betting them)
can do just fine in sessions where points are winning more than expectation.
No thinking of when to press or pull or switch or scream etc.
Many play this way.
also, you did better than darthvader who says he likes to grind out profits and losses while waiting for a monster roll.
to each their own
Maybe next session you do just that and lose $800Quote: ImbatmanMaybe next session I'll move to pass with odds, place 6 and 8 and maybe just one Come bet assuming the point is 6 or 8, no Come bet if point is 4,5,9 or 10.
but would have made money with 3PointMolly
in the end, it (how you play the game) really depends on why you play the game.
should be for fun first
knowing that playing the "right way" bets
the expectation is to lose more of the bets you make than you win
consider that in having fun
Good Luck
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 22nd, 2014 at 4:25:54 PM
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7Craps, are you saying that the modified strategy I threw out there -- that you did an actual Wincraps simulation on it and it lost $800? Or did you just throw that out just as an example?
If Wincraps shows an $800 loss, I'm struggling to understand why, as it seems on the surface to me to be a strategy "in the middle" of the ones you have done simulations on, a combination of the two, and I guess I would have expected results to have fallen in the middle? Maybe a $400 to $500 profit?
I do play this game for fun, but obviously I'm trying to hone my play to find a balance --- I want to play the lowest house odds, but also want to maximize "action". So just playing Pass Line with say triple odds is a bit boring to me, so then I tried these variations:
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds plus place 6 and 8
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds place sister number
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds place all inside
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds buy 4 and 10
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds + 2 Come Bets with Double/Triple odds
I'm scratching my head to figure out why the approach of Pass Line + 345x odds, place 6 and 8 with 1 come bet and odds assuming point is 6 or 8, no come bet if alternate number --- why didn't that option do reasonably as well as the other strategies you did a simulation on?
This is very overwhelming.
It seems to me that all strategies I noted are decent options correct? I mean none should stand out as being too much different from each other (as it relates to minimizing HA as much as possible) yet the results on this 18 shooter roll are vastly different.
Thanks again for your input, I appreciate the time you put in to sharing what you have shared.
Oh and one last question -- how do you normally play??!
If Wincraps shows an $800 loss, I'm struggling to understand why, as it seems on the surface to me to be a strategy "in the middle" of the ones you have done simulations on, a combination of the two, and I guess I would have expected results to have fallen in the middle? Maybe a $400 to $500 profit?
I do play this game for fun, but obviously I'm trying to hone my play to find a balance --- I want to play the lowest house odds, but also want to maximize "action". So just playing Pass Line with say triple odds is a bit boring to me, so then I tried these variations:
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds plus place 6 and 8
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds place sister number
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds place all inside
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds buy 4 and 10
Pass Line + Double/Triple Odds + 2 Come Bets with Double/Triple odds
I'm scratching my head to figure out why the approach of Pass Line + 345x odds, place 6 and 8 with 1 come bet and odds assuming point is 6 or 8, no come bet if alternate number --- why didn't that option do reasonably as well as the other strategies you did a simulation on?
This is very overwhelming.
It seems to me that all strategies I noted are decent options correct? I mean none should stand out as being too much different from each other (as it relates to minimizing HA as much as possible) yet the results on this 18 shooter roll are vastly different.
Thanks again for your input, I appreciate the time you put in to sharing what you have shared.
Oh and one last question -- how do you normally play??!
January 22nd, 2014 at 5:00:41 PM
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It's how much you are affected by win or loss is important. BS is just that, some better some worth, it's whether you go on tilt and loose more than you can afford and can walk away with the loot makes a difference.
January 22nd, 2014 at 5:02:41 PM
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yes, that was just an example.Quote: Imbatman7Craps, are you saying that the modified strategy I threw out there -- that you did an actual WinCraps simulation on it and it lost $800? Or did you just throw that out just as an example?
I did not run any more systems for that dice roll set in WC.
I have moved on to other projects of interest.
I figured that would be more fun for you or someone else to do
for your other examples, that is why WinCraps Pro was made.
It was a major upgrade and up to 8 players can play at one time, instead of running 8 different simulations
over the same dice rolls.
low house edge bets and lots of action and a long time at the table
is a personal balancing act.
different but close systems can do almost anything in a very short session
as is this 191 dice roll session
I do not mind helping with programming WinCraps, others helped me at first,
but I quickly lose interest in running many sims for the same conditions
That is why I say if you really want to know how some methods do better than others,
without getting too much into expected value and variance,
I prefer that route, find at any cost (they are inexpensive) a cheap basic WindowsXP laptop, download WinCraps and have at it.
the path to discovery
can also be fun
as to how I play.
I go mainly with betting the odds my friends do not want to max out on, buying don't bets a darksider does not want on a number,
but have been known to bet on any bet at any time.
For me, one bet is fun as long as the dice stay on the table.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 22nd, 2014 at 5:43:42 PM
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It was a 50 minute session. During the 50 minutes there were 6 players at any given time. As I said I didn't play. Just documented the rolls. I played later. It was a good not great hour for the players. Looks like if you only played ever other roll you would have done much better. I think.( But who does that)
January 22nd, 2014 at 5:55:00 PM
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my 3 systems of play my friends and I actuallyQuote: mdsIt was a good not great hour for the players.
use in a casino easily doubled our starting bankrolls. we would have left after that and did something else.
over those 18 shooters or "Hands"
and you call that only good. I call it GREAT to double a bankroll!!
too bad
the heartbeat of Craps is the roll.Quote: mdsLooks like if you only played ever other roll you would have done much better. I think.( But who does that)
of a pair of dice.
You really mean to say "Hand", it has been called that for hundreds of years,
the length of a shooters hand
but I guess you want to be different like FrankS calling a shooter's Hand as a turn.
Why is it called a Hand?
the number of rolls from the first come out roll to the shooters 7out
Because that is what you use to roll the dice.
Not two hands.
If the rules were a shooter had to use his foot to roll the dice
we would be calling it
the length of a shooter's foot
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 24th, 2014 at 11:52:42 AM
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Quote: ImbatmanThank you sir. I have a Mac so doesn't appear I have access -- also not sure if Wincraps is software?
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CrossOver works with WinCraps for a mac.
http://www.codeweavers.com
Also, you can buy windows 7 for about $60 and use bootcamp (which is free and easy).
I have done both for wincraps.
