Craps last night.
January 19th, 2014 at 8:10:36 AM
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Forgive me if maybe I should post this in "Betting systems" but could not understand the guy betting next to me last night.
Guy played $25 on the field & $25 on come bet.
number gets rolled and come goes to the number but the guy takes no odds on his come bet.
He continued to play both field and come bets, but what is the concept to bet this way. The shooter was hot and rolled many repeating numbers and hard ways making the table nothing but cash, roll after roll. At one point I had my place bets pressed to more than $1000 across all the table and just shy of $4000 in my rack. The shooter finally 7'd out shortly after making 4 points for the fire bet giving me an additional $800.00 from my hedge.
The field / come shooter suffered just as bad as a darkside player making profit from the hot roller, maybe $300 but what a waste I think. He could have made quite a small fortune if he placed odds on the come bets.
The way it looked was he took his field bet profit and placed it on the come for a free bet maybe?
a few times he hit 11 paying both bets, or 2/12 to pay double but lose the come bet?
Why don't everyone just play the same way betting $160 across and then playing $25/come bet continuously. I find that many point 7 shooters will chomp down my bank roll but $160 pressing 1 unit after each win clearly brings me back up along with hedging the fire bet after 4th point should be "Standard" way of play at the $25.00 table.
any thoughts?
Guy played $25 on the field & $25 on come bet.
number gets rolled and come goes to the number but the guy takes no odds on his come bet.
He continued to play both field and come bets, but what is the concept to bet this way. The shooter was hot and rolled many repeating numbers and hard ways making the table nothing but cash, roll after roll. At one point I had my place bets pressed to more than $1000 across all the table and just shy of $4000 in my rack. The shooter finally 7'd out shortly after making 4 points for the fire bet giving me an additional $800.00 from my hedge.
The field / come shooter suffered just as bad as a darkside player making profit from the hot roller, maybe $300 but what a waste I think. He could have made quite a small fortune if he placed odds on the come bets.
The way it looked was he took his field bet profit and placed it on the come for a free bet maybe?
a few times he hit 11 paying both bets, or 2/12 to pay double but lose the come bet?
Why don't everyone just play the same way betting $160 across and then playing $25/come bet continuously. I find that many point 7 shooters will chomp down my bank roll but $160 pressing 1 unit after each win clearly brings me back up along with hedging the fire bet after 4th point should be "Standard" way of play at the $25.00 table.
any thoughts?
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January 19th, 2014 at 8:21:37 AM
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I don't think it was a "system" as much as a newbie's strategy.
And "Newbie" could also be someone who has been playing a long time but still doesn't understand half the bets on a craps table.
Odds bets are the best bet available, but since there isn't any printing on the felt about them, they can be overlooked by a newbie - particularly the come odds.
And "Newbie" could also be someone who has been playing a long time but still doesn't understand half the bets on a craps table.
Odds bets are the best bet available, but since there isn't any printing on the felt about them, they can be overlooked by a newbie - particularly the come odds.
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January 19th, 2014 at 8:30:26 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI don't think it was a "system" as much as a newbie's strategy.
And "Newbie" could also be someone who has been playing a long time but still doesn't understand half the bets on a craps table.
Odds bets are the best bet available, but since there isn't any printing on the felt about them, they can be overlooked by a newbie - particularly the come odds.
Thank you for the fast reply, I thought maybe I was missing on something.
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January 19th, 2014 at 8:55:19 AM
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The only thing I can think of is the Come hedges the Seven for the Field Bet such that the Seven is an overall Push, as is the Three. The Two and Twelve pay either 3x/2x or 2x/2x which is 2x/1x or 1x/1x after the CO loses, and the Yo pays both for a win on each.
If the Four/Nine/Ten is established for the Come, then that is a Field winner and a Seven after any of those numbers prior to a repeat breaks even on the overall play.
If a Five/Six/Eight is established for the Come, then the Field loses, but the number could repeat before a Seven and the overall play is then a Push.
The fatal flaw in this system is that the Five/Six/Eight will be established for the Come bet far more often than the Four/Nine/Ten which will generate many more opportunities to lose on both bets than the player will have to win on both bets, also, the player is negating the most frequent winner (Seven) on the Come bet.
I might break this down later, but I could see where it would make sense to someone fundamentally ignorant of the Odds, or maybe the person just likes to play this way, who knows? In any event, it's mathematically better than Continuous Come with a Continuous Crap Check.
If the Four/Nine/Ten is established for the Come, then that is a Field winner and a Seven after any of those numbers prior to a repeat breaks even on the overall play.
If a Five/Six/Eight is established for the Come, then the Field loses, but the number could repeat before a Seven and the overall play is then a Push.
The fatal flaw in this system is that the Five/Six/Eight will be established for the Come bet far more often than the Four/Nine/Ten which will generate many more opportunities to lose on both bets than the player will have to win on both bets, also, the player is negating the most frequent winner (Seven) on the Come bet.
I might break this down later, but I could see where it would make sense to someone fundamentally ignorant of the Odds, or maybe the person just likes to play this way, who knows? In any event, it's mathematically better than Continuous Come with a Continuous Crap Check.
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January 19th, 2014 at 9:05:21 AM
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Quote: Mission146The only thing I can think of is the Come hedges the Seven for the Field Bet such that the Seven is an overall Push, as is the Three. The Two and Twelve pay either 3x/2x or 2x/2x which is 2x/1x or 1x/1x after the CO loses, and the Yo pays both for a win on each.
If the Four/Nine/Ten is established for the Come, then that is a Field winner and a Seven after any of those numbers prior to a repeat breaks even on the overall play.
If a Five/Six/Eight is established for the Come, then the Field loses, but the number could repeat before a Seven and the overall play is then a Push.
The fatal flaw in this system is that the Five/Six/Eight will be established for the Come bet far more often than the Four/Nine/Ten which will generate many more opportunities to lose on both bets than the player will have to win on both bets, also, the player is negating the most frequent winner (Seven) on the Come bet.
I might break this down later, but I could see where it would make sense to someone fundamentally ignorant of the Odds, or maybe the person just likes to play this way, who knows? In any event, it's mathematically better than Continuous Come with a Continuous Crap Check.
Even though, he made profit, he was in the middle of a "hot roller" what would have happened if he did run into the point/7 shooters. True, he does lose both bets when 5-6-8 get rolled leaving him high and dry. So many ways to play craps, starting to show signs of fatigue even though you say it's better, i'm staying with my old fashioned ways of play.
Maybe he could be on to something that may carry over for a long term, I know he wasn't a newbie because he is there most weekends.
Thank you for your insight on this mission.
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January 19th, 2014 at 9:08:31 AM
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I never said it was better, I think the way he was playing sucks because he was putting an equal amount on the Field as the Come and the Field is a single-roll bet with a much higher House Edge. I was just speculating as to his motivation to play that way...
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January 19th, 2014 at 9:21:08 AM
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My question would be WHERE WAS HIS DEALER?
Atleast the first time a Come Bet travelled, the Dealer should have suggested an odds bet to him.
Unless the response was "I never do odds" the Dealer should have reminded him a few more times as well before he shut up.
Atleast the first time a Come Bet travelled, the Dealer should have suggested an odds bet to him.
Unless the response was "I never do odds" the Dealer should have reminded him a few more times as well before he shut up.
January 19th, 2014 at 9:29:15 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffMy question would be WHERE WAS HIS DEALER?
Atleast the first time a Come Bet travelled, the Dealer should have suggested an odds bet to him.
Unless the response was "I never do odds" the Dealer should have reminded him a few more times as well before he shut up.
Dealer did what he did correct and he kept saying no odds, focusing more on the new field/come. Lucky for him the shooter kept repeating 6's and 9's steady. like I said, while he made $25 from his come, I pressed my 6 from $30 to $300 pretty quick and continuously threw in $10 for $150 every time the 9 came in. next time i'm pressing to the max. Could have made over 10k with the shooter rolling more than 1 hr making only 4 points.
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January 19th, 2014 at 10:46:08 AM
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I have fooled with this betting 'system' in WinCraps.
It is a way to 'protect' your CB/PL bet against a come out craps, and you get paid on some numbers to boot, and the ones you don't are 'good' point numbers.
$25 PL + $25 Field bet
On the come out roll you get the following results (assume field pays 3x on the 12)
5 = -25 and 25 on 5
6 = -25 and 25 on 6
8 = -25 and 25 on 8
3 = push
7 = push
2 = +$25
4 = +25 and 25 on 4
9 = +25 and 25 on 9
10 = +25 and 25 on 10
11 = +50
12 = +50
3 numbers you lose $25, but you have a chance to win $25 if the 5,6,or 8 rolls again as the point. (14 of the 36 combinations)
2 numbers you push (win 25 and lose 25). (8 of the 36 combinations)
4 numbers you win $25, plus you have a chance to win $25 if the 4,9, 04 10 rolls again. (11 of the 36 combinations)
2 numbers you win $50 on the roll. (3 of the 36 combinations)
As noted, it is not really an effective way to bet. You will get to play for a while, especially on a choppy table, but you will never win big, and will instead just see a slow drain.
It is a way to 'protect' your CB/PL bet against a come out craps, and you get paid on some numbers to boot, and the ones you don't are 'good' point numbers.
$25 PL + $25 Field bet
On the come out roll you get the following results (assume field pays 3x on the 12)
5 = -25 and 25 on 5
6 = -25 and 25 on 6
8 = -25 and 25 on 8
3 = push
7 = push
2 = +$25
4 = +25 and 25 on 4
9 = +25 and 25 on 9
10 = +25 and 25 on 10
11 = +50
12 = +50
3 numbers you lose $25, but you have a chance to win $25 if the 5,6,or 8 rolls again as the point. (14 of the 36 combinations)
2 numbers you push (win 25 and lose 25). (8 of the 36 combinations)
4 numbers you win $25, plus you have a chance to win $25 if the 4,9, 04 10 rolls again. (11 of the 36 combinations)
2 numbers you win $50 on the roll. (3 of the 36 combinations)
As noted, it is not really an effective way to bet. You will get to play for a while, especially on a choppy table, but you will never win big, and will instead just see a slow drain.
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January 19th, 2014 at 11:11:51 AM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsI have fooled with this betting 'system' in WinCraps.
It is a way to 'protect' your CB/PL bet against a come out craps, and you get paid on some numbers to boot, and the ones you don't are 'good' point numbers.
$25 PL + $25 Field bet
On the come out roll you get the following results (assume field pays 3x on the 12)
5 = -25 and 25 on 5
6 = -25 and 25 on 6
8 = -25 and 25 on 8
3 = push
7 = push
2 = +$25
4 = +25 and 25 on 4
9 = +25 and 25 on 9
10 = +25 and 25 on 10
11 = +50
12 = +50
3 numbers you lose $25, but you have a chance to win $25 if the 5,6,or 8 rolls again as the point. (14 of the 36 combinations)
2 numbers you push (win 25 and lose 25). (8 of the 36 combinations)
4 numbers you win $25, plus you have a chance to win $25 if the 4,9, 04 10 rolls again. (11 of the 36 combinations)
2 numbers you win $50 on the roll. (3 of the 36 combinations)
As noted, it is not really an effective way to bet. You will get to play for a while, especially on a choppy table, but you will never win big, and will instead just see a slow drain.
definitely made me curious. Thank you for this information.
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January 20th, 2014 at 4:06:34 AM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsI have fooled with this betting 'system' in WinCraps.
How long have you had Wincraps? [just curious]
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January 20th, 2014 at 4:28:01 AM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsI have fooled with this betting 'system' in WinCraps.
It is a way to 'protect' your CB/PL bet against a come out craps, and you get paid on some numbers to boot, and the ones you don't are 'good' point numbers.
$25 PL + $25 Field bet
On the come out roll you get the following results (assume field pays 3x on the 12)
5 = -25 and 25 on 5
6 = -25 and 25 on 6 ... This number counts..... You get ZERO.
8 = -25 and 25 on 8 ... This number counts..... You get ZERO.
3 = push
7 = push .... ... This number counts..... You get ZERO.
2 = +$25
4 = +25 and 25 on 4
9 = +25 and 25 on 9
10 = +25 and 25 on 10
11 = +50
12 = +50
January 20th, 2014 at 5:41:58 AM
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Flea,
Not sure what your point is. Why does the 6 and 8 count, but not the 5? Can you explain it a bit more?
You also dropped my comments about how this 'system' isn't all that great. It evens out the variance, but just means you bleed to death a bit slower. The only way this works is when A LOT of outside numbers (2-4 & 9-12) keep showing up.
The OP asked what the bettor was thinking, and I am showing the OP why someone would think it was a way to play.
Not sure what your point is. Why does the 6 and 8 count, but not the 5? Can you explain it a bit more?
You also dropped my comments about how this 'system' isn't all that great. It evens out the variance, but just means you bleed to death a bit slower. The only way this works is when A LOT of outside numbers (2-4 & 9-12) keep showing up.
The OP asked what the bettor was thinking, and I am showing the OP why someone would think it was a way to play.
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January 20th, 2014 at 5:50:41 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitHow long have you had Wincraps? [just curious]
I've had it about 3 years I guess.
It is depressing software though. You can do so much with it, and run 1,000s of games in a couple of minutes. What you quickly learn is, no matter how you bet, you will lose the majority of the time.
That leaves us Dusty Springfield................... "wishing and hoping, hoping and wishing"
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January 20th, 2014 at 6:07:07 AM
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>I've had it about 3 years
thanks, I couldnt remember you talking about it, but "remember" is the key word here [g]
It can depress a guy who was "wishing and hoping". I'm often surprised how many rolls it takes to show some scheme was going down the tubes, though.
thanks, I couldnt remember you talking about it, but "remember" is the key word here [g]
It can depress a guy who was "wishing and hoping". I'm often surprised how many rolls it takes to show some scheme was going down the tubes, though.
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January 20th, 2014 at 6:08:25 AM
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> Why does the 6 and 8 count, ... Can you explain it a bit more?
The Six, Eight and Seven are the three most likely numbers to be rolled.... and he will not be making money with them.
>but just means you bleed to death a bit slower.
Yes, bleed to death but not necessarily slower since there is no guarantee that there will some ultimate session wherein the most desired numbers actually turn up despite their being the least likely numbers to be rolled. Not impossible, just least likely to happen.
>The only way this works is when A LOT of outside numbers (2-4 & 9-12) keep showing up.
Yeah. When is that?
This system hedges his most likely numbers into unimpressive figures and his least likely numbers into even less likely figures.
He is making bets but not accepting the risks. He is hedging away the profits from the fairly likely SIX and EIGHT but will profit from the less likely FIELD numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 12. As usual with a hedge, he is buying peace of mind and too great a price.
The Six, Eight and Seven are the three most likely numbers to be rolled.... and he will not be making money with them.
>but just means you bleed to death a bit slower.
Yes, bleed to death but not necessarily slower since there is no guarantee that there will some ultimate session wherein the most desired numbers actually turn up despite their being the least likely numbers to be rolled. Not impossible, just least likely to happen.
>The only way this works is when A LOT of outside numbers (2-4 & 9-12) keep showing up.
Yeah. When is that?
This system hedges his most likely numbers into unimpressive figures and his least likely numbers into even less likely figures.
He is making bets but not accepting the risks. He is hedging away the profits from the fairly likely SIX and EIGHT but will profit from the less likely FIELD numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, 12. As usual with a hedge, he is buying peace of mind and too great a price.
January 20th, 2014 at 7:13:34 AM
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Craps reminds me playing lottery. You root for a huge win with as little money as possible.
January 20th, 2014 at 7:27:35 AM
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Why bet the field when you can make twice as much by placing 9, 10 and betting 3-way craps.
January 20th, 2014 at 7:27:59 AM
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I think we ALL want that at ANY game, but in reality a good "win" at craps is three times your buy-in. If it turns out to be a very choppy table, just getting out may be a victory.Quote: Dicenor33Craps reminds me playing lottery. You root for a huge win with as little money as possible.
January 20th, 2014 at 8:48:58 AM
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Updated Jan. 20th, 2014
This strategy so-called sucks.
I went to the casino and thought i'd be curious and try the field/come method using $25.00 chips.
All in all I rolled approx 20 numbers and made 3 points to the fire. I recall rolling 9, 3 times back to back and also 2 more times throughout the roll. Had I just placed the 9 for $25 and pressed it to $150 profit for every $10, also would have had $25 on the 10 that was rolled 6 times throughout my roll and could have easily made $100 for $2 for 3 of those rolls.
I made out with a small profit this morning but should have made at least $1000.00 in profit from multiple repeating numbers. Boy what a waste of time this strategy is. Unless someone may have something to add to the field/come betting, I'm placing this in the backburner.
Thank you everyone for your efforts in the testing.
This strategy so-called sucks.
I went to the casino and thought i'd be curious and try the field/come method using $25.00 chips.
All in all I rolled approx 20 numbers and made 3 points to the fire. I recall rolling 9, 3 times back to back and also 2 more times throughout the roll. Had I just placed the 9 for $25 and pressed it to $150 profit for every $10, also would have had $25 on the 10 that was rolled 6 times throughout my roll and could have easily made $100 for $2 for 3 of those rolls.
I made out with a small profit this morning but should have made at least $1000.00 in profit from multiple repeating numbers. Boy what a waste of time this strategy is. Unless someone may have something to add to the field/come betting, I'm placing this in the backburner.
Thank you everyone for your efforts in the testing.
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January 20th, 2014 at 9:16:09 AM
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This 'system' makes 2 bets.
The first bet (PL/CB) has a 1.414% HE since you are taking no odds.
The Field bet is either 5.56% (2x on 2&12), or 2.78% (2x on 2, 3x on 12)
5.56% is a huge HE to be betting $25 on EVERY roll. The house will get your money on that bet.
My apologies if I was not clear on how bad this 'system' is. I'm glad you didn't lose money, but sorry you missed an opportunity to make more.
And yes, don't put this on the backburner. BURY IT. IT is like every other hedging system. They don't work, just lead to faster losses.
The first bet (PL/CB) has a 1.414% HE since you are taking no odds.
The Field bet is either 5.56% (2x on 2&12), or 2.78% (2x on 2, 3x on 12)
5.56% is a huge HE to be betting $25 on EVERY roll. The house will get your money on that bet.
My apologies if I was not clear on how bad this 'system' is. I'm glad you didn't lose money, but sorry you missed an opportunity to make more.
And yes, don't put this on the backburner. BURY IT. IT is like every other hedging system. They don't work, just lead to faster losses.
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January 20th, 2014 at 9:56:51 AM
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Quote: odiousgambit>I've had it about 3 years
thanks, I couldnt remember you talking about it, but "remember" is the key word here [g]
It can depress a guy who was "wishing and hoping". I'm often surprised how many rolls it takes to show some scheme was going down the tubes, though.
We all know that no system can win. Over the long haul, the math will almost always wear us down and beat us. So I don't need to run Wincraps to see how bad the beat down will be.
What I do is test different strategies for 100 shooter scenarios (anywhere from 4 to 8 hours of simulated play which is my likely times). I then run that sim for 1,000 times and look to see how many winning sessions I get in those 1,000 runs. The size of the win(s) is also important. I will also vary the size of the Bankroll and then rerun the same roll sequence to see how starting BR affects the overall result. (A larger bankroll sometimes allows a session that previously busted to recover, and end up a winner. Of course, a larger bankroll also means larger losses when you do bust. Still a net loser.)
It is interesting to see. I have had some strategies that actually produced quite well, but they needed a 5K bankroll. I had one strategy that for quite a few runs had more winning than losing sessions, but it just turned out to be the roll sequences that happened to run. A few more 1,000 run sims finally showed ugly losses.
My current belief is the best system is to place a few Very large Place 6/8 bets, and Buy 4/10 if you can get Vig on win.
When one of the bets wins, they all come down, and then you play normal craps play with the funds you are a head.
This puts big money at risk for the least number of rolls, hence, less exposure. And you have the smaller amounts at risk for more of the rolls.
It just requires a huge bankroll, and nerves of steel. I have the nerve, but not the bankroll.
I understand the math says just play CB and full odds, or DC, and full odds, but these 2 extremes either require No points to be made, or lots of points to be made. Neither happens consistently, so even this strategy is going to lose over time.
Not to pick on teddys (I don't think he minds), but he was playing the CB and odds strategy for an extended period and he got smoked.
We were on the same table one night, and I made $1,000 playing place and buy bets, and he lost on the CB w/odds strategy.
But, if the table had had a bunch of PSO rolls, I would have been destroyed, and teddys would have come out with less of a loss.
In the end, I have decided for me, that what matters most is what numbers roll when your bets are out. So, I play the way I feel I can maximize my win for that table, but I try to avoid the really bad high HE bets.
I bust out fairly often, because I have too small of a bankroll, but I have won over 2Gs on a single shooter, and over 4Gs in a single session quite a few times.
Overall, I am losing due to the frequent bust outs, but the next session may be the one where I win my $10K goal, and that would put me back to the positive lifetime.
And yes, I am playing the lottery.
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January 20th, 2014 at 1:53:39 PM
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Why do we care how someone was betting? Why rant about the way an individual chooses to bet? Why lament about the lost opportunities of our selves not betting the max etc.. when that roller was rolling? This is simply ranting. I have found no one person that was absolutely perfect @ betting or rolling. As far as I see it yes you can make every attempt to control the dice however, all of the envoronmental factors come into play as much as your attempt @ controlling the dice. So there is no Iron Clad guarantee of what will be rolled or what you will win or bet. I spent years playing the game & studying it. I am a teacher by trade & spent my days @ work studying, reseraching & actually trying out strategies & would engage my students in on it for the math, social, interaction. I used it as a reward system for my students once all work was complete & gone over a second time. It was definatley a motivator. I can honestly tell you that often times my students came up with strategies that were what seemed to be Iron Clad but.... as we know I am still poor & the casinos are all still operating. So ......... allow people to bet as they want, roll as they want & to just be individual. Yes I believe that there are lessons learned in observiing others however, ranting about the way they done something is wrong.I have seen random rollers forst tiem betters walk up & win huge & roll like a champ & I've watched seasoned players lose time over time & continue to toss the money out there & come back for more abuse but thats their peragotive. I am no one to rant about what they done.
January 22nd, 2014 at 3:05:10 AM
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Quote: corvetteracingWhy rant about the way an individual chooses to bet? ...This is simply ranting.
This thread is a little different, most of the time when I see people get battered is when they claim a betting system will beat the house.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 22nd, 2014 at 3:31:10 AM
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You could have made a million dollars of you were only betting more, why so foolish why didn't you bet more money? Why didn't you buy more stock? or bet more money on the football game?Quote: CrapsGenious
The field / come shooter suffered just as bad as a darkside player making profit from the hot roller, maybe $300 but what a waste I think. He could have made quite a small fortune if he placed odds on the come bets.
Why do you Craps players always worry , care or even notice other players? I don't get it. Every craps player always thinks he is the smartest craps player around. Take note to your name. The best way to play craps is not to play at all unless the casinos is offering something. If you play for fun wonderful, so is everyone else at the table.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 22nd, 2014 at 6:00:49 AM
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I have learned never to be concerned with how another player bets. What he does with his money is... his money, and his decision.
In fact, I hate it when another player tells the shooter what to bet because it can turn a winning "shooter" into a loser.
Case in point: the shooter has no odds on his passline bet, and he is rolling number after number and even point after point. And someone says "put some odds behind your passline." And bam... the good times end.
Leave it alone. Don't mess with karma. The world is in balance, and don't unbalance it by opening your mouth.
Nah... I'm not superstitious.
In fact, I hate it when another player tells the shooter what to bet because it can turn a winning "shooter" into a loser.
Case in point: the shooter has no odds on his passline bet, and he is rolling number after number and even point after point. And someone says "put some odds behind your passline." And bam... the good times end.
Leave it alone. Don't mess with karma. The world is in balance, and don't unbalance it by opening your mouth.
Nah... I'm not superstitious.
January 23rd, 2014 at 4:17:07 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI have learned never to be concerned with how another player bets. What he does with his money is... his money, and his decision.
In fact, I hate it when another player tells the shooter what to bet because it can turn a winning "shooter" into a loser.
Case in point: the shooter has no odds on his passline bet, and he is rolling number after number and even point after point. And someone says "put some odds behind your passline." And bam... the good times end.
Leave it alone. Don't mess with karma. The world is in balance, and don't unbalance it by opening your mouth.
Nah... I'm not superstitious.
I wasn't telling anyone how to shoot or what to bet, I just thought I'd bet the similar way the other shooter was betting and the results incurred profit but not nearly enough as if just did my usual Place / Come / Down with max odds. but you are very correct that no one should tell others what to do or how to play. I notice many of the craps dealers like to make this "suggestions"
8 more years till retirement.
