AlanMendelson
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December 8th, 2013 at 3:39:40 PM permalink
On Wednesday of last week, I checked my Great Gift Wrap Up account online and discovered extra "bonus points" equivalent for $1,500 of Shell gas cards were added to my account, and I decided to make a quick and unexpected drive up to Caesars to get the gas cards... and play a little craps.

I didn't have much money budgeted for craps so I used my "craps on a budget" system of passline (no odds) plus max firebet. I was at a $25 table so I also had a $5 horn high ace deuce on the come out, so my total expenditure for each shooter was $10 fire + $25 pass + $5 horn high = $40.

Sometimes the shooter would make one or two passes and I would make money on them.

And twice, at the same table, about three hours apart, two different shooters hit five (5) numbers on the Fire Bet for $2,500 payoffs, plus another couple of hundred for the pass line bets pays.

There is a certain joy in playing craps when you know you have little at risk but a great potential to win.

I found myself enjoying the game as much with only a passline bet as I would if I had all the numbers covered. And I really enjoyed the game more when I watched high rollers dropping a thousand or more on shooters who never made a pass and realized I wasn't losing big.

By the way, this was the first time ever that I was at tables for two five-point fire bet pays in the same weekend. And there have been trips when not even a four-pointer is made.
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December 8th, 2013 at 4:09:34 PM permalink
The best part was that you didn't have to hawk the gas cards.
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AlanMendelson
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December 8th, 2013 at 4:17:39 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

The best part was that you didn't have to hawk the gas cards.



Actually, the gas cards will be mailed to me and probably won't arrive for a couple of weeks.
tringlomane
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December 8th, 2013 at 5:48:19 PM permalink
Nice hits! I was happy to get a $10 gas card from about 18 hrs of live poker and tiny amounts of video poker last year...if points earned from the midwest counted, i would have had a lot more.
100xOdds
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December 8th, 2013 at 6:08:28 PM permalink
congrats on the win!

why even bother with Passline if no odds?

if you need $25 on the table:
$10 firebet, $12 place on the 6+8

btw- 20% house edge on the Firebet?! yowzers!!!!!!!!

hm.. now that I think about it, the times I hit 5 or more separate repeaters I don't usually get $2500 in profit. about $1000 of that amount is still on the table when the 7 comes.

hm..
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AlanMendelson
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December 8th, 2013 at 7:53:09 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

why even bother with Passline if no odds?



this is an excellent question and comes down to this:

Do the odds bets help you win? And the answer is no.

Craps is a negative expectation game and so no betting system or scheme will help you win. Having odds will help you win more when the numbers come your way -- but betting odds will not make the numbers come your way.

My goal was to be at the table to catch lightning at the lowest possible cost.

Now, had I been betting "big" when those two five-point fire bets hit I would have won a lot more money. the player to my right started with $130 across plus full odds, and when the shooter 7nd out with the 5 point fire bet he had won about $5,000. He did not make a fire bet. He also had about $1,000 on the table which gave him a net win of about $4,000. Not bad.

I started with an initial bet of $40 and finished both of those five-point fire bet hands with at least $2700. And that made me perfectly happy to win so much with so little to lose.

What's also curious is that by also making just a passline bet, I sometimes had a profit on shooters who only made two passes. But at the same time there were high rollers who lost hundreds and hundreds of dollars because when the shooter sevened-out they had lots of bets on the table.
Doc
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December 8th, 2013 at 8:19:48 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I was at a $25 table

Quote: 100xOdds

if you need $25 on the table:
$10 firebet, $12 place on the 6+8


At a $25 table, wouldn't those 6 & 8 bets each need to be $25 minimum, likely $30 each?
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December 8th, 2013 at 8:41:44 PM permalink
Getting lucky is great and i am glad you did.

We only have two casino's here with the fire bet, one 16' and 1 12' which is very very very
bouncy.

We have had these for two years and i have 5 fire bet winners in all this time, i hit two 5's
and two 4's and my team member hit a 5. But then i hardly ever play these two tables, they
just dont fit my throw.

I was about to say i am just not very good at being lucky, but that would not be true with a
great wife and kids, i have been very lucky, not just real lucky at gambling, i have played
video poker for 40 years and never had a royal.

So i took up dice control, and it is ok, i got the guts to try 30 days in Vegas area just after
christmas, i have to admit i am scared to death and excited at the same time. Hope your
good luck on the fire bet is catching.

Good work and enjoy the win.

dicesetter
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December 8th, 2013 at 9:25:18 PM permalink
If a naked pass line bet does it for you, that's great. I'd rather shoot myself, gets way too boring.

Congrats on the big win, the firebet has been nasty to me lately.
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AlanMendelson
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December 8th, 2013 at 10:34:59 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

At a $25 table, wouldn't those 6 & 8 bets each need to be $25 minimum, likely $30 each?



Doc is correct.

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