Across betting
The latest several day trips, have had good results with the following: $5 pass $10 odds and $52,$54 across to start the new shooter. The first pass-point must be made before any pressing.
If he makes the first point, then $20 odds on all furthur points, and full press each box number to $20,24 as each is rolled after the first point is made. Then same bets for remainder of hand. Using a 20 shooter bankroll which has been plenty thusfar, lucky with positive variance thusfar.
Quote: Beethoven9thNo matter how complex your system is, the House Advantage remains the same on each individual bet.
This is a craps thread. Please refrain from logical comments please !
are searching for big wins to brag about, it is gambling on
steriods.
But you cant win doing it ( long term). If the table was just average, 6 rolls per
hand for 100 rolls, you have about 15% seven outs which is a loss of
about $810 ( asumming no pass line bet) of the remaing 600 rolls
100 are the sevens, about 80 are 2,12,11,3 so that leaves 420 rolls
to win $810 just to break even. that will not happen unless you throw
all 10 & 4.
There are decent players with unlimited bank rolls that dont care about the
math of the game. They dont even care about the losses over time, they just
want the feeling of the big win now and then. It is their money and if that
is what you want,betting across and aggressive pressing will give you large
wins from time to time.
But if you are using mortgage money to play, you will lose your house, the odds of
that are 100%.
dicesetter
I did have a session loss last night, which was due as had 3 good sessions prior to this latest.
Quote: dwmAs active players know, it is very difficult to win with across betting, but this seems to give me a decent chance with the big target of across betting.
The latest several day trips, have had good results with the following: $5 pass $10 odds and $52,$54 across to start the new shooter. The first pass-point must be made before any pressing.
If he makes the first point, then $20 odds on all furthur points, and full press each box number to $20,24 as each is rolled after the first point is made. Then same bets for remainder of hand. Using a 20 shooter bankroll which has been plenty thusfar, lucky with positive variance thusfar.
$5.00 Table - Play 32 across at a $5.00 table and press each number by 1 unit every win till Point is made then start over back to 32 across.
$10.00 Table - play $10 on 5 and 9, then drop a dollar and go to a quarter when 5-9 comes and rake in $35.00 from an $11.00 investment.
$15.00 table - Place 4 and 10 $15 each and buy both to a quarter after one win (nickel change). Drop a dollar for $50.00 every hit.
Don't be fooled because the 6 & 8 is supposed to come out more than 4 & 10.
Quote:dwm
Using a 20 shooter bankroll which has been plenty thusfar, lucky with positive variance thusfar.
Your one quote that I used said it all, so you were lucky, but just how long will it last?
As an "across bettor" I can tell you that even playing with 52/54 across or 130/135 across I left a table with a net win of $5,000 or more only three times in my life (pre fire bet days).
I had a dream the last time I played that I wish I had the ability to "see" which number would be rolled next so I could shift my bankroll from number to number for each throw.
The problem with "across betting" is that you can lose all of those bets at once, but you can only win one at a time.
Craps sucks. Why do we play it? LOL
Start with pass-odds and place the sister. If get a hit on either bet, then on the next uncovered number that is rolled, then place it and its sister. If get another hit , then place the remaining when rolled.
Example: point is 6 so odds on 6 and place the 8. A hit on 8 is rolled so that qualifies for the next bet. 9 is rolled so place the 9 and 5. Wait for another hit on any covered number, then a 4 is rolled so place the 4 and 10. Gradual across betting is easier on the bankroll.
Quote: dwmon the next uncovered number that is rolled, then place it and its sister.
I recall a player doing this. He started with passline and placed the sister... so if a 5 was the point, he would place the 9. Is that what you meant?
Then the roll might be a 10, so he placed the 10 and the 4. And then the roll might be a 6 so he would place the 6 and 8.
It struck me as being a system where you always make the bet "one roll too late" as opposed to someone who just bet the inside or already had their money on the numbers.
Quote: AlanMendelson
The problem with "across betting" is that you can lose all of those bets at once, but you can only win one at a time.
There are so-called experts that push that type of betting, the problem is as you pointed out, that you lose six bets at once! To make matters worst, there will be plenty of times that the roll count could be five or more rolls and you never got one paying hit because of all the crap numbers being roll along with the come-out sevens! To put it very bluntly, there are no guarantees in the game of craps. You never know if you are going to get any winning hits on you're across bet!
Most craps players don't have big bank rolls, unlike some of the great fiction we read about the game of craps, if you are playing an across bet, you need a very large bank roll to back you up. If the table turns cold or you buy-in at the wrong time, you can go through you're bankroll in a few rolls of the dice.
Playing craps is all about being at the table at the right time when things are skewed one way or the other. If your a dark-side player you love to see cold tables, and if you 're a right side player the only thing you want to see is a table with points being made!
If you take a hit with you're across type betting you're going to be out of chips before the table changes back to where you can get all the winning dice rolls that you need, to get into profit! Seeing how you are always playing a very negative game, when you are playing craps, things have a way of going bad, more times then they go right for you!
Betting large sums of money so you can get one hit and then regress down you're bets in nothing more then insanity at work, sure some times you will get lucky, but as I like to ask the guys is just how many time do you get lucky on a daily basis?
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI recall a player doing this. He started with passline and placed the sister... so if a 5 was the point, he would place the 9. Is that what you meant?
Then the roll might be a 10, so he placed the 10 and the 4. And then the roll might be a 6 so he would place the 6 and 8.
It struck me as being a system where you always make the bet "one roll too late" as opposed to someone who just bet the inside or already had their money on the numbers.
I was impressed by a system player last night dividing the place bets in half (4-5-6) & (10-9-8) I play the way I play but couldn't help but notice the guy placing 4 & 10 and when the number came in he would use the 9:5 winnings to place the other two numbers. was remarkable to see him doing well with this type of betting style.
Quote: CrapsGeniousI was impressed by a system player last night dividing the place bets in half (4-5-6) & (10-9-8) I play the way I play but couldn't help but notice the guy placing 4 & 10 and when the number came in he would use the 9:5 winnings to place the other two numbers. was remarkable to see him doing well with this type of betting style.
So if I bet the 12 and won, would you be impressed with that too?
Quote: Beethoven9th
So if I bet the 12 and won, would you be impressed with that too?
No he would only be impressed if you got lucky while playing some system!
Quote: Beethoven9thSo if I bet the 12 and won, would you be impressed with that too?
Not at all, just calling it as I see it. If you bet the 12 and parley the win 3 times in a row and repeated it a couple more times, I may in fact consider to be impressed.
Quote: bdc42everyone on this site knows that all house games are just that, house games.
I'm pretty sure that that's not true.
Quote: bdc42it's really funny, when someone posts a comment on any game that's not beatable, there is always some duche who says something about the house edge and that it's unbeatable. NO KIDDING, really. everyone on this site knows that all house games are just that, house games. posting a comment saying you cant beat the house edge is like telling a rock it cant float.
I agree with you because I can never see any casino offering any game with a players edge, bet then again what do I know. I spelled "Genius" wrong. :P
That's not true. Only s2pid comments are treated like that.Quote: bdc42it's really funny, when someone posts a comment on any game that's not beatable, there is always some duche who says something about the house edge and that it's unbeatable.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'm pretty sure that that's not true.Quote: bdc42everyone on this site knows that all house games are just that, house games.
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Quote: Beethoven9thThat's not true. Only s2pid comments are treated like that.
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maybe not everyone , but just about. if I posted something to the effect of " I always stand on my 15 if they are two red cards", someone is going to come along and tell me my "bs" is all wrong and I'm giving the house an edge of 21% on said hand. if someone is dumb enough to do that, then explaining it to them will not help. I see this all the time at a poker table, people who think they are smart, trying to teach the "fish" just how smart they are...smacks of a lack of self esteem. imho.
Quote: bdc42if I posted something to the effect of " I always stand on my 15 if they are two red cards", someone is going to come along and tell me my "bs" is all wrong and I'm giving the house an edge of 21% on said hand.
Well, if you're giving someone advice and telling them to "always stand on 15", then someone else should absolutely make it clear that such advice is BS.
Quote: Beethoven9thWell, if you're giving someone advice and telling them to "always stand on 15", then someone else should absolutely make it clear that such advice is BS.
point being that everyone does know this or at least should....and if they don't, there isn't much hope.
Quote: bdc42point being that everyone does know this or at least should....and if they don't, there isn't much hope.
the subject was Craps and betting across the board..... all craps wagers are losers.. .and commenting that they are losers is redundant... who actually thinks they can "beat" a dice game legitimately? nobody can. it doesn't really matter how the guy bets, like you so impressively pointed out that the odds never change on a given bet. who the hell doesn't know this?
Quote: bdc42point being that everyone does know this or at least should....and if they don't, there isn't much hope.
The point is that correcting them isn't for their benefit. It's for the benefit of the person they're giving "advice" to.
Quote: Beethoven9thThe point is that correcting them isn't for their benefit. It's for the benefit of the person they're giving "advice" to.
the guy is playing Craps, he isn't going to win. the best he can do is minimize the edge, but in the long run we get it all. that isn't exactly my point, you made the comment about the house edge is always the same... and I pointed out that by posting your comment was not necessary, we all know that he cannot overcome the edge.
Quote: bdc42we all know that he cannot overcome the edge.
"WE" all know that? So you read his mind?
Go to a craps table sometime. I doubt you'll find more than 1 or 2 people (if that) who can identify the House Edge for any bet.
$15 Pass
"Lose" Across 11-8-5-5-8-11
12 Push
11 +15
10 or 4 -11
9 or 5 -8
8 or 6 -5
7 +43
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: bdc42we all know that he cannot overcome the edge.
"WE" all know that? So you read his mind?
Go to a craps table sometime. I doubt you'll find more than 1 or 2 people (if that) who can identify the House Edge for any bet.
but all of them (95%) know that there is a house edge..why do we keep arguing...I made the statement that your statement was unnecessary, and you said it was absolutely necessary. my claim is that it doesn't matter to Craps guy, he's gonna play and lose. you telling him that doesn't help his situation .
Gee, that makes sense. Is it ALL or 95%?Quote: bdc42but all of them (95%) know that there is a house edge
In any case, the answer is irrelevant because that's beside the point. Stating that the House Edge cannot be changed by bet manipulation is a good thing to tell someone if he/she doesn't know any better. Hell, it helps out a lot more than anything you've said in this thread.
Wrong on both counts. If none of this mattered to the OP, then he obviously wouldn't have come here and posted. And pointing out that the HE cannot be changed could very well help somebody who doesn't know any better. If everyone had your mindset, nobody would ever reply to any question here.Quote: bdc42my claim is that it doesn't matter to Craps guy, he's gonna play and lose. you telling him that doesn't help his situation .
Quote: Beethoven9thGee, that makes sense. Is it ALL or 95%?
In any case, the answer is irrelevant because that's beside the point. Stating that the House Edge cannot be changed by bet manipulation is a good thing to tell someone if he/she doesn't know any better. Hell, it helps out a lot more than anything you've said in this thread.
Wrong on both counts. If none of this mattered to the OP, then he obviously wouldn't have come here and posted. And pointing out that the HE cannot be changed could very well help somebody who doesn't know any better. If everyone had your mindset, nobody would ever reply to any question here.
Holy "Craps" batman, could it be that we are all compulsive gamblers seeking social advise?
Table cold: inside, single odds, 50% up once.
Table hot: inside, triple odds, press then 50% and final 30%
Field numbers show up: bet 9 50% of total bet, three way craps 10% five times.
Quote: CrapsGeniousHoly "Craps" batman, could it be that we are all compulsive gamblers seeking social advise?
let me see if I can explain my point one last time trolls....he came here (imo) to talk about various Craps wagers, different styles of play etc..The only point I was trying to get across to BEET is that trolls always come along and quote "the game cant be beat" or the "odds are in the favor of the house" no f'n kidding. I still think his response was way off point. by all means tell him a correct betting strategy so he can win at dice??? I'm waiting... and for the record I'd say 95%+ know that the house has a significant edge.
Well then it is a damn good thing he told us that to help the other 5%.
I wonder what bdc42 definition is for troll......
maybe a player that does not win all the time
maybe a player that makes bad bets
maybe a player that had just started playing craps
Maybe the 95% of us need more help than the 5%, we are not trolls and yet
make the same mistakes over and over.
Maybe its only 5% of the players that really understand the game and play
it correctly and make money.
Now i am confused , who was the troll again.
dicesetter
Playing with $15,18 bets, and pressing the 6,8 to $30 then final press to $60. $1200 bankroll per day. Have played with several different versions, and this one I like better.
+10Quote: dicesitterWell then it is a damn good thing he told us that to help the other 5%.
I wonder what bdc42 definition is for troll......
maybe a player that does not win all the time
maybe a player that makes bad bets
maybe a player that had just started playing craps
Maybe the 95% of us need more help than the 5%, we are not trolls and yet
make the same mistakes over and over.
Maybe its only 5% of the players that really understand the game and play
it correctly and make money.
Now i am confused , who was the troll again.
Thank you, dicesetter! I guess bdc must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed or something. ;)
i am a tad confused, you play across and then raise the numbers on the third. but
only the 6 & 8.
So i hit a 10, 4,10,4,10,4, and no 6 & 8 your going to press the 6 & 8 ??????
good luck with that.
dicesetter
Quote: dwmAs active players know, it is very difficult to win with across betting, but this seems to give me a decent chance with the big target of across betting.
The latest several day trips, have had good results with the following: $5 pass $10 odds and $52,$54 across to start the new shooter. The first pass-point must be made before any pressing.
If he makes the first point, then $20 odds on all furthur points, and full press each box number to $20,24 as each is rolled after the first point is made. Then same bets for remainder of hand. Using a 20 shooter bankroll which has been plenty thusfar, lucky with positive variance thusfar.
I do something silimiar:
$10 pass/continuous come with max odds (3/4/5x)
$44 on even #'s: $12 Place on 6 + 8 (1.5% HE), $10 Buy on 4 + 10 (1.7% HE)
Bankroll = $1500
I cant make myself do the 5 + 9 because of the 2% House Edge
Edit: Buy 5/9 = 2% HE
Quote: 100xOddsI cant make myself do the 5 + 9 because of the 2% House Edge
4%
Quote: dicesitterdwm
i am a tad confused, you play across and then raise the numbers on the third. but
only the 6 & 8.
So i hit a 10, 4,10,4,10,4, and no 6 & 8 your going to press the 6 & 8 ??????
good luck with that.
dicesetter
I do something somewhat similar.
after I make back the $ I have on the table, I press the 6/8 via Place bets if the inside #s hit (5,6,8,9).
I only press the 5/9 when I maxxed out the table's $500 Place limit.
Reason: 2% HE (see my post above)
and obviously, press the 4/10 when a 4 or 10 hits :)
Quote: AxiomOfChoice4%
Or, wait, do they let you buy it and pay 5% on wins only? That would be 2%.
I've never played in a place that let you do that.
Quote: bdc42everyone on this site knows that all house games are just that, house games
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/help/16436-going-on-tilt-and-losing-regaining-heart-seeking-a-good-read/3/#post308401
"Money management game"
This question seems a tad self explanatory, however why in the
hell would i press a number i am not hitting.
The house advantage applies only to the difference between what the casino
pays you and full odds, if you press an 8 your not hitting the
casino take is 100%.
I gotta be missing something..... if you bet across that implies the house advantage is at
work on the 4,5,9,10 after you make your across bet. You dont mind that house advantage
on those rolls, but you want to worry about it after your hitting them.
No wonder 95% of craps players lose.
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitter100xodds
This question seems a tad self explanatory, however why in the
hell would i press a number i am not hitting.
The house advantage applies only to the difference between what the casino
pays you and full odds, if you press an 8 your not hitting the
casino take is 100%.
I gotta be missing something..... if you bet across that implies the house advantage is at
work on the 4,5,9,10 after you make your across bet. You dont mind that house advantage
on those rolls, but you want to worry about it after your hitting them.
No wonder 95% of craps players lose.
dicesetter
so what if i'm pressing 6/8 when the 5/9 hits and the 6/8 it hasn't hit yet?
6/8 has the lowest HE among Place/buy bets.
wizards motto: good wager...
gamblers fallacy: Hot #s
dice have no memory
Oh heck... it doesnt matter.... just bet the pass line with the minimum and max on the fire bet and hope lightning strikes.
Quote: AlanMendelsonwhen I press, I press from the inside moving out... and I am guilty of this even if I am throwing outside numbers. I figure that eventually the "math" will catch up and I will start hitting the inside numbers.
Oh heck... it doesnt matter.... just bet the pass line with the minimum and max on the fire bet and hope lightning strikes.
yeah, I want to try this but all the nearest casinios near me don't have firebet :(
