Dark side question
Quote: NewToCrapsI am sorry - I meant a place bet to lose. Are they even available outside of Australia ?
I am fairly sure that "don't place" bets are available in the USA only on Aruze "Shoot To Win" machines. I have never made a don't place bet on those machines, but I would guess that the bet stays up until the player takes it down, and I would assume that the bet works on the come out roll.
Now, I can't wait to find one of those machines and try one of those bets.
Quote: tuppNow, I can't wait to find one of those machines and try one of those bets.
Once you have you will quickly get sick of the "Push the button!!!!! Come on!!!! Push the button!!!!"
Quote: wrongwayI'm thinking the "don't place" bet would come down and have to be replaced it the place # rolled before 7.
Of course, I (and the OP) was referring to a win. We all know that the bet has to come down on a loss.
Quote: NewToCrapsI am sorry - I think I saw a bet that won on 7 that stayed on the table for the next come our roll. Could it be a lay bet ? Or a place to lose bet ? Or a don't place bet ? Or am I really confused ?
It gets even more confusing when one completely changes an earlier post to reply, instead of just responding with a new message.
If you were in the USA, and you saw a bet behind the place/buy bets that remained undisturbed after a seven-out, it was probably a lay bet that was merely paid-off. I don't think that any casinos allow players to temporarily call off don't come bets, but, if so, surely such bets would be marked "off."
Quote: NewToCrapsI am sorry - I think I saw a bet that won on 7 that stayed on the table for the next come our roll. Could it be a lay bet ? Or a place to lose bet ? Or a don't place bet ? Or am I really confused ?
More than likely, it was a lay bet. Players sometimes like to keep their lay bets up after a 7-out (after paying the additional vig, of course).
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: NewToCrapsI am sorry - I think I saw a bet that won on 7 that stayed on the table for the next come our roll. Could it be a lay bet ? Or a place to lose bet ? Or a don't place bet ? Or am I really confused ?
More than likely, it was a lay bet. Players sometimes like to keep their lay bets up after a 7-out (after paying the additional vig, of course).
I agree. It was most likely a Lay bet, and the player opted to repay the Vig and leave the bet up. A Lay bet is active at all times, so any Come out 7s will cause the bet to win, the number being thrown will lose the bet.
Most often, I have seen a Lay bet on a 4 or 10. Perhaps some of the craps dealers can weigh in with what numbers they see LAY'd (LAIN?) most often
Quote: tuppI am fairly sure that "don't place" bets are available in the USA only on Aruze "Shoot To Win" machines. I have never made a don't place bet on those machines, but I would guess that the bet stays up until the player takes it down, and I would assume that the bet works on the come out roll.
Now, I can't wait to find one of those machines and try one of those bets.
Sorry Tupp, I knew I was confused, and thought I could beat anyone response with a quick rewording. I guess I made it worse. Sorry
Thanks for all the resposnses - it must be a lay bet that was remaining after the seven out.
This site gets answers to even confusing questiobs - I appreciate it.
Worse yet, I choose your wrong comment to quote.
Quote: RaleighCraps
I agree. It was most likely a Lay bet, and the player opted to repay the Vig and leave the bet up. A Lay bet is active at all times, so any Come out 7s will cause the bet to win, the number being thrown will lose the bet.
Most often, I have seen a Lay bet on a 4 or 10. Perhaps some of the craps dealers can weigh in with what numbers they see LAY'd (LAIN?) most often
Lain is British English. Think rain and cold all the time along with warm beer and a shower a week(with cheap soap) along with tattoos.
Would not they take the vig for the new wager out of the proceeds of the winning lay wager, leaving it up, unless you had asked it be brought down?
Let's say I want to LAY the 4 for $200. They will charge me 5% of the win ($100), which is $5. So I hand them $205.
A 7 is rolled. If I have red in the rack, they will give me $100, and ask for $5 for the vig, if I want to keep the bet up.
If I don't want to keep it up, they hand me $100, and then give me back my $200 bet.
Quote: RaleighCrapsyes.
Let's say I want to LAY the 4 for $200. They will charge me 5% of the win ($100), which is $5. So I hand them $205.
A 7 is rolled. If I have red in the rack, they will give me $100, and ask for $5 for the vig, if I want to keep the bet up.
If I don't want to keep it up, they hand me $100, and then give me back my $200 bet.
Okay. My point was meant to be however that if for instance you didn't have the $5.usd chip clearly available, or were busy with a drink server or your wife nagging you, they might??? assume you want to keep the bet up and take it from the $100.usd, placing your $95.usd beneath your position at the table? I think that's correct? Just wanting to get it straight for those few who don't concentrate as much as I do. A person can get cheated and arguments can ensue over these things at the table in the heat of the action. Thanks.
Quote: NewToCrapsWhen on the dark side - are winning don't pass and winning don't come wagers removed from the table once paid ? If not, can they be called on so they are active on the nexr come out roll ?
once the dp and dc is paid it is removed obviously, thats a starting point and is up to the player to place that dP/dc bet back if so chooses to. There is only one way to win these bets basically and that is for seven to be rolled and at that point the felt is swept therefore the dc/dp is paid and taken down and left to the player. Only one other way to be profitable on those 2 and that is if on the dc/dp and craps rolls prior to getting out on a box number then ...... you are paid and can choose to leave the bet up or take down and claim winning.
Quote: NewToCrapsI am sorry - I think I saw a bet that won on 7 that stayed on the table for the next come our roll. Could it be a lay bet ? Or a place to lose bet ? Or a don't place bet ? Or am I really confused ?
At that point the bet woud be moved from the box number it won on to the dc/dp line just as the the front line on a come out roll. That is because the plauer chose to leave it out there on the line.
Quote: wrongwayI'm thinking the "don't place" bet would come down and have to be replaced it the place # rolled before 7.
The bet woud fall at that point if 7 is not rolled . It would lose
Quote: siliconeThe bet would fall at that point if 7 is not rolled . It would lose
Is only 2 ways to win on the dc/dp and that is once the bet is laid on th eline and craps rolls in most cases that is an auto win on that line however, many casinos have 1 of the craps numbers chosen as just a push so 2 crap numbers is an auto win on the line or.... once out behind a number 7 rolls then it wins those are the only 2 ways to win that bet.
Quote: siliconeThe bet woud fall at that point if 7 is not rolled . It would lose
getting out behind a number is over half the battle. Often times on a come out roll 7 is rolled more than not or shoudl I say called more often than not. So for every time you have a bet on the dc/dp line you will lose that bet on teh come out when 7 rolls until you actually get behind a box #
then u want a 7 to roll for the win.
