TheWolf713
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June 22nd, 2013 at 7:19:20 PM permalink
"Seven out.... Pay the Don'ts, Take the Line "SMH

I can hear the call in the distance as Im walking toward the Table... Now I rarely Play the don'ts... But that day, The DP in me said "hey, that sounds like a great table."

When I arrived and made my buy-in, And put down a DP bet immediately.... 3 Craps Take the line... The Next shot was a 6 followed immediately by a Red 7. This continue with the next 4 shooters. As the dice came to me, in classic DP fashion, I passed them. A guy looks over at me with the most evil stare he could conjure up, While the other players mumbled about their losses. The PSOs didnt stop and within 30 mins I made a nice chunk of change and Colored up, and left. (and they were still standing there teetering on their last few bucks).

It amazes me how a person can teeter with a few bucks for 6-8 hours.

Now while these guys were shooting, 2 of them just so happened to be using the 3V set, Throwing seven after seven after seven. (wannabes obviously)

My question to you is: Why is it so hard for players to say "Well....That didn't work" and change it up?



What are your thoughts?
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
treetopbuddy
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June 22nd, 2013 at 7:22:54 PM permalink
simple....if you losing on the right side the fear would be switching and losing on the other side. In trading we call that getting whipsawed
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Venthus
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June 22nd, 2013 at 9:05:31 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

simple....if you losing on the right side the fear would be switching and losing on the other side. In trading we call that getting whipsawed



I call it business as usual. Which is why I've stayed far away from craps lately and stuck to [winning] on BJ.
sodawater
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June 22nd, 2013 at 9:10:26 PM permalink
Do you really think "changing it up" will have any effect whatsoever on the outcome of the game?

If you do, you do not understand how craps or gambling in general works, so feel free to read up and try again next time.
Mission146
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June 23rd, 2013 at 7:40:04 AM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713



My question to you is: Why is it so hard for players to say "Well....That didn't work" and change it up?

What are your thoughts?



With Craps, it is almost irrelevant. Technically, the best strategy is to always play the Dont's, except most people (myself included) play the Pass Line.

In many other games, changing it up is completely irrelevant. In Roulette, for example, I always slap a buck on Black-29, and paint the corners of Black-29 with a buck each. I could effectively make the same bet by taking any other center number (except Two and Thirty-Five) and painting the corners, but I don't, because...why? Black-29 (and the corners thereof) has just as much of a chance of hitting as anything else, so what would be the point.

I also always play the same Video Keno numbers, except sometimes I pick Seven as opposed to ten. 44-53-54-55-62-63-64-65-66-74. If I only pick Seven numbers, then it is the same thing, except without 62, 66 and 74.
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s2dbaker
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June 23rd, 2013 at 8:45:27 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I always slap a buck on Black-29, and paint the corners of Black-29 with a buck each.

Doesn't that diminish your bet and add to the already substantial house edge? If you win on Black-29 then the chances of the other bets winning as well has a probability of zero. If you take the example out to the ridiculous then if you bet a dollar on all numbers except Black-29 you will lose a dollar on each spin with the added possibility of losing all $37. Isn't it better to bet one number only?
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TheWolf713
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June 23rd, 2013 at 8:49:21 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Do you really think "changing it up" will have any effect whatsoever on the outcome of the game?

If you do, you do not understand how craps or gambling in general works, so feel free to read up and try again next time.



@sodawater
I threw the question out to get answers for newbies... Trust my knowledge of the game far exceeds most... But thanks for the reply..

-The Wolf713
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
sodawater
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June 23rd, 2013 at 8:49:40 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Doesn't that diminish your bet and add to the already substantial house edge? If you win on Black-29 then the chances of the other bets winning as well has a probability of zero. If you take the example out to the ridiculous then if you bet a dollar on all numbers except Black-29 you will lose a dollar on each spin with the added possibility of losing all $37. Isn't it better to bet one number only?



No, all inside bets in roulette carry the same house edge. It doesn't matter where and how you bet, only the total bet times the edge.

It may be counterintuitive, but betting $1 on all 38 numbers and betting $38 on 1 number has the exact same expectation and cost. One might be more FUN than the other, but that's for the individual player to decide.
Mission146
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June 23rd, 2013 at 9:01:52 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Doesn't that diminish your bet and add to the already substantial house edge? If you win on Black-29 then the chances of the other bets winning as well has a probability of zero. If you take the example out to the ridiculous then if you bet a dollar on all numbers except Black-29 you will lose a dollar on each spin with the added possibility of losing all $37. Isn't it better to bet one number only?



A.) The House Edge is the same for all Roulette Bets, except the Basket Bet.

B.) If Black-29 hits, all bets win, not lose.
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MonkeyMonkey
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June 23rd, 2013 at 9:58:48 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

No, all inside bets in roulette carry the same house edge.

Yes, except "the basket" which is a little worse for the player (which doesn't stop people from playing it, or even exclaiming loudly to their even more novice friends that it's the best bet to make.)

Quote: sodawater


It may be counterintuitive, but betting $1 on all 38 numbers and betting $38 on 1 number has the exact same expectation and cost. One might be more FUN than the other, but that's for the individual player to decide.



It shouldn't be counter intuitive to someone with even rudimentary math skill, but I've seen players carpet bombing the felt with chips, and even (you guessed it...) loudly telling their even more novice friends it's the best way to bet because you can't lose. I've even heard these same players scoff at the idiot playing both red and black because he's going to lose on the 0 and 00.

I think you don't see sidebets for roulette because it's already got the market cornered on dumb ways to play.

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