Zcore13
Zcore13
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March 15th, 2013 at 3:16:11 PM permalink
I didn't say (or intend to say) you named the Casinos. I believe Harley did.

And why would you say I'm hiding. Everyone uses a screen name. My name is Jeff (The rest of my personal information has been removed after time for Aligh to see it. I'm really not concerned, but there's always a chance of someone impersonating.) Let me know if you want to know anything else.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Ahigh
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March 15th, 2013 at 3:30:18 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I didn't say (or intend to say) you named the Casinos. I believe Harley did.

ZCore13



I appreciate your leveling, and only asking. The more people out in the open on the topic the better.

All my comments are my own opinion and do not represent the opinion of anyone else.

I will agree with you that Harley could stand to back down a little bit from being so direct and/or assuming something is being done intentionally.

I personally would like to see a bit more fairness ensured for the player.

But I don't personally think that there's a conspiracy to double the edge and that an underground network of people are hiding a big secret.

Harley and I differ there.

As many people who are on the inside who want to get to the bottom of things, the better.

In the end, just monitoring the outcomes and doing extra efforts to ensure fairness should make the game more popular and more fun for everyone.

That's what annoyed the hell out of me dealing with Harley in the beginning was that some people might stop playing!

I love the game and I love playing and I just want it to be fair.

A few extra steps to ensure fairness I think are warranted even if there is never any proof at all. Just for peace of mind.
TheWolf713
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March 15th, 2013 at 3:34:57 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I didn't say (or intend to say) you named the Casinos. I believe Harley did.

And why would you say I'm hiding. Everyone uses a screen name. My name is Jeff (deleted)

ZCore13



Securing your privacy online is a major issue... You are not hiding.. Please don't be tempted to throw out your info for a 'stick' measuring contest..

Thank you and good day..

TheWolf713
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
Harley
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March 15th, 2013 at 3:59:43 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

... You just don't understand how a Casino works, ...
ZCore13



ZCore13 -- as a Table Games Manager, have you ever been responsible for placing a stick of dice in a balancing caliper to verify it was balanced before it was placed in service ?? --- not just going through the motions for the camera, but actually rejecting a stick of dice if it was not balanced ??

No disrespect, but if not, then I believe "You just don't understand how a (real corporate) Casino works" and what we are discussing is above your pay grade
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
Ahigh
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March 15th, 2013 at 4:03:58 PM permalink
I deleted the personal details, he would probably appreciate your doing the same.

I do invite any people involved in casino operations to do themselves the favor of having a boxman profile the face counts for the span of time a particular stick is out there and share the result with a math guy who can do a chi-squared test on them.

You may in fact be surprised.

I bought and I recommend one of these for the task:

http://www.tallycounterstore.com/Bank_Tally_Counter_p/014.htmCachedYou

Even if you share the results with nobody else, knowing what your face counts are can't hurt a casino!

I am not trying to exploit face counts, but you should know and expect is there are holes, they will be exploited quickly if they are there. Fairness is the goal, and identifying exposure before your players would be wise if this in fact turns into something for casinos to worry about.
Doc
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March 15th, 2013 at 4:08:25 PM permalink
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I'm the Table Games Manager at Bucky's Casino in Prescott, Az.


Well, how about that. I played blackjack in your casino on Tuesday afternoon this week! If you don't happen to follow the Casino Chip of the Day thread here, you missed when I posted my souvenir Bucky's $1 chip just yesterday, as part of a flurry of Arizona chips from casinos for which rdw4potus had already posted his $5 chips.
Beardgoat
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March 15th, 2013 at 4:41:24 PM permalink
Arizona casinos don't have craps so there is no way he would ever need to use a caliper. I'm sure you know that Harley....
Zcore13
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March 15th, 2013 at 4:58:30 PM permalink
Quote: Harley

ZCore13 -- as a Table Games Manager, have you ever been responsible for placing a stick of dice in a balancing caliper to verify it was balanced before it was placed in service ?? --- not just going through the motions for the camera, but actually rejecting a stick of dice if it was not balanced ??

No disrespect, but if not, then I believe "You just don't understand how a (real corporate) Casino works" and what we are discussing is above your pay grade



Harley,

Your posts have almost become not worth replying to. Aligh seems to be intelligent, open minded and thoughtful in his opinions. Yours are generally off base, slanderous and/or very poorly conceived.

Your accusations go as far down as the box man on the craps table. For that to be the case, it would be the dealers, box man, pit boss, shift manager, table games manager, gaming director and and internal regulatory that would all have to be involved to pull of a bad dice switcheroo to steal from the the customers. You can't tell me that only someone above my pay grade would know about it and still think the box man is switching dice at the perfect time to take the customers for a ride. So your accusations are at every pay grade... some below me and some above my current one.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Zcore13
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March 15th, 2013 at 5:03:33 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Well, how about that. I played blackjack in your casino on Tuesday afternoon this week! If you don't happen to follow the Casino Chip of the Day thread here, you missed when I posted my souvenir Bucky's $1 chip just yesterday, as part of a flurry of Arizona chips from casinos for which rdw4potus had already posted his $5 chips.



Hi Doc,

Well I wish I would have known. I don't follow the chip thread. I would have bought you a drink and made sure you got the best limited edition chip we have in the place if I knew you were there. :) I've met a few people from the forum and always welcome others to track me down if in town.

I hope you enjoyed your time here. I like to hear about the experiences other have and fix them if there were any problems.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Harley
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March 15th, 2013 at 5:37:33 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Harley,

Your accusations go as far down as the box man on the craps table. For that to be the case, it would be the dealers, box man, pit boss, shift manager, .... So your accusations are ... some below me ...

ZCore13



Dare you to cite one example of me ever accusing such .... quote and reference please
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/

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