playing the field

I'm not a field player, but when the table heats up is that the time to start jumping on the field? I've seen many players make loads of money getting their chips onto the field during long rolls. Any of you the same way? I was tempted my last time out, but stuck to my gameplan.

Quote: eyerollsixes

I'm not a field player, but when the table heats up is that the time to start jumping on the field? I've seen many players make loads of money getting their chips onto the field during long rolls. Any of you the same way? I was tempted my last time out, but stuck to my gameplan.

The field bet is nothing more than craps on turbo. The edge works 6.62x faster than a passline bet. 0.42% versus 2.78% per roll.

If you play for 1/6th the period of time OR for 1/6th the amount of the bet, it costs the same amount. The ratio is the same for hardways anecdotally. Just bet a fractional amount works better there for the same cost.

For the field, consider it a TURBO play, and bet accordingly. You can bet big, just not OFTEN. And know they're keeping a 1/36th slice of every pay they give you on average.

You just won $20 on the table and you need to leave. Bet the $20 on the field and maybe get a triple and walk. SUCCESSFUL FIELD PLAY.

You lose the $20? Walk breaking even "OH WELL!" -- I had fun but gotta go! SUCCESSFUL FIELD PLAY!

You bet the field for one unit every roll for 36 rolls .. likely outcome is you will lose a unit instead of losing 1/8th of a unit. BAD WAY TO PLAY THE FIELD.

I nearly totally eschew one roll bets, except maybe to get rid of some odd $1 chips at the end. The field demands the minimum though.

Bad combination: significant edge, minimum bet, and one roll.

Only play if it pays triple on a 12, kind of assumed in AHigh's post but not stated outright. If it only pays double on the 2/12, it's like playing double zero roulette.

Smart people don't play double zero roulette.

I once seen a woman start with 20 and color for 800 2 hrs. later playing exclusively the field. My wife tries this shit sometimes usually with bad results(not talking about bubble craps where it has worked for her for the mostpart). Sometimes I feel like Im playing against her and the house.

A hot table does not necessarily mean a field table. A shooter who's only rolling 6s and 8s all day long is on a hot roll, but people betting the field are getting wiped out.

But that's beside the point. There's no good or bad time to bet the field. That same house edge will always be waiting for you whenever you decide to make your move.

Its called a 1-roll prop for a reason as explained above.

the only place I would play the field is the Santa Ana Star Casino in New Mexico. I was there once and they had 3 to 1 on both the 2 and 12, and buy bets on the 4 and 10 payed 2 to 1.

Literally free gambling on both of those bets.

I am really surprised this is still going on. Can you lay the four and ten for free too?

Quote: Ahigh

I am really surprised this is still going on. Can you lay the four and ten for free too?

Not so long ago someone went there and gave us a full report. I'm pretty sure lay bets were free as well, but don't quote me on it.

Yup - "February 6th, 2012 at 12:34:20 PM" Post

Free lay on the 4/10 as of a year ago. If they're still honoring the buy and field, they're probably still honoring the lay.

Quote: Ahigh

I am really surprised this is still going on. Can you lay the four and ten for free too?

As of December, yes. Laying was 1 to 2. I was definitely buying though. Basically the only bets I made were buy 10 and 4, and play the field occasionally when I was board. Anything else was an incredible waste of money in comparison. They do have 10x odds for your line action, which isn't bad at all these days. I just never took advantage because my line play was minimal to say the least.

The catch. SOMEBODY at the table has to be playing the pass or don't pass for there to be action (it doesn't have to be you, it just has to be somebody). You can't roll if the only bets out are buy or field.

The place is kinda crappy though. Not terribly nice, and most people seem low-income. I bought it for 1,500 and they immediately offered me a food coupon and a free room-night. That is the easiest comps I have ever heard of for just putting $1500 in the rack.

Quote: bbvk05

As of December, yes. Laying was 1 to 2. I was definitely buying though. Basically the only bets I made were buy 10 and 4, and play the field occasionally when I was board. Anything else was an incredible waste of money in comparison. They do have 10x odds for your line action, which isn't bad at all these days. I just never took advantage because my line play was minimal to say the least.

The catch. SOMEBODY at the table has to be playing the pass or don't pass for there to be action (it doesn't have to be you, it just has to be somebody). You can't roll if the only bets out are buy or field.

The place is kinda crappy though. Not terribly nice, and most people seem low-income. I bought it for 1,500 and they immediately offered me a food coupon and a free room-night. That is the easiest comps I have ever heard of for just putting $1500 in the rack.

Did you get comps for your 0% HE play?

Edit: Comps beyond your initial buy-in.

Quote: ahiromu

Did you get comps for your 0% HE play?

I have no idea how they rate it. It feels like they were giving me credit, but I really didn't stay long enough to calculate. They gave me the food and room offer just because I had money... like speculative comping. I took the food but didn't need the room.

But to try to answer your question, yes I think they do comp some for the no HE bets. That might change if those are the ONLY bets you ever make and are obviously AP about it.

Quote: bbvk05

I have no idea how they rate it. It feels like they were giving me credit, but I really didn't stay long enough to calculate. They gave me the food and room offer just because I had money... like speculative comping. I took the food but didn't need the room.

But to try to answer your question, yes I think they do comp some for the no HE bets. That might change if those are the ONLY bets you ever make and are obviously AP about it.

Someone (klimate10 maybe?) went there and played some insane action on the no-edge bets, with a comparably smaller bet on the line (maybe $10 or $25 if I remember correctly). He was treated like a king, couldn't use up all of his comp points before he left, etc. If you search a bit you could probably find the trip report, it's on here somewhere.

Quote: AcesAndEights

Someone (klimate10 maybe?) went there and played some insane action

here's the thread

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/other-casinos/8205-santa-ana-star-trip-report/

IIRC the last we heard of this guy was that he was signing on to the idea that 100x odds was the way to go and he was going for it! Never heard much more from him. Pretty sure it was klimate 10

Quote: YouCanBetOnThat

A hot table does not necessarily mean a field table. A shooter who's only rolling 6s and 8s all day long is on a hot roll, but people betting the field are getting wiped out.

I can back this one up to a T. When I was staying at the Tropicana a couple years ago, I had about $20 in loose chips on the way to the cage. I stopped by the craps table and bet a 5, 6, and 8.

I ended up making $1200 on the roll. The shooter LOST money because he kept placing big money in the field.

It won't always be the case, but I stray from the field unless I'm making a dealer bet.

Well since we are on the Field Bet topic. I will talk about 1 of the 2 ways I bet the field. It's part of 6 Levels of what I "Read at the Table" during My Trend Setter" session.

Level 4 is I make a 25-50 % play in the Field after I see 2 consecutive Field # rolled. Lets say I'm place betting #'s for 50-60$. . I will make my Field Wager $25.

IE. roll data. 6,8,4,9, 5, ... Ok the 5 missed so that's one. So the roll continues after the 5, 5, 4,10, so I bet my $25 here on field and low and behold a 3 is thrown followed by an 11, then a 7out.. I drop back 2 spots in my 1,1,1,2,2,3,4 5,7 26 unit Progression. I have 1 Loss and 1 Win at this point. For +$0

Shooter 2 throws a 6, followed by 9,9, That's 2 consecutive field # after a break/reset, so we come in for our 3rd bet. Our goal to collect (4) $25 winners and get 2 units net and we have completed our mission to a success. The next roll an 8 and we lose .

Lets say we lose 2 more in a row. Now we are down 3 units.
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I have a rule that say after 3 consecutive losses i pause and paper bet til i have a WIN and then resume where i left off. The wins and losses comes in clumps. You could make this 2 losses on a row and paper bet as well. So now I'm down $75 or 1.5u on my $50 PB unit I'm betting. So I get a paper win and next 3 triggers results in me winning my 2u bet and (2) one unit bets but one of those 1 unit bet was a 2 so I got double. I just went from -3 to plus 2 in 3 wins. My overall win rate is 4-4 and I'm up +2 u as if I'm 6-4.

Next opportunity goes like this...
6,6,8,5,2,9,10. So we make 1 unit on the 10. The 8 point winner hits next roll and then roll continues...
7,7,11,3, so we now bet the field and catch a 12.

Mission complete. Plus 6 units on a 6-4 win ratio.

That's it. Just pick an exit point. I use 2 units of my flat bet amount for my win goal.

Flat bet on 5/9 $50. 6/8 $60
50% is $25 .
2u of my flat bet is $100 wins in the Field.
If I happen to hit +5-6 units as described above I keep playing and stop Field Play after first Loss
Risk is 26u. X $25 or $650. If up 4u and suffer 2 consecutive losses, I'd bail out with a 2u/$50 win.

I use Level 4 along with other 5 Levels to achieve a 10u win goal along with my shooting.

Hope this Helps.

I can honestly say that I never made a field bet in my life. I was told it was a bad bet and not to do it on the very first day I played. And that day no one made a field bet in about two hours of play, and the lesson stuck with me ever since. Thats about 20 years without a field bet.

Thanks VegasDiceController for your info, that is a good way to play the field. I knew there had to be some people on here who plays the field. Your system just makes sense, if the field numbers are coming up you gotta play them. Some people are just good at rolling those numbers over and over again.

I will play the field on occasion. I don't specifically track the table with pen and paper, but I can pretty accurately tell you the last ten numbers that were rolled at most any point in time. So when I start seeing a larger quantity of 2,3,4 or 10,11,12s being rolled by the past few shooters, I will make a few field bets.

When I do bet it, I tend to leave it out there. Take the Win, and leave the bet. Many times I will win 3 or 4 times before I lose the original bet. If the field numbers are really coming up a lot, I will play a few parlays. Bet $10, parlay it to $20, parlay it to $40, and down for $80. If I have lost a few of the parlays at the final stage, then I will start covering my $10 original bet by peeling $10 away from the $40, and make it a $30 bet instead.

Funny, I would never dream of playing roulette, yet I will play the field at times.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I can honestly say that I never made a field bet in my life.

I can honestly say the same thing except for one bet I made for the dealers.

Repeating my view, its a bad combination:
*significant HE
*one roll bet
*you must bet the table minimum

Quote: odiousgambit

Repeating my view, its a bad combination:
*significant HE

2.78%.

For me, that's not outrageous. I usually start balking when the house edge gets over 4%

Quote: odiousgambit

*one roll bet

Can't imagine why that would be bad.

Quote: odiousgambit

*you must bet the table minimum

Again, not sure why this requirement is bad. By the way, the minimum is $1 at Jokers Wild and Fortune. Fiesta H. was almost always a $3 table, but, with the new felts, it appears that they are trying to transition into $5 minimums.

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*significant HE

2.78%.

For me, that's not outrageous. I usually start balking when the house edge gets over 4%

Not outrageous, but too high for me. 2.78% where I have been playing, too, but 5.56% may be the norm.

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*one roll bet

Can't imagine why that would be bad.

It indisputably means the casino takes your money faster. Like a machine. Sure some days are an exception, too rare for me from what I can tell.

Quote: tupp

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*you must bet the table minimum

Again, not sure why this requirement is bad. By the way, the minimum is $1 at Jokers Wild and Fortune. Fiesta H. was almost always a $3 table, but, with the new felts, it appears that they are trying to transition into $5 minimums.

Where I play, it means no $1 bets like you can do in the middle of the table. There is a certain argument that those aren't so bad, your EV is about the same as a line bet at $5 , IIRC. As you can tell, it ain't so easy to talk me into certain bets, but when I have some odd dollar chips left over and I'm bagging the session, I have been know to do some Yo bets for the dollar.

Quote: odiousgambit

It indisputably means the casino takes your money faster. Like a machine. Sure some days are an exception, too rare for me from what I can tell.

Or you just win faster. Whatever.

Quote: odiousgambit

Where I play, it means no $1 bets like you can do in the middle of the table.

I was describing the minimums for the whole table.

At Joker's Wild and Fortune, the table minimum is $1 -- you can make a $1 line bet. By the way, Joker's Wild pays to the quarter. Not sure if Fiesta H. still has the table minimum of $3.

Quote: bbvk05

As of December, yes. Laying was 1 to 2. I was definitely buying though. Basically the only bets I made were buy 10 and 4, and play the field occasionally when I was board. Anything else was an incredible waste of money in comparison..

Looks like it's still there according to their website:

http://www.santaanastar.com/gaming/table-games/craps

I know how you feel about other bets being a waste, since Hard Rock Tampa still has Bubble Craps with only a 1cent vig on every $20 buy bet (all 6 numbers), I don't play the Pass Line anymore. And since it's automated, there doesn't have to be a Pass Line Bet. I was there early one morning, only one on the table, and I had big buys across the board, and kept hitting the "Play" button (to speed up the game). I had a pop-up "roll" every 8 seconds, and won a tidy sum.

Quote: eyerollsixes

I'm not a field player, but when the table heats up is that the time to start jumping on the field? I've seen many players make loads of money getting their chips onto the field during long rolls. Any of you the same way? I was tempted my last time out, but stuck to my gameplan.

When I deal craps at Monte Carlo Night Parties I tell people who are being rude or boorish to bet the field.

I have nearly had my bank broken with field bettors---but I always knew! Minutes later, THEY were broke!

Only use the Field Bet as part of a iron cross/modified iron cross play.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I can honestly say that I never made a field bet in my life. I was told it was a bad bet and not to do it on the very first day I played. And that day no one made a field bet in about two hours of play, and the lesson stuck with me ever since. Thats about 20 years without a field bet.

I hope they their way AWAY from the field..

In my opinion, The best field bet is NO FIELD BET...

Quote: AlanMendelson

I can honestly say that I never made a field bet in my life. I was told it was a bad bet and not to do it on the very first day I played. And that day no one made a field bet in about two hours of play, and the lesson stuck with me ever since. Thats about 20 years without a field bet.

Wow... just realized I have never made a field bet in my life, either. I gotta make one next trip just to say I've done it.