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Mission146
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December 31st, 2012 at 6:16:20 PM permalink
Greetings!

I went on the roll of my life at Wheeling Island Racetrack and Hotel at around 3:00a.m. on Saturday Night (technically Sunday Morning), but I didn't win very much off of it.

Check it out:

Come-Out Set, 5-2

Point Established Set, Hard-Six

I don't think that the set of the dice matters at all or that I can influence the dice, but it's fun to do for appearances sake...lol

Prior to this roll, I had been playing for a few minutes, I was just betting the Minimum of $5.00 on the PL (I usually play the Wrong Way, but felt like switching things up) and putting (or forgetting to put, as happened on two WINNING occasions and one losing) $10.00 Odds behind that...the dealers started reminding me to put it out there!

Anyway, I was having a great time. I'd make a $2.00 Fire Bet and then put out $1.00 on the Field, $1.00 Hard-Ten and $1.00 Hard-Four for the boys, I'd also tipped them $5.00 straight up after I had bought in for 20 Red Chips and was tipping them $5.00 straight off of every other winning Odds Bet. I don't believe I won them a single Field/Hardway bet, but they ended up making $30 off of my made points w/Odds and the $5.00 I gave them right off the top for $35.00 total.

I ended up establishing a point of 5 and went on a crazy streak rolling sixes and eights before I finally made my point. That was sixteen rolls total and I had a Fire Bet working at the time. I then established a point of Nine and made that point after four more rolls, then I established a point of eight and made it two rolls later, but then...

I established another point of 5 and immediately went back to my Hard-Six dice set...because it makes me look cool!

After I had established the previous point of 5, two gentlemen had started watching the Table and remarking about how many sixes/eights that I had been hitting, as well as some other numbers. The larger of the two gentlemen asked one of the Dealers:

Big Guy: How is this shooter?

Dealer: He's treating us very well, but my God, if I was on the other side of this table, he just rolled me a vacation. I told him he should make Place Bets the way he is firing them off, but he said he doesn't make Place Bets.

Big Guy: Let me Place $12 on the Six and another $12 on the Eight.


I had established that point of 5 and went to work trying to make it. I then proceeded to go Twenty-Three consecutive rolls without a 5 or a Seven-Out, during this span I rolled Snake-Eyes once, rolled Three on two occasions, one Yo', and a Midnight...the rest of the eighteen numbers were all Point Numbers. Among these eighteen numbers were four sixes and three eights. The guy who had made his Place Bets had kept Pressing them completely, not even taking so much as a White off the Table. In fact, he kept adding a little bit to his Place Bets to make them a multiple of Six. I would have also hit a Four Point Fire Bet if my roll had started with the Six that followed the actual Come-Out.

Place 6: $12 + $14 = $26 (Adds $4.00) = $30.00 + $35 = $65.00 (Adds $1) = $66 + $77 = $143 (Adds $1) = $144 + $168 = $312

Place 8: Place 6: $12 + $14 = $26 (Adds $4.00) = $30.00 + $35 = $65.00 (Adds $1) = $66 + $77 = $143 (Adds $1) = $144

Dealer: My God! I don't play unless I'm playing Green, and shooter, I'd have retired by now thanks to you.

Me: Thanks, I just hope I make this 5 so you guys get another $5.00.

Big Guy: What a streak!

Me: Yeah, but do you want to pick some of that up? I can't believe I've gone twenty-three rolls without a Seven or a Five, I'm bound to roll a Seven eventually!

Little Guy w/ Big Guy but not betting: Damnit! You're never supposed to say that number!

Dealer: (Looking at me) Some people are superstitious and they don't like you saying that number during a hand.

Me: (Grinning) What? Twenty-Three, what's wrong with Twenty-Three?

Dealer and Little Guy: Not that number!

Me: (Still Grinning) Five? But, I want a Five!

Dealer: (Getting the joke) Oh, for God's sake!

Big Guy: (In a serious tone) No, I'm not pulling anything yet. This doesn't even compare to how much I've lost today, and besides, this shooter's unstoppable!

Me: Let's hope so...


My very next roll saw one of the dice going straight into the chip tray on the opposite end of the table (stuck the landing!) and then the other die flew completely over the Table without even so much as touching any part of it!

Me: Same dice, I'll get them!

Dealer: I've never seen anyone put one in the chip tray AND one off the table in the same roll.

Me: Mad skills.


Hard-Ten.

SEVEN-OUT

The Big Guy bet the Dark Side and was the one to shoot next, I stuck with the Pass Line and he rolled a Seven immediately and declared, "I'm done."

I then established and Seven-Outted on two consecutive points w/Odds and declared that I was done as I was -$25.

Anyway, twenty-four consecutive rolls without a five/seven = 26/36 ^ 24 = 0.00040560222888205076 or 1/0.00040560222888205076 = 1 in 2,465.47

What an incredible roll!

I also ended up being at the table for almost exactly one hour and only lost $25.00 while managing to tip the boys $35.00!!!

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I then went to play Roulette with $20.00 after asking Joel to lower the Table Min. to $5.00 instead of Ten. I put $1.00 on Black-29 and $1.00 Painting each of the corners around Black-29. The first spin came Red-30, so I ended up with $18 - $3 = $15 ---+$13 on that. There was a young guy playing at this time who must not have liked me very much but didn't say anything, after glaring at me for a few seconds, he put $105 on Red and $5.00 on Eight different individual numbers...all Red. I made my same bet.

Black-31

Me: Okay, got a little piece of that. (I then remembered how he bet as I watched the Croupier scooping every single bet he made off the table) oh, shit, sorry about that.

He left the Table. The Croupier then put it in 36 twice and a row (which was three/five times) so I decided I would make my Black-29 Straight + Corners Bet as well as a straight individual number bet on 36 and whatever else the Croupier would spin most recently. I know it makes no difference mathematically, but you have to bet on something, so why not?

When it was all said and done, I ended up losing the $20.00, but it took me an hour to do it! I was toking the Croupier $10.00 for every winning individual bet, $1.00 per corner that he hit, and I told him I would tip him $20.00 if he put it in Black-29, but that never happened.

Either way, I kept my bet out on 36 and he hit that two more times. He then proceeded to have back-to-back Sevens at one point and then back-to-back Thirteens at one other point. Between those hits and my corners he ended up making $49, so that was cool.

Classy guy, too, he actually said to me after the third Individual Number hit that I had money on, (the Seven)

Croupier: You really don't have to give me any more. You've been more than generous, you tip better than the high-rollers.

Me: I'm playing for you, brother, not me. I'm going to Press it to $2 in and around Black-29 if you'll just put it in there for me. If it hits again after that, then I'll be done.

Croupier: You come play with me anytime! Let me switch balls and see if I can put it in Black-29 for you!


He couldn't, oh well.

I then proceeded to lose $20.00 on bullshit FireBall Keno betting $0.50/Card in which I NEVER had any Bonus Games and I NEVER ONCE had a profitable card...lol

I'm down $65 total, but then I saw one of those Bonus Time machines (discussed in another thread) between 8:00-9:00. I lost about $12.00 getting to the Bonus Game, but then went straight to Jukebox Jackpot and hit the Major Jackpot for $28.xx, so plus $16.

I'm down $49 total, and I came across a Quick Hits where the Progressives were:

5 Quick Hits: $27.xx
6 Quick Hits: $148.xx
7 Quick Hits: $299.xx

I hit for Bonus Games which resulted in a fair profit, nearly $100, then I hit the Six Quick Hits and then the 5 Quick Hits on the very next spin. (I always do one spin after hitting the Progressive, no idea why!)

I ended up with $272 on my ticket at that point which had me up about $223 total. I ended up playing it down to +$200 total on Video Keno and leaving. Friggin' Video Keno hated me the other night!
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Mission146
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December 31st, 2012 at 6:29:00 PM permalink
I want to reiterate that I was dice-setting just for the sake of appearance. I do not believe that I can influence the dice, and pursuant to WoO, Hard-Six would not even be the best set if dice influencing were possible. Also, my toss is incredibly wild and there is no telling where my dice will end up!
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AxiomOfChoice
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December 31st, 2012 at 6:33:31 PM permalink
I understand not wanting to make a place bet, but no come bets either?

I was playing last week and a lady was rolling.

I started with a $30 8.
It hit, press to $60
It hit, press to $90
It hit, press to $120
It hit, press to $150
It hit, press to $210
It hit, press to $270
It hit, press to $300
It hit, press to $360
It lost.

That is a total of $1230 of winning bets to win $1435, and a loss of $360 at the end. Total = +$1075. There were other bets in the middle as well, of course.
Mission146
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December 31st, 2012 at 6:39:55 PM permalink
I guess I probably could make Come Bets, AxiomofChoice, but I don't make those, either. I only make Line Bets and Field Bets, but I didn't even make any Field Bets the other night other than for the boys.
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100xOdds
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December 31st, 2012 at 6:46:50 PM permalink
5 Quick Hits: $27.xx
6 Quick Hits: $148.xx
7 Quick Hits: $299.xx

woah! All 3 are almost double the starting amount.

from the other thread, if either the 5QH or 6QH are a little more than double the start point, then it's +EV to play.
so if all 3 are almost double, then it's probably +EV to play?
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100xOdds
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December 31st, 2012 at 6:50:57 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I guess I probably could make Come Bets, AxiomofChoice, but I don't make those, either. I only make Line Bets and Field Bets, but I didn't even make any Field Bets the other night other than for the boys.



You make Field bets and are a mod?!
blastphemy! you're no deciple of the Wizard!

wait.. you also do Firebets?! burn this green colored name guy at the stake!
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Mission146
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December 31st, 2012 at 6:59:45 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

5 Quick Hits: $27.xx
6 Quick Hits: $148.xx
7 Quick Hits: $299.xx

woah! All 3 are almost double the starting amount.

from the other thread, if either the 5QH or 6QH are a little more than double the start point, then it's +EV to play.
so if all 3 are almost double, then it's probably +EV to play?



+ER by a good measure, actually.

Let's go ahead and ignore the Eight QH and Nine QH because I don't remember what they were (though there were something, of course) and I also don't remember the change specifically on the others, but I know the Six and Seven were above $148.5x and $299.5x respectively:

Five QuickHits: 1/230 or .00434782608

Six QuickHits: 1/1329 or .00075244544

Seven QuickHits 1/9327 or .00010721561

THUS

$12.00 * 1/230 = + 0.052173913043478265 ER

$73.50 * 1/1329 = + 0.05530474040632054 ER

AND

$149 * 1/9327 = + 0.015975125978342445 ER

That would total an additional 0.12345377942814124 or 12.345% in ER.

The Minimum Quick Hits Base Pay setting is 88.05%, so that combination would put you at over 100% ER at any Quick Hits machine on Earth. Again, I put the ones that I play at Wheeling Island on the 92.09% setting, based on my records, but cannot be absolutely sure.
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Mission146
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December 31st, 2012 at 7:04:28 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: Mission146

I guess I probably could make Come Bets, AxiomofChoice, but I don't make those, either. I only make Line Bets and Field Bets, but I didn't even make any Field Bets the other night other than for the boys.



You make Field bets and are a mod?!
blastphemy! you're no deciple of the Wizard!

wait.. you also do Firebets?! burn this green colored name guy at the stake!



LMAO!

Could you imagine a Six-Point FireBet hitting and not having anything on that? That'd be terrible. I can't help it, I'm a sucker for Progressives and Jackpots.

Trust me, 100x Odds, my overall slot play is far, far closer to 100% ER (on average) if not a little above 100% ER than my Table Games play will ever be. Except maybe Blackjack, but I don't really like playing Blackjack that much, unless it is a full table, bets are resolved too fast otherwise.

I only play the Field if I've been hitting it pretty well, though that makes no mathematical difference.
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December 31st, 2012 at 7:29:32 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I want to reiterate that I was dice-setting just for the sake of appearance. I do not believe that I can influence the dice, and pursuant to WoO, Hard-Six would not even be the best set if dice influencing were possible. Also, my toss is incredibly wild and there is no telling where my dice will end up!



Excellent Roll!!!

Can you fully describe the Dice Set you were using? You mentioned the "Hard 6" Dice Set so I'm assuming the Dice Set on top of both Die was (3/3); what was the Dice Set facing you (Left Die/Right Die)?

Thanks!

CF
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December 31st, 2012 at 7:33:11 PM permalink
Great story- this is my favorite part.....

Quote: Mission146

I established another point of 5 and immediately went back to my Hard-Six dice set...because it makes me look cool!

"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871

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