Best Craps game near Washington DC?
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Please list your favorite Casinos with Craps located within a 2.5 hour drive from Washington DC; Casinos close enough to do a day trip. Radius includes (WV,MD,DE).
-B
Perhaps you are aware that the 'Maryland Live' thing will be going by the 7th [10 PM the night before if you want to be in on the grand opening]. That will not be a real table, plus of course some other unknowns.
Quote: odiousgambitI also think Harrington is your best bet. Haven't run into anyone yet who liked Charles Town. We might hear from someone who goes to Dover.
Perhaps you are aware that the 'Maryland Live' thing will be going by the 7th [10 PM the night before if you want to be in on the grand opening]. That will not be a real table, plus of course some other unknowns.
I plan on checking out MD Live when I'm out there next week.
I plan on going to Harrington during the week (daytime) but it sounds like they only have 1 Craps table going during the day (I called a few times this week) and they only had 1 table going. What's the closest casino to Harrington with Craps? Just in case the table @ Harrington is too packed....I hate packed tables.
I went to Charles Town once last year. Great proximity to DC but table minimums are too high, 2x Odds, very smoky....not my kind of place.
My limited experience with Harrington is that one table during the week will be near empty at first and fills up for the afternoon. I have seen two tables going during the week, but something tells me they don't really have the dealers now to do it. Have no plans to ever go when the Bay Bridge could get backed up, so my experience is strictly weekday.
Quote: odiousgambityou could find yourself going to Atlantic City! certainly Dover.
My limited experience with Harrington is that one table during the week will be near empty at first and fills up for the afternoon. I have seen two tables going during the week, but something tells me they don't really have the dealers now to do it. Have no plans to ever go when the Bay Bridge could get backed up, so my experience is strictly weekday.
Atlantic City is too far for a day trip from Washington DC for me (Driving). Dover sounds like a good backup plan. Regarding the Bay Bridge; I have heard horror stories about it. My plan is to leave DC during the weekday around 6:45am, get to Harrington by 9:00AM (Craps opens up at 9am) and leave early afternoon to drive back down to DC to meet back up with my wife.
Any advice as to the times the Bay Bridge tends to back up with traffic?
Quote: hook3670Try one of the Philly casinos Sugarhouse, or Harrah's. Harrah's I know has a lot of tables but I do not know what kind of minimus or odds they have. Sugarhouse is smaller and may not have as many tables.
Thanks but those Philly casinos are about a 3 hour drive each way from Washington DC, I have about 5 hours each day to play. I want to make sure my time driving does not total more than my allotted time to play. May be coincidence but I tend to roll the dice better when I don't drive too far. Mental/Physical Fatigue?
I'll go to Harrington & Dover at least once. Maybe....Charles Town real early in the morning on another day....hard to turn down an hour drive to a Casino even though it sucks! I do like the Serve yourself Fountain Drinks @ Charles Town.
Quote: odiousgambitI see no problem with the Bay bridge for when you are going. And at 9 AM, the craps table will be empty or close to it, I would bet.
Thanks!
Quote: odiousgambitI also think Harrington is your best bet. Haven't run into anyone yet who liked Charles Town. We might hear from someone who goes to Dover.
Perhaps you are aware that the 'Maryland Live' thing will be going by the 7th [10 PM the night before if you want to be in on the grand opening]. That will not be a real table, plus of course some other unknowns.
the grand opening on June 6th is at 10pm?! WTF?
why did they decide 10pm?
i'll be there Fri June 8th. Hopefully they'll match rewards card levels with other Casinos. (I made GOLD in Resorts World by sweet talking a Casino Hostess.)
and yes, it's e-craps (touch screen everything, but the dice are real.)
Quote: 100xOdds
the grand opening on June 6th is at 10pm?! WTF?
why did they decide 10pm?
i'll be there Fri June 8th. Hopefully they'll match rewards card levels with other Casinos. (I made GOLD in Resorts World by sweet talking a Casino Hostess.)
and yes, it's e-craps (touch screen everything, but the dice are real.)
I'll be going to Maryland Live on Friday June 8th also. In your opinion, how steep is the learning curve of e-craps?
I have never played Electronic Craps in my life.
Quote: CrapsForeverI'll be going to Maryland Live on Friday June 8th also. In your opinion, how steep is the learning curve of e-craps?
I have never played Electronic Craps in my life.
depends.. and it has nothing to do w/e-craps.
do you own a smartphone/tablet/touchscreen device?
if yes, you're fine. :)
Quote: 100xOddsdepends.. and it has nothing to do w/e-craps.
do you own a smartphone/tablet/touchscreen device?
if yes, you're fine. :)
Yeah, I have an I-phone.
Two choices;
A) Harrington Raceway, Delaware: 1 table with Firebet, $5 Minimum, 10X Odds. Tables are usually PACKED!
Second Table with All, Tall, Small Sidebet: $10 Minimum, 10x Odds, Tables are usually PACKED!
B) Hollywood Casino, Charles Town, WV: 6 tables, No Firebet, $10 Minimum, 2X Odds. Tables are NOT Packed!
Though I love the Firebet and 10x Odds at Harrington. I HATE packed tables...my last trip there was HORRIFIC due to waiting forever to get the dice back.
I'll just head to Hollywood Casino, WV early in the morning.
That you can dig Charles Town surprises me. Things perhaps have changed and I *defiinitely* don't hang out there.
Quote: odiousgambitSounds like I need to catch up with the Craps scene in Harrington, I am not used to seeing packed tables unless it is midday or later and for some reason only one table is open. Things perhaps have changed and I don't exactly hang out there.
That you can dig Charles Town surprises me. Things perhaps have changed and I *defiinitely* don't hang out there.
Went to Harrington early in the morning on consecutive weekdays ..tables opened up on @ 9am. Both days...only the $10 All/Small/Tall table was open. Around 10am, $5 Firebet table opened up. Both days, tables were PACKED and unpleasant to play. Dealers were making lots of mistakes....seems like most of them are still learning how to deal the game.
Went to Hollywood Casino, Charles Town, WV on a Saturday morning, tables were not packed and the flow of the game was decent. Dealers were efficient.
Quote: CrapsForeverWent to Harrington early in the morning on consecutive weekdays ..tables opened up on @ 9am. Both days...only the $10 All/Small/Tall table was open. Around 10am, $5 Firebet table opened up. Both days, tables were PACKED and unpleasant to play. Dealers were making lots of mistakes....seems like most of them are still learning how to deal the game.
Went to Hollywood Casino, Charles Town, WV on a Saturday morning, tables were not packed and the flow of the game was decent. Dealers were efficient.
Plan to be there at Harrington tomorrow, so we'll compare notes. Regarding rookie dealers, I get this feeling Harrington is a training ground.
Prior experience [and other reports] at Charles Town was that you had to wait till noon [weekdays] for a Craps table to open and they would then be packed. A Suit ticked me off with a needless bitch-slap when I asked a question, and only action they got from me the one time I was there [too early] was the cup of coffee I bought. Thankfully I hadn't made a special trip. More dealers trained now? I Wonder what times of day they have the tables running now?
Quote: odiousgambitPrior experience [and other reports] at Charles Town was that you had to wait till noon [weekdays] for a Craps table to open and they would then be packed. A Suit ticked me off with a needless bitch-slap when I asked a question, and only action they got from me the one time I was there [too early] was the cup of coffee I bought. Thankfully I hadn't made a special trip. More dealers trained now? I Wonder what times of day they have the tables running now?
Shocker that a Hollywood Casino would treat you that way.
Quote: FrGambleAnyway, could someone tell me what an All/Small/Tall table means?
I'm guessing that means those bets are outlined on the felt. If I remember I'll try to check it out today [in case we don't get a reply]
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/#all
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/#smalltall
Is the All/Small/Tall one wager or three? WoO lists the Small/Tall as separate from All, is this the case?
Quote: 98Clubs@ Fr Gamble
Is the All/Small/Tall one wager or three? WoO lists the Small/Tall as separate from All, is this the case?
I'm not @Fr Gamble but the Small/Tall/All is 3 seperate bets.
From my personal experience playing the Small/Tall/All bet at Harrington a couple weeks ago; I'm not a fan of the bet. Though it can be highly lucrative...the bet distracted me from the actual Craps game. When I was rolling the dice; several times I was one number away from completing the Small/Tall bet and instead of "focusing" on trying to make the established Point, the whole table is screaming at you to make the final Small/Tall bet to complete the 35:1 odds bet. I found that it took me away from my regular focus of trying to make points.
A few times after being one point away from completing the Small/Tall Bet, I took down all my bets and "layed the final Small/Tall #" to guarantee a profit (Very under-rated strategy). Example...I had a $5 bet on the Tall bet and I needed an "8" to get paid $175 for my $5 bet, I took down all my bets (Except Pass Line) and "layed the 8" for $90...giving me a guaranteed $75 minus Vig profit if I 7'ed out or $85 profit ($175 Tall payout minus $90 lay on 8) if I made the 8. I did this several times throughout my session...then I started getting "confused" on what my goal was. Too much different action on the table for me.
Just my two cents....
C-Forever, the Harrington tables weren't crowded! I was by myself at first and never was there more than 4 at the table, and not that till close to 11 AM. I asked about that and they guessed you ran into Jeff Foxworthy showing and with Memorial Day in the same week [?], the place had been hopping.
Regarding the Small/Tall/All, not marked on the felt that I could see. I forgot to ask about it. One table had "Crapless Craps" on the felt, also forgot to ask about that. The one table that opened was normally marked but had spots for the fire bet. Another not open had a spot for hop bets [edits].
Check out the blog later, hope to get to it by Friday evening.
Quote: odiousgambitJust back from Harrington and Maryland Live and will blog about it.
C-Forever, the Harrington tables weren't crowded! I was by myself at first and never was there more than 4 at the table, and not that till close to 11 AM. I asked about that and they guessed you ran into Jeff Foxworthy showing and with Memorial Day in the same week [?], the place had been hopping.
Regarding the Small/Tall/All, not marked on the felt that I could see. I forgot to ask about it. One table had "Crapless Craps" on the felt, also forgot to ask about that. The one table that opened was normally marked but had spots for the fire bet. Another not open had a spot for hop bets [edits].
Check out the blog later, hope to get to it by Friday evening.
Damn! I wish I would have just gone to Harrington yesterday; Hollywood Casino, WV was a slaughterhouse on the craps table for me on Thursday. I was at Harrington during the June 7 weekend....which was after Memorial Day weekend so I'm not sure why it was so packed when I went there the last time.
I'll be heading to Harrington with a friend later this afternoon; I need a change of scenery after yesterday's debacle at Charles Town!
Quote: odiousgambitJust back from Harrington and Maryland Live and will blog about it.
Check out the blog later, hope to get to it by Friday evening.
provide link pls when you've written it :)
Quote: 100xOddsprovide link pls when you've written it :)
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/odiousgambit/blog/#post696
Quote: odiousgambithttps://wizardofvegas.com/member/odiousgambit/blog/#post696
thx.
i play for fun. if i'm driving an hr each way, i'm going to stay at least an hr and enjoy myself.
thus limiting myself to 20bets playing Dark (even at 10x odds) isnt for me.
cant wait for MAryland Live report. Thats the closest casino to me w/e-craps.
(but nyc's casino is my fave e-craps casino basically because of the higher limits. it's not fun when u cant press any more on a long run.)
Quote: odiousgambitJust back from Harrington and Maryland Live and will blog about it.
Regarding the Small/Tall/All, not marked on the felt that I could see. I forgot to ask about it.
I was supposed to go to Harrington on Friday. I called the Casino first before heading there and was told they removed the All/Small/Tall bet because they were paying out too much! I'm not surprised about this turn of events.
The first time I went to Harrington...I met a craps player who the dealers confirmed comes to the casino every morning and makes $6,000 PROFIT on the All/Small/Tall Bet. Apparently he had made the casino his own personal ATM and they got tired of it.
Quote: CrapsForeverI was supposed to go to Harrington on Friday. I called the Casino first before heading there and was told they removed the All/Small/Tall bet because they were paying out too much! I'm not surprised about this turn of events.
The first time I went to Harrington...I met a craps player who the dealers confirmed comes to the casino every morning and makes $6,000 PROFIT on the All/Small/Tall Bet. Apparently he had made the casino his own personal ATM and they got tired of it.
This is really stupid on their part, assuming they weren't pulling your leg. They should have hoped people would come from far and wide to also try to make these bets their personal ATM against a 7+ HE. In the meantime just backroom this one guy, beat him up, take back their money, just kidding.
Quote: odiousgambitThis is really stupid on their part, assuming they weren't pulling your leg. They should have hoped people would come from far and wide to also try to make these bets their personal ATM against a 7+ HE. In the meantime just backroom this one guy, beat him up, take back their money, just kidding.
Not sure that a small casino can afford to lose money like that consistently to a player clearly out to "kill the golden goose". I was upset because the All/Small/Tall is supposed to be a $1 minimum bet but when I got there the first time, the minimum to bet on the All/Small/Tall bet was changed (IN PEN) to $5 minimum on each of the bet. I asked..."why the change to $5?" and the dealers pointed at the guy winning all their money and said "It's because of him". I feel they were trying to discourage players from playing it but the entire table only "focused" on hitting the All/Small/Tall bet, NOBODY cared about hitting points. It was a very unusual craps experience for me.
The guy who kept on winning bets $25 on all three categories and keeps betting it until he wins all 3 bets then he leaves for the day.
Small = $25 bet on 35:1 = $875
Tall = $25 bet on 35:1 = $875
All = $25 bet on 175:1 = $6,125
Total winnings = $7,875
Obviously, he doesn't care too much about the "House Edge" on that game.
Quote: CrapsForeverNot sure that a small casino can afford to lose money like that consistently to a player clearly out to "kill the golden goose".
If they were worried about the variance, shame on them. What is the quote, the last thing a casino wants to do is gamble? Another example of this? I had started to think that it was a myth a Casino worries about variance; they shouldnt, send all these people back to Casino school.
Quote:I asked..."why the change to $5?" and the dealers pointed at the guy winning all their money and said "It's because of him". I feel they were trying to discourage players from playing it but the entire table only "focused" on hitting the All/Small/Tall bet, NOBODY cared about hitting points. It was a very unusual craps experience for me.
But increasing the minimum, what's that for? Man, I'm still thinking the Casino should have been thrilled with all the action, and hoped the wins meant good publicity, bring it on!
Quote:The guy who kept on winning bets $25 on all three categories and keeps betting it until he wins all 3 bets then he leaves for the day.
Small = $25 bet on 35:1 = $875
Tall = $25 bet on 35:1 = $875
All = $25 bet on 175:1 = $6,125
Total winnings = $7,875
Obviously, he doesn't care too much about the "House Edge" on that game.
Well, I trust you know that such a system, any system for that matter, will not beat the HE. If the Casino couldn't have faith in that... geez. Now, I could see making the max bet $1000 [or less?]if they were all aflutter about "bad days".
Quote: odiousgambit
Well, I trust you know that such a system, any system for that matter, will not beat the HE. If the Casino couldn't have faith in that... geez. Now, I could see making the max bet $1000 [or less?]if they were all aflutter about "bad days".
"Bad Days" might have actually been "Bad Weeks" or "Bad Months". If a small casino keeps losing loads of money on a gimmick bet....at what point do you pull the plug on it or do you keep waiting for variance to kick in?
I would love to know how much they lost entirely! If they were making a profit on the game, the would not have pulled it. Also, when you factor in the "Royalty Fees" to pay the maker of the All/Small/Tall bet...who knows how much they are losing.
No casino in Atlantic City or Pennsylvania (to my knowledge) offers the All/Tall/Small bet, there has to be a reason for that...
Quote: CrapsForeverNo casino in Atlantic City or Pennsylvania (to my knowledge) offers the All/Tall/Small bet, there has to be a reason for that...
Hmmmm. A real mystery, as you saw with your own eyes plenty of people wanting the action.
I have made it to the "big three" in the area - MD live, Charlestown and Harrington and can say without a doubt Harrington is the best place to be for the best game. My only issue is that the drive for anyone in Northern Virginia (me) or the District might be a little too long. Over 2 hours compared to 1:15 for Charlestown and :10-:40 (in DC suburbs) for MD live. Plus there's a required toll, when going to Charlestown going through Frederick, MD doesn't add much time. My quick analysis:
Charlestown: 2x odds is insulting, period. No side bets. Nothing to complain about the dealers, nothing to rave.
MD live: 3,4,5x is fine, e-craps isn't as fun though. No side bets. (Pending April when tables move in)
Harrington: 10x odds. Firebet only. Great dealers, a few newbies but the veterans look out for them.
All with $10 minimums on Saturday afternoons (when I like to go). Plus, Charlestown and Harrington charge the vig on buy bets when placing the bet. MD Live charges it on the win. The disappointing thing about MD Live is that since it's on a computer, you get an exact 5% taken out compared to the other two that allow you to go higher for $1 (for reasons of variance, I never went above $25).
All in all, I really have a problem with the length of drive to Harrington. I find it too far to be a "local" casino and would rather go to AC for the weekend. On the other hand, I'll have a tough time going to MD Live and Charlestown knowing that Harrington is just an extra hour away. Give and take I suppose.
And the necessary portion... I won $350 and developed a new strategy for "high odds" games. Start with 5x odds and $12 on the 6/8. On winning the 6/8's press your odds bet up to 10x. It's a fun, high variance, way to play.
Quote: ahiromuwithout a doubt Harrington is the best place to be for the best game. My only issue is that the drive for anyone in Northern Virginia (me) or the District might be a little too long.
I'll concur with that.
I'm thinking Charlestown is going to have to cave on the 2X odds once the Maryland tables really start to hurt them there. A tsumami is coming but from any news we are getting you wouldnt know it.
Harrington is comping me pretty well lately, which *does* make me think Maryland is worrying them. Either that or I have someone to thank for how I am being rated as opposed to in the past.
Quote: odiousgambitI'm thinking Charlestown is going to have to cave on the 2X odds once the Maryland tables really start to hurt them there. A tsumami is coming but from any news we are getting you wouldnt know it.
Yeah it really would be interesting to see what the discussions are at the management level at Charlestown. When MD Live (and the future National Harbor) casinos open up I don't see why any table game or slot player would go up there.
Maybe you can answer this question since you get comps from Harrington. There was a line of about 60-80 people for the buffet yesterday from about 3pm to 5pm and it never died down. Did I miss out on something amazing?
Quote: ahiromuDid I miss out on something amazing?
Well, I don't know what others are getting in comps, but there is no way I could have impressed them with my play. Indeed no upgrades into gold or platinum or whatever they call it there has come my way. For the last couple of months, though, I have received $30 in match play coupons [now good on a bunch of stuff], a free ace coupon that is good for a bet up to $100, free breakfast buffet certain days, and $50 to blow in any of the restaurants anytime.
The coupons and the free ace alone are worth approximately $65 dollars, nothing guaranteed of course. The value of that may not materialize for a particular player but it is pretty real to the casino I think. The value exceeds my theoretical losses considerably, frankly. If there was a long line for the buffet on a Sunday I'd guess that is folks cashing in on restaurant comps for whatever amounts are being dangled at them. I'd have to guess most people get rated at better action and the average guy *could* be getting more comp money to blow than I've seen.
What should you expect? I dunno. For months I got next to nothing from these folks, and rightly so - didnt have it coming. They are waking up to Maryland maybe, and could be locals don't get the same deals. Or maybe I just lucked into a short winter promotional thing that is destined to die. There's also a good chance someone in charge has decided to go this route to answer Maryland and has gone a little crazy. Soon enough someone else will crunch the numbers and if they can't take the crunching, that'll be the end of it. Pretty sure I saw this happen with Maryland Live, and I guess there are lots of stories out there like Mohegan Sun's 'triple down' promotion that hasn't been seen since.
I have even pondered whether it is possible I was by mistake put into a certain list of people to get offers .
I'll be at Harrington tomorrow. Make hay while the sun shines, we AP's say. [that's a joke sure enough]
Quote: teddysLet me revive this thread. Anybody played the new live games at Perryville, Horseshoe Baltimore, Rocky Gap, or MD Live?
md live:
$25 min/10x odds (might be $15min now that horseshoe opened)
field = double 12 :(
balt horseshoe:
$15min, 100x odds (yes, 1 0 0 x)
forgot what the Field 12 paid
both sites have e-craps with lower minimums and 3/4/5x odds
field = triple 12 for both
Quote: 100xOddsmd live:
$25 min/10x odds (might be $15min now that horseshoe opened)
field = double 12 :(
balt horseshoe:
$15min, 100x odds (yes, 1 0 0 x)
forgot what the Field 12 paid
both sites have e-craps with lower minimums and 3/4/5x odds
field = triple 12 for both
I blogged about recent Horseshoe Baltimore, and it was indeed 100x odds and the min $15; I can confirm the above for MD-Live, but never played at a table there [or ever darkened the doorstep at Perryville].
You will find lower minimums and a nice atmosphere at a small little place made to look bigger with mirrors at Rocky Gap. Craps was $5 and 3x4x5x the two times I was there, and I would bet that would be what you would encounter as well, just about any time. The video poker has so-so paytables. Most people seem to come away liking the place but maybe feeling bugged about so little going on.
Glad to see you already know Charles Town WV deserves none of our action.
