How would you have played this...
April 12th, 2012 at 9:33:31 PM
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So more than once... I have played the top games recommended in CBJN. Numerous times I have ran into some quite good counters. They notice me but scratch there heads about why I am winning so much so fast, (usual counter take is 3-5 units and hour while I am pulling 20-30 units an hour).
I count yes, but I have been playing blackjack with my family since I was born pretty much. So my bs deviations are based on about 20 years of blackjack experience not math.
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Anyways, I was playing a station in vegas the other day and I noticed that a certain blackjack author was there. I wanted to walk up to him and start talk basic strategy. Maybe get some tips. Then I thought that I am most likely pulling more units an hour than he was. Then I did what I always do after I scope a playable game. I noticed the pit crew crawling all over supposed author. So I sit down and play be cordial and humerous and act like I dont know him. He said something to me and I, being the constant blackjack player and Wizard of vegas visitor, said some dogs are named tarmadge. He said ohhhhh you saw that guys post off of WOV too.
I guess he came on here and read the same story I did.
Anyways how would you all have played out this certain situation. Would you have gotten goo goo eyed about a blackjack celebrity playing at your table caused a scene, asked for his autograph, pestered him for perfect play while not being confident in how you were taught. Or been like me treat him like all other god fearing people, be cordial and humorous for the sake of his cover and yours.
I count yes, but I have been playing blackjack with my family since I was born pretty much. So my bs deviations are based on about 20 years of blackjack experience not math.
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Anyways, I was playing a station in vegas the other day and I noticed that a certain blackjack author was there. I wanted to walk up to him and start talk basic strategy. Maybe get some tips. Then I thought that I am most likely pulling more units an hour than he was. Then I did what I always do after I scope a playable game. I noticed the pit crew crawling all over supposed author. So I sit down and play be cordial and humerous and act like I dont know him. He said something to me and I, being the constant blackjack player and Wizard of vegas visitor, said some dogs are named tarmadge. He said ohhhhh you saw that guys post off of WOV too.
I guess he came on here and read the same story I did.
Anyways how would you all have played out this certain situation. Would you have gotten goo goo eyed about a blackjack celebrity playing at your table caused a scene, asked for his autograph, pestered him for perfect play while not being confident in how you were taught. Or been like me treat him like all other god fearing people, be cordial and humorous for the sake of his cover and yours.
April 12th, 2012 at 10:03:41 PM
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You play against the dealer not other players. You talk to the dealer, not other players.
April 12th, 2012 at 11:03:03 PM
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You talk to the dealer, not other players.
In most cases, yes, but a certain amount of "table banter" is ok isn't it ?
As far as getting "googly-eyed" at an author or anyone no. Im not impressed by star athletes, movie stars, politicians, authors or anyone else for the most part. Want to impress me? Grab an M16 rifle, 3 buddies and go stand watch for 12 hours.
Maybe Im jaded, but I could care less about anyone famous. Maybe its the business I am in, I see them all the time. I just don't care. They are no more important to me than the average joe off the street. Ive cooked for 4star generals and admirals. Ive cooked for senators and Sargent Majors. Ive over cooked a burger for Joe Montana. Ive shucked oysters for Governors. Whooopie! None of it means crap to me. Its my job, its what I do.
I doubt you are blowing any authors cover. If they wrote a book on the game and it was published, Im sure the fellas in the casino know who they are. Really want to get to know them? Ask em to have a beer with you and chat.
In most cases, yes, but a certain amount of "table banter" is ok isn't it ?
As far as getting "googly-eyed" at an author or anyone no. Im not impressed by star athletes, movie stars, politicians, authors or anyone else for the most part. Want to impress me? Grab an M16 rifle, 3 buddies and go stand watch for 12 hours.
Maybe Im jaded, but I could care less about anyone famous. Maybe its the business I am in, I see them all the time. I just don't care. They are no more important to me than the average joe off the street. Ive cooked for 4star generals and admirals. Ive cooked for senators and Sargent Majors. Ive over cooked a burger for Joe Montana. Ive shucked oysters for Governors. Whooopie! None of it means crap to me. Its my job, its what I do.
I doubt you are blowing any authors cover. If they wrote a book on the game and it was published, Im sure the fellas in the casino know who they are. Really want to get to know them? Ask em to have a beer with you and chat.
April 12th, 2012 at 11:28:28 PM
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That is pretty much exactly what I did.
And the googl-eyed comment, trust me I grew up in KELLY YOUTH SERVICES. Its a place that takes in "problem kids and they live with former NFL and Super bowl Player Joe Kelly. I have dined with the whole bengals team, the whole reds team. I have had Thanksgiving over at Barry Larkins House who is right next door from Carmen Electra in Cincinnati off of galbrith road. I have had smoke sessions with rappers and always been around famous singers way before I lived with Joe Kelly. And that is just the tip of the ice berg. They dont really impress me. They are all nerds pretty much. Just wanna talk about one thing. Which is why I did not make a big deal when I saw the blackjack author I saw.
And I never said anything about wanting to impress you, if you read what I wrote you would know that. My question was How would you have played such a situation? Most people would have sacrificed their cover and the authors cover without thinking it through.
Also did not want to get to know them. Like I said celebrities dont impress me I was just lookin to see what other people would do and have done. Im sure a few people on this site have been in the same situation.
And the googl-eyed comment, trust me I grew up in KELLY YOUTH SERVICES. Its a place that takes in "problem kids and they live with former NFL and Super bowl Player Joe Kelly. I have dined with the whole bengals team, the whole reds team. I have had Thanksgiving over at Barry Larkins House who is right next door from Carmen Electra in Cincinnati off of galbrith road. I have had smoke sessions with rappers and always been around famous singers way before I lived with Joe Kelly. And that is just the tip of the ice berg. They dont really impress me. They are all nerds pretty much. Just wanna talk about one thing. Which is why I did not make a big deal when I saw the blackjack author I saw.
And I never said anything about wanting to impress you, if you read what I wrote you would know that. My question was How would you have played such a situation? Most people would have sacrificed their cover and the authors cover without thinking it through.
Also did not want to get to know them. Like I said celebrities dont impress me I was just lookin to see what other people would do and have done. Im sure a few people on this site have been in the same situation.
April 13th, 2012 at 5:03:29 AM
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Since the pit crew were making a fuss over him, his cover was already blown.
When he responded positively to your "some dogs are named Talmadge" comment, it was kind of like him acknowledging that you knew who he was and wasn't making a fuss, and that he appreciated it. That should have opened the door. You could have extended your hand and introduced yourself - which is what I would have done.
But there's nothing wrong with ignoring him.
When he responded positively to your "some dogs are named Talmadge" comment, it was kind of like him acknowledging that you knew who he was and wasn't making a fuss, and that he appreciated it. That should have opened the door. You could have extended your hand and introduced yourself - which is what I would have done.
But there's nothing wrong with ignoring him.
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April 13th, 2012 at 5:36:54 AM
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April 13th, 2012 at 5:55:37 AM
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COVER- Yes, that I know. but there is such thing as pushing their limits. Something that I do not like doing.
TALMADGE COMMENT- We talked, had a couple of laughs shared with the only other person we LET stay at the table. lol. I guess deep down I was only worried about my cover. {:)
And I did not completely ignore him. We had a couple of good laughs. One rib busting laugh as he was telling me about a hard 18 that Stanford Wong insisted on doubling during his first time in a certain station casino known for letting known counters count if they dont get greedy. Which I have done once with success and no tracking. ;) All in all one of my more enj0yable moments at the tables. He was an all shits and giggles while I was trying to be serious and watchin them slugs.
TALMADGE COMMENT- We talked, had a couple of laughs shared with the only other person we LET stay at the table. lol. I guess deep down I was only worried about my cover. {:)
And I did not completely ignore him. We had a couple of good laughs. One rib busting laugh as he was telling me about a hard 18 that Stanford Wong insisted on doubling during his first time in a certain station casino known for letting known counters count if they dont get greedy. Which I have done once with success and no tracking. ;) All in all one of my more enj0yable moments at the tables. He was an all shits and giggles while I was trying to be serious and watchin them slugs.
April 13th, 2012 at 8:52:15 AM
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Not sure how I would have "played" it exactly, but one thing is for sure ...
I would not have told him (or anyone else actually) that.
Quote: i0r0retardodSo my bs deviations are based on about 20 years of blackjack experience not math.
I would not have told him (or anyone else actually) that.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
April 13th, 2012 at 8:55:55 AM
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i would be interested to know what deviations from basic strategy / counting strategy
your 20 years experience have led you to make...
your 20 years experience have led you to make...
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 13th, 2012 at 9:14:20 AM
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Quote: i0r0retardodSo more than once... I have played the top games recommended in CBJN. Numerous times I have ran into some quite good counters. They notice me but scratch there heads about why I am winning so much so fast, (usual counter take is 3-5 units and hour while I am pulling 20-30 units an hour).
I count yes, but I have been playing blackjack with my family since I was born pretty much. So my bs deviations are based on about 20 years of blackjack experience not math.
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Anyways, I was playing a station in vegas the other day and I noticed that a certain blackjack author was there. I wanted to walk up to him and start talk basic strategy. Maybe get some tips. Then I thought that I am most likely pulling more units an hour than he was. Then I did what I always do after I scope a playable game. I noticed the pit crew crawling all over supposed author. So I sit down and play be cordial and humerous and act like I dont know him. He said something to me and I, being the constant blackjack player and Wizard of vegas visitor, said some dogs are named tarmadge. He said ohhhhh you saw that guys post off of WOV too.
I guess he came on here and read the same story I did.
Anyways how would you all have played out this certain situation. Would you have gotten goo goo eyed about a blackjack celebrity playing at your table caused a scene, asked for his autograph, pestered him for perfect play while not being confident in how you were taught. Or been like me treat him like all other god fearing people, be cordial and humorous for the sake of his cover and yours.
I would have asked the author why he can't make 10 times more than the best counters in the world like you can.
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April 13th, 2012 at 3:14:45 PM
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lol. I did not.
April 13th, 2012 at 3:21:58 PM
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I would say close to 25% of my plays and bets. But I will not get into that because it is just going to start arguments.
When i started playing the first few months I lost so much from never playing in a casino environment. My only problems at the table really were because playing days in one casino, not eating for days and so on. So even though I was great I lost all my life savings within 5 months of me playing when I started. And that number is quite huge. I just now got that money back 4 months ago and finally above 10k profit. Casino environment when you first start is crazy.
When i started playing the first few months I lost so much from never playing in a casino environment. My only problems at the table really were because playing days in one casino, not eating for days and so on. So even though I was great I lost all my life savings within 5 months of me playing when I started. And that number is quite huge. I just now got that money back 4 months ago and finally above 10k profit. Casino environment when you first start is crazy.
April 13th, 2012 at 10:20:35 PM
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Quote: i0r0retardodI would say close to 25% of my plays and bets. But I will not get into that because it is just going to start arguments.
so? we thrive on conflict!
if you are going to make unsubstantiated claims about your skills people are going to demand examples.
if not provided, you will be dismissed.
your choice... :-/
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 14th, 2012 at 5:02:00 PM
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Well, im being called out. Why dont I flip that around on you.
I propose a live webcam game, of course with a couple of basic strategy hi-lo by the book players as a base line to show just how good I am. Rules dont matter, rules have not mattered to me in a long time. I play hand shuffled games 90% of the time so that is a must.
So how bout it, live webcam blackjack game between us. Set bet spread 1-4. 7k BR.
If you refuse, YOUR snide comments will be dismissed.
YOUR CHOICE... :-/
I cant make another post today because I just joined and in the first 30 days you can only make as much posts as days you have been a member. So I would have to inbox you my response if you decide to step up.
I propose a live webcam game, of course with a couple of basic strategy hi-lo by the book players as a base line to show just how good I am. Rules dont matter, rules have not mattered to me in a long time. I play hand shuffled games 90% of the time so that is a must.
So how bout it, live webcam blackjack game between us. Set bet spread 1-4. 7k BR.
If you refuse, YOUR snide comments will be dismissed.
YOUR CHOICE... :-/
I cant make another post today because I just joined and in the first 30 days you can only make as much posts as days you have been a member. So I would have to inbox you my response if you decide to step up.
April 14th, 2012 at 5:10:55 PM
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why don't you just answer the question?
as to your challenge
i don't need other players or a webcam.
i prefer to play alone or with one other player.
if you want to show me your skills in person i will be at mohegan sun CT April 16 to 18.
i also play in eastern PA and AC.
as to your challenge
i don't need other players or a webcam.
i prefer to play alone or with one other player.
if you want to show me your skills in person i will be at mohegan sun CT April 16 to 18.
i also play in eastern PA and AC.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 14th, 2012 at 5:23:47 PM
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Im west coast for the month Washington area. Would love to meet up one day though. I ll hit you up if I am ever in the area man take er easy. Lets hope the post goes thru.
April 14th, 2012 at 8:41:56 PM
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that would be great.
let me remind you that i never claimed i would do better than you.
i merely asked you to provide instances where your play deviated from BS or counting.
if you could give one example, i think it would go a long way toward establishing some credibility to your claims.
just sayin'...
let me remind you that i never claimed i would do better than you.
i merely asked you to provide instances where your play deviated from BS or counting.
if you could give one example, i think it would go a long way toward establishing some credibility to your claims.
just sayin'...
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 14th, 2012 at 8:58:34 PM
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I guess one of my last plays would be not 1 or 2 2-5s in 4 or 5 rounds at a crowded table. I would of course raise the bet reguardless of the count and play accordingly. I was playing 3 hands with 3 other players at the table. I got a 13 dd for 19, got a 14 doubled for 19 got a 17 and doubled for 21. Not that hard to pull something like that out my ass. I do the same thing for other cards I have not seen for a while.
I was observing a table while playing at another once. Didn't see but 1 ace in a little less than half of a six deck shoe. I jumped up switched tables and played three hands two for blackjack on hit soft for 15 hit again for hard 18.
I just watch for groups of cards close together in value not to be played. You have heard ohhh the deck is over due... In cases such as mine the deck is deplited enough that I KNOW FOR A FACT that the cards are well over due and should be spitting out like candy. I have to use groups of cards close in value instead of single cards unless it is an ace or it just wont work too good. Although I have had some big successes like that. Its all about the law of large numbers having to revert back to normal. Thinking like this if you have the time and patience to back count or the skills to impliment this in actual play all while keeping a running count with all the calculations is the best way I have made money at the game.
That is the truth and like I said I dont mind giving proof to my pudding through cam games. Some people dont believe it till they see it. Make that all people with a mind on them. Its a natural thing to not believe and it is a very useful way to live. I totally understand any doubts you would have.
But it just seemed like you said put up or shut up so I thought the best way would be to actually show you with action instead of typing it out.
I was observing a table while playing at another once. Didn't see but 1 ace in a little less than half of a six deck shoe. I jumped up switched tables and played three hands two for blackjack on hit soft for 15 hit again for hard 18.
I just watch for groups of cards close together in value not to be played. You have heard ohhh the deck is over due... In cases such as mine the deck is deplited enough that I KNOW FOR A FACT that the cards are well over due and should be spitting out like candy. I have to use groups of cards close in value instead of single cards unless it is an ace or it just wont work too good. Although I have had some big successes like that. Its all about the law of large numbers having to revert back to normal. Thinking like this if you have the time and patience to back count or the skills to impliment this in actual play all while keeping a running count with all the calculations is the best way I have made money at the game.
That is the truth and like I said I dont mind giving proof to my pudding through cam games. Some people dont believe it till they see it. Make that all people with a mind on them. Its a natural thing to not believe and it is a very useful way to live. I totally understand any doubts you would have.
But it just seemed like you said put up or shut up so I thought the best way would be to actually show you with action instead of typing it out.
April 14th, 2012 at 9:24:21 PM
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if you go 4 or 5 rounds at a crowded table without seeing many low cards,
the count is going to be very negative. you say you "would of course raise the bet..".
you must know that this is the worst time for you to continue betting the high spread.
you did not indicate what the dealer had in those circumstances but it would seem
that the fact you have done well in these circumstances is more attributable to luck than to your skill at counting or your observations.
most counters play by the idea that a high count is favorable to the player and a low count to the dealer.
i am glad you have had success at the tables, but i think you might run into trouble if you rely on instinct too much.
best of luck though!
the count is going to be very negative. you say you "would of course raise the bet..".
you must know that this is the worst time for you to continue betting the high spread.
you did not indicate what the dealer had in those circumstances but it would seem
that the fact you have done well in these circumstances is more attributable to luck than to your skill at counting or your observations.
most counters play by the idea that a high count is favorable to the player and a low count to the dealer.
i am glad you have had success at the tables, but i think you might run into trouble if you rely on instinct too much.
best of luck though!
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 14th, 2012 at 9:44:17 PM
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Yes WITH A BIG CAPITOL I. Every five minutes I have the dealer insisting that I dont do this or that. After I been there a while that changes from you been pullin hands all night do what you want and I bet you win. :) Not to sound inflated or anything like that, but I am just that good that the dealers sit there and tell me to go for and double. The last night I played I had a big black guy why I found out was a drug dealer, the guy wouldn't shut up you cant beat him you cant beat him hes unstoppaable. I am being sincere. I rarely flat bet negative counts. If I have a better understanding of how the cards play out than anybody understands Im not goin to not use it just because it dont make sense to other people. If it works for me great. Do I advise other people to play like me. No. Which is why I did not want to get into it exactly. I would love to play with someone with reputation as a great counter on this site. It would give me credence. It kind of upsets me when people dont understand the simplicity of how I play. makes me sad even. Oh well I got to get to bed
April 14th, 2012 at 10:52:02 PM
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Alright Alright settle down. Im located in WA. I can meet you at a casino i know of that has pretty favorable rules and observe your play. Table is 3-500 but your gonna have to buy me in for a hundred because im not gonna use my money so you can prove your point. Ill flate bet 3 bucks. 100 should last forever ill also return original amount if my out come is favorable. Keep in mind i believe in truth, If your full of it thats exactly what ill say.
April 14th, 2012 at 11:06:59 PM
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Im posted up at little chiefs for the next 2 hours then Im headed to the hotel to hit the hay. Can you be in spokan in the morning? I plan on leaving out for Kettle Falls to do some prospecting by 2 in the afternoon. Looks like a good spot to Highbank or dredge even. So wats up you around?
April 14th, 2012 at 11:47:40 PM
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no sir must be in the greater seattle area keep my travel to a minimum
April 15th, 2012 at 12:04:39 AM
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Alright, huh. Im going to be at EQ in two days. Im only going to try to contact you on wednesday one time. I dont have time to dilly dally. Sound good?
If I dont get back on its because I will be asleep. Washing up then coming back to check. If nothing ill check in morning.
If I dont get back on its because I will be asleep. Washing up then coming back to check. If nothing ill check in morning.
April 15th, 2012 at 1:17:35 AM
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Sir I thought it was you who were seeking validation for your style of play. It was you who claimed to be the messiah of blackjack. The burdon of proof rests upon you. As well as accomodating me with the time and location. EQ would not be out of range. However I have a job and a life, mid week is a no go unless its on the north end Tulalip, Angel of the winds etc...
April 15th, 2012 at 2:56:09 AM
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I understand. Im just like you cant afford to waste time. Hence I am not going to try to contact you more than one time. I meant no disrespect. I like you have a life and quite exciting ways to make money. It did read that way now that I re read my post. No disrespect intended we both have lives. There you go.
Back to the subject. I need a time on Tuesday morning. I mean you did say you had a job so the time is up too you. The place, if I remember angle of winds correctly, its been 7-8 months since my last trip there, has a buffet called The Watershed. I can met you there on my way to EQ. Time is up to you.
Again no disrespect intended. I like you have a life. lol Nothin but love rain
Back to the subject. I need a time on Tuesday morning. I mean you did say you had a job so the time is up too you. The place, if I remember angle of winds correctly, its been 7-8 months since my last trip there, has a buffet called The Watershed. I can met you there on my way to EQ. Time is up to you.
Again no disrespect intended. I like you have a life. lol Nothin but love rain
April 15th, 2012 at 4:22:15 AM
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Great thread!
i0r0retardod is 100% full of crap- and I don't believe the story; but it's entertaining.
If it's disrespectful to call BS, then it is what it is. I apologize.
i0r0retardod is 100% full of crap- and I don't believe the story; but it's entertaining.
If it's disrespectful to call BS, then it is what it is. I apologize.
"I don't have a gambling problem. I have a financial problem."
April 15th, 2012 at 4:24:37 AM
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Oh yes 100% percent bullshit. I offer you the same thing I offered wong bo. Why dont you put your cam where your mouth is and be my dealer on a live webcam so I can make you sad that you will never be as good as I am. And shut that smartass mouth of yours. You called me out I am now calling you out. If not then shut the hell up and stop wasting bandwidth.
April 15th, 2012 at 5:05:23 AM
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Ok now we are getting somewhere. We can hug it out later.Its my understanding that the whole idea here is to observe this unconventional play of yours that succeeds at a high level. there can only be so much i will be able to gather depending on your length of play. However if you play like your above posts indicate its certainly. Something I wanna see. As far as the time angel is close to me. So give me your ETA and ill make sure im there ahead of you. Im 6-2 200lbs ill wear a black and blue matco tools hat.There is a large fire place flanked by two chairs upon main door enterance. Ill be in one of those chairs. They have double deck min 10 all other BJ is dealt from a six deck shoe 3-500 but has good rules. double anything first two, DBAs, resplit 3 times including aces, deep pen, dealer stands on all seventeens. They actually have the game on there web site so you can warm up but the cards are tough to see for some reason.
April 15th, 2012 at 8:06:50 AM
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I have a couple of cents here.
if you play blackjack day in day out or for a very long time and you have a great memory, perhaps it is possible for you to go to an "instinctive" count, where instead of doing the traditional +1 for some cards and -1 for others, it's just possible to remember exactly what's played.
If you were a computer doing a count in blackjack, you'd know exactly how much of each demonination was left in the shoe and adjust play accordingly. For example, if you had a 17 and the dealer had a 10 up, but knew that the general count was close to even due to all of the 5s and 6s being played, but knew that there was an incredibly high proportions of 4s, 3s and 2s in the deck, what would you do?
There are probably a few people in this world with enough experience to just "realize" what's left in the shoe and play accordingly, better than a counter.
Or he could just be lucky.
if you play blackjack day in day out or for a very long time and you have a great memory, perhaps it is possible for you to go to an "instinctive" count, where instead of doing the traditional +1 for some cards and -1 for others, it's just possible to remember exactly what's played.
If you were a computer doing a count in blackjack, you'd know exactly how much of each demonination was left in the shoe and adjust play accordingly. For example, if you had a 17 and the dealer had a 10 up, but knew that the general count was close to even due to all of the 5s and 6s being played, but knew that there was an incredibly high proportions of 4s, 3s and 2s in the deck, what would you do?
There are probably a few people in this world with enough experience to just "realize" what's left in the shoe and play accordingly, better than a counter.
Or he could just be lucky.
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April 15th, 2012 at 11:50:08 AM
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Your cents make sense. I just want to witness it. If someone tells me they won the mega millions Im going to ask to see the ticket.
April 15th, 2012 at 12:02:24 PM
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Boymimbo
Spot on just about. But like in the movie 21 when he the professor says exactly how many of each valued card has been played I can do that with 4 counts. I have also been called mildly autistic for not being able to communicate what I think so I could be somewhat of a savant.
Spot on just about. But like in the movie 21 when he the professor says exactly how many of each valued card has been played I can do that with 4 counts. I have also been called mildly autistic for not being able to communicate what I think so I could be somewhat of a savant.
April 15th, 2012 at 12:03:49 PM
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Rainman
I understand. like I said I am willing to prove it. I just pulled up in kettle falls you should make your way down here. We can see the gold in the dredge sluice. :) $$$$
Gold update: Between 23 people we split a payday of close to 3 oz. A a little over 200 a piece for 6 hours. Would have done better, but we could only go down as far as 15 feet in the water.
I understand. like I said I am willing to prove it. I just pulled up in kettle falls you should make your way down here. We can see the gold in the dredge sluice. :) $$$$
Gold update: Between 23 people we split a payday of close to 3 oz. A a little over 200 a piece for 6 hours. Would have done better, but we could only go down as far as 15 feet in the water.
April 15th, 2012 at 2:20:16 PM
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There are a more than a few successful blackjack players within this forum; 1BB and LonesomeGambler are the first that come to mind. But they not alone.
But NONE of them sound like you. I call your story BS.
Seriously, all the experts are doing it wrong and you know something nobody else knows?
C'mon Man! We aren't THAT STUPID!
Again, it's an entertaining thread! Thank you.
But NONE of them sound like you. I call your story BS.
Seriously, all the experts are doing it wrong and you know something nobody else knows?
C'mon Man! We aren't THAT STUPID!
Again, it's an entertaining thread! Thank you.
"I don't have a gambling problem. I have a financial problem."
April 15th, 2012 at 6:24:04 PM
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Well thank you dan for your wonderful comment. Obviously your are that stupid though. You can have the same exact skills or close to it. Sit with 2 decks for 2 years until you can double your bank in just a few days. Oh thats right you have a life, I dont. I had the time to do that. In between prison and growing up with the game I uderstand things your or anybody else could or would never understand. HUR HUR HUR i CALL BS HUR HUR HUR
April 15th, 2012 at 9:27:26 PM
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Quote: i0r0retardodWell thank you dan for your wonderful comment. Obviously your are that stupid though. You can have the same exact skills or close to it. Sit with 2 decks for 2 years until you can double your bank in just a few days. Oh thats right you have a life, I dont. I had the time to do that. In between prison and growing up with the game I uderstand things your or anybody else could or would never understand. HUR HUR HUR i CALL BS HUR HUR HUR
I also sense that mr. retardod is a troll of the basest order and he's fabricating everything, but I'm not sure if I can pass up the chance to prove myself wrong. I may be in a position to meet up with him this week, if the details in this thread are correct. I know he's suspended, so I'll handle it via PM. You can still receive/send PMs while suspended, correct?
For the greater benefit of the forum. All I have to lose is gas money, and I need to run an errand down that way anyway. Oh and I guess money if I'm playing BJ too. If this does happen, I'll be using my bastardized Red 7/KISS III hybrid, although I'm out of practice. May only be able to vary the bet sizes, I think I've forgotten all of my index numbers. Especially if it's DD.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
April 15th, 2012 at 9:34:31 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsI also sense that mr. retardod is a troll of the basest order and he's fabricating everything, but I'm not sure if I can pass up the chance to prove myself wrong. I may be in a position to meet up with him this week, if the details in this thread are correct. I know he's suspended, so I'll handle it via PM. You can still receive/send PMs while suspended, correct?
For the greater benefit of the forum. All I have to lose is gas money, and I need to run an errand down that way anyway. Oh and I guess money if I'm playing BJ too. If this does happen, I'll be using my bastardized Red 7/KISS III hybrid, although I'm out of practice. May only be able to vary the bet sizes, I think I've forgotten all of my index numbers. Especially if it's DD.
i know it is tempting to see him play his method where he waits for the count to go NEGATIVE so he can RAISE his bet,
but i am not sure it is worth it.
he's an ex-con, make sure he doesn't see your bank or follow you out of the casino.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 15th, 2012 at 9:41:39 PM
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Quote: WongBoi know it is tempting to see him play his method where he waits for the count to go NEGATIVE so he can RAISE his bet,
but i am not sure it is worth it.
he's an ex-con, make sure he doesn't see your bank or follow you out of the casino.
Wong I think you mis-read that post. He was saying that in general he raises his bet with the count as per a "straight" counter, but when he notices that a certain card or grouping of cards is due (in his example, 2-5), he will vary his strategy to hit certain stiffs more often, even though he would have a minimal bet out there due to the excess of small cards (and hence a low count).
I could be wrong, but that is how I read it.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
April 15th, 2012 at 10:05:13 PM
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Quote: i0r0retardodI guess one of my last plays would be not 1 or 2 2-5s in 4 or 5 rounds at a crowded table. I would of course raise the bet reguardless of the count and play accordingly.
he said he raised the bet regardless of the count.
he then goes on to discuss the doubling on the stiffs.
you may be right that he was referring to the doubling as raising the bet.
misleading way of saying so though!
with hands like 13 and 14 you might reasonably expect to double and win
(though this would only get you to 17 or 18 at best & he does not mention dealer upcards),
but still you would only be doubling your small bet.
in the following posts i point out my skepticism, he responded by saying in his post:
"i rarely flat bet negative counts"
so here is what led me to believe that my impression was correct.
either way, i do not see any way this could lead you to be ahead 20-30 units an hour as he claimed.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 15th, 2012 at 10:20:30 PM
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Quote: WongBohe said he raised the bet regardless of the count.
he then goes on to discuss the doubling on the stiffs.
you may be right that he was referring to the doubling as raising the bet.
misleading way of saying so though!
with hands like 13 and 14 you might reasonably expect to double and win
(though this would only get you to 17 or 18 at best & he does not mention dealer upcards),
but still you would only be doubling your small bet.
in the following posts i point out my skepticism, he responded by saying in his post:
"i rarely flat bet negative counts"
so here is what led me to believe that my impression was correct.
either way, i do not see any way this could lead you to be ahead 20-30 units an hour as he claimed.
Hmmm now that I re-read that, you're absolutely right. He's raising his bet in anticipation of using his "knowledge" of the small-card-heavy deck to make BS deviations. I'm not Don Schlesinger or anything, but I feel like even for an idiot savant or autistic person, it would be hard to make money this way. Definitely not as much as he's claiming. Probs just a big ol' troll, or someone with just enough knowledge to make them dangerous who went on a crazy lucky streak.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
April 15th, 2012 at 10:25:33 PM
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I offerd to meet and observe his play for a reason. If he uses excuse after excuse why this meeting cannot happen, then. I believe hes answered the question of weather his claims are fraudulant.
April 15th, 2012 at 10:32:40 PM
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in the craps threads he said that he was new to craps. he also said this:
"I can influence the dice somewhat, but that is probably only on 4 tables nationwide. "
not sure if trolling or delusional.
"I can influence the dice somewhat, but that is probably only on 4 tables nationwide. "
not sure if trolling or delusional.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
April 15th, 2012 at 10:33:57 PM
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And no, from recently being banned, you can read privates, but you cannot respond to them. Send him an PM with your email address and he can contract you that way.
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You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
April 15th, 2012 at 10:50:08 PM
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Quote: boymimboAnd no, from recently being banned, you can read privates, but you cannot respond to them. Send him an PM with your email address and he can contract you that way.
Thanks!
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
April 15th, 2012 at 11:34:45 PM
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Sounds like he'd do even better on a spanish21 game...
April 16th, 2012 at 4:21:31 AM
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Quote: boymimboSend him an PM with your email address
That's an excellent way to deal with a troll! :)
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
April 16th, 2012 at 3:47:45 PM
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Quote: rainmanOk now we are getting somewhere. We can hug it out later.Its my understanding that the whole idea here is to observe this unconventional play of yours that succeeds at a high level. there can only be so much i will be able to gather depending on your length of play. However if you play like your above posts indicate its certainly. Something I wanna see. As far as the time angel is close to me. So give me your ETA and ill make sure im there ahead of you. Im 6-2 200lbs ill wear a black and blue matco tools hat.There is a large fire place flanked by two chairs upon main door enterance. Ill be in one of those chairs. They have double deck min 10 all other BJ is dealt from a six deck shoe 3-500 but has good rules. double anything first two, DBAs, resplit 3 times including aces, deep pen, dealer stands on all seventeens. They actually have the game on there web site so you can warm up but the cards are tough to see for some reason.
Due to the variety of unstable people frequenting casinos, I would never describe myself or arrange to meet anyone under these circumstances.
The "unique" style of iOrOretardod bears a very striking similarity to a poster on BlackjackInfo.com whose user name was ringlejames. He also used jsss01 and tbtot and was permanently banned after 2 months on the forum.
The site ATS was mentioned on WOV by iOrOretardod and stands for AboveTopSecret.com. Guess who's on that site? None other than ringlejames. He also shows up on MagicianSchool.com talking about blackjack.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
